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Subject: The Protoss vs. The Covenant
Poll: The Protoss vs. The Covenant  [closed]
The Protoss:  33%
(10 Votes)
The Covenant:  67%
(20 Votes)
Total Votes: 30

The battle between two alien races are at hand, and its The Protoss vs. The Covenant.

IMO, the Protoss would win because they have more experienced warriors, better ships, and awesome leaders.

  • 12.16.2010 9:06 PM PDT

Their tech is similar, but the covenant are far more numerous, therefore the covenant will by sheer number.

  • 12.16.2010 9:14 PM PDT

Depends on the battle, make it a skirmish becuase 1 Super carrier alone can take out an entire Human planet with over 1,000,000 seraphs and 17 million troops.

  • 12.16.2010 9:15 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Depends on the battle, make it a skirmish becuase 1 Super carrier alone can take out an entire Human planet with over 1,000,000 seraphs and 17 million troops.


But can a Super Carrier handle the intense fire and speed from Interceptors?

The Protoss Phoenix's can make short work of Seraphs.

[Edited on 12.16.2010 9:20 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2010 9:18 PM PDT

Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Depends on the battle, make it a skirmish becuase 1 Super carrier alone can take out an entire Human planet with over 1,000,000 seraphs and 17 million troops.


But can a Super Carrier handle the intense fire and speed from Interceptors?


Do you realize how big a Super Carrier is? Remember the massive Super Star Destroy from Return of the Jedi? It's Bigger, a total of 27km long, massive, with over 7 glassing projectors, It's unstoppable.

  • 12.16.2010 9:21 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Depends on the battle, make it a skirmish becuase 1 Super carrier alone can take out an entire Human planet with over 1,000,000 seraphs and 17 million troops.


But can a Super Carrier handle the intense fire and speed from Interceptors?


Do you realize how big a Super Carrier is? Remember the massive Super Star Destroy from Return of the Jedi? It's Bigger, a total of 27km long, massive, with over 7 glassing projectors, It's unstoppable.


And yet they were still destroyed.

  • 12.16.2010 9:25 PM PDT

Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Depends on the battle, make it a skirmish becuase 1 Super carrier alone can take out an entire Human planet with over 1,000,000 seraphs and 17 million troops.


But can a Super Carrier handle the intense fire and speed from Interceptors?


Do you realize how big a Super Carrier is? Remember the massive Super Star Destroy from Return of the Jedi? It's Bigger, a total of 27km long, massive, with over 7 glassing projectors, It's unstoppable.


And yet they were still destroyed.


They? Only 2 of the 15 in total were ever destroyed, One over Reach and other against Admiral Cole, In which one was destroyed by a Slipspace bomb and other was vaporized by a Super nova triggered by Cole, they were never destroyed by combat, they were too efficient, well protected and heavily armed, they have THOUSANDS of turrets, point defense lasers, and plasma torpedo launchers.

  • 12.16.2010 9:27 PM PDT

I think it would really depend on the type of battle.

  • 12.16.2010 9:31 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Depends on the battle, make it a skirmish becuase 1 Super carrier alone can take out an entire Human planet with over 1,000,000 seraphs and 17 million troops.


But can a Super Carrier handle the intense fire and speed from Interceptors?


Do you realize how big a Super Carrier is? Remember the massive Super Star Destroy from Return of the Jedi? It's Bigger, a total of 27km long, massive, with over 7 glassing projectors, It's unstoppable.


And yet they were still destroyed.


They? Only 2 of the 15 in total were ever destroyed, One over Reach and other against Admiral Cole, In which one was destroyed by a Slipspace bomb and other was vaporized by a Super nova triggered by Cole, they were never destroyed by combat, they were too efficient, well protected and heavily armed, they have THOUSANDS of turrets, point defense lasers, and plasma torpedo launchers.


Ok ok, Super Carriers can take out Protoss Carriers. Everything else the Protoss has beats the Covenant.

  • 12.16.2010 9:34 PM PDT

Well, what is the best thing the Protoss have? Covenant have thousands of Ships with Trillions of Ground forces that reproduce daily.

  • 12.16.2010 9:35 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Well, what is the best thing the Protoss have? Covenant have thousands of Ships with Trillions of Ground forces that reproduce daily.


I'm pretty sure Grunts would be scared of the Protoss ground Warriors. Protoss High Templars can use their Psionic Powers like Psionic Storm, not to mention they can merge into Archons.

Dark Templars are permanently cloaked and are great stealth warriors. Elites would be no match for Protoss Zealots and Stalkers. The Protoss use Warp Gates in their production structures to warp in units from their Homeworld.

  • 12.16.2010 9:39 PM PDT

Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Well, what is the best thing the Protoss have? Covenant have thousands of Ships with Trillions of Ground forces that reproduce daily.


I'm pretty sure Grunts would be scared of the Protoss ground Warriors. Protoss High Templars can use their Psionic Powers like Psionic Storm, not to mention they can merge into Archons.

Dark Templars are permanently cloaked and are great stealth warriors. Elites would be no match for Protoss Zealots and Stalkers. The Protoss use Warp Gates in their production structures to warp in units from their Homeworld.


Impressive I have to admit but Covenant aren't to be underestimated, you can't judge Covenant from the game, if you want to do that, put the game on Legendary with all Skulls on, there's a reason why Humanity is losing, Grunts and Jackals alone take out thousands of Humans with ease, Plasma is a very gruesome thing, 1 plasma blast from the pistol basically burns your arm off.

Elites on the other hand are much different, Over 7'5 tall with an energy shield that regenerates on command with 4 inch thick armor made by the Forerunner themselves, armed with a Plasma Daggar, Energy sword, 4 Plasma Grenades, a Plasma Pistol, and either a Plasma Rifle, Needler, or a Beam Rifle, the game really underestimated the reality of what is true in Halo.

Brutes would put up a great fight, 8'5 tall and never lose moral, they are beasts, once they go berserk they kill ANYTHING in their path no matter what, they even took down a few Hunters. Speaking of Hunters those would also give the Protoss a very hard time.

Lets put a little skirmish together, it is the outer rim of the galaxy on the Planet Onyx, the Protoss came from another galaxy and the Covenant notice them on the planet, they move their supercarrier in orbit and send thousands of Dropships down to the Protoss base on the planet, Now in reality the Supercarrier would simply just move over the camp and glass it but this is a battle.

The drop ships drop thousands of Elites, Brutes, Hunters, the works, along with their heavy vehicles such as Scarabs, Wraiths, Banshee's and such, what would the Protoss first reaction be?

  • 12.16.2010 9:53 PM PDT

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tenn' Ambar-metta!


Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Well, what is the best thing the Protoss have? Covenant have thousands of Ships with Trillions of Ground forces that reproduce daily.


I'm pretty sure Grunts would be scared of the Protoss ground Warriors. Protoss High Templars can use their Psionic Powers like Psionic Storm, not to mention they can merge into Archons.

Dark Templars are permanently cloaked and are great stealth warriors. Elites would be no match for Protoss Zealots and Stalkers. The Protoss use Warp Gates in their production structures to warp in units from their Homeworld.


Very easy, if the Protoss use templars and Archons, the Covenant would use Hunters and Brutes and throw them hordes of grunts.

Also the Covenant has stealth Elites and Stealth Brutes, and Elites are very good fighting.

[Edited on 12.16.2010 11:30 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2010 11:29 PM PDT

Can the children go to bed already? I love watching these ****ing morons state "facts" with absolutely no basis, usually quite clearly mere personal preference.

A Protoss Carrier has no weaponry, and carries a squadron or two of Interceptors. This will be fighting Covenant Destroyers. These carry many squadrons of Seraphs, and dozens and dozens of dropships for boarding.

While the Seraphs and Interceptors mix it up, the point defense lasers of the Destroyer will be assisting them. The Destroyers weaponry will be attacking the effectively defenseless Carrier.

I suppose we should ignore the fact that the Covenant Empire spans a signifigant portion of the Orion Arm of the galaxy, and that the Protoss hold about 10 worlds.

Ignoring numbers, Elites and Zealots are basically identical. There are just far, far, far more Elites. And then Hunters. And drones. And jackals. And brutes. And skirmishers. And grunts. Stalkers and Dragoons vs Ghosts and Revanents, those giant protoss walkers vs Scarabs, Wraiths vs Reavers....the vehicle department is, again, equal.

Again, there are far, far fewer Protoss. Not that any of the ground battles matter, because the Protoss can't win in space.

  • 12.16.2010 11:59 PM PDT


Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Depends on the battle, make it a skirmish becuase 1 Super carrier alone can take out an entire Human planet with over 1,000,000 seraphs and 17 million troops.


But can a Super Carrier handle the intense fire and speed from Interceptors?

The Protoss Phoenix's can make short work of Seraphs.


pulse lasers have insta-tracking. If the Interceptors are fighters as they seem to be (I don't know much about Protoss) then they'll just get tagged 'n bagged by the Carrier's pulse lasers.

just as well, Covie ships (at least Supercarriers) can turn completely invisible, no noise, no visuals, nothing.

[Edited on 12.17.2010 5:19 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 5:15 AM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: HundredJono

Posted by: mojeda101
Depends on the battle, make it a skirmish becuase 1 Super carrier alone can take out an entire Human planet with over 1,000,000 seraphs and 17 million troops.


But can a Super Carrier handle the intense fire and speed from Interceptors?

The Protoss Phoenix's can make short work of Seraphs.


pulse lasers have insta-tracking. If the Interceptors are fighters as they seem to be (I don't know much about Protoss) then they'll just get tagged 'n bagged by the Carrier's pulse lasers.

just as well, Covie ships (at least Supercarriers) can turn completely invisible, no noise, no visuals, nothing.


Exactly the reason why it was over Reach without the MAC stations taking it out. It slipped right past the space defenses, the Canon reason why it wasn't simply destroyed was becuase it was extremely dangerous to fire at something in the direction of the Planet, thus why we had to use a slipspace bomb.

  • 12.17.2010 8:10 AM PDT

Just to point out, a Supercarrier's shields can withstand over 5 shots from a SMAC station, and that's just it's shields! Now the hull is a different story, Humanity never got a chance to see how much it could take. Supercarriers could survive a collision with a moon and walk away unharmed, it a beast.

  • 12.17.2010 8:16 AM PDT

"Die?" Kurt laughed. "Didn't you know? Spartans never die."

this one's kinda tough, but I have to hand it to the covies. They have numbers, and the Arbiter on their side.

The only chance the protoss have would be between their basic soldiers, in which case the zealots absolutely destroy grunts and jackals.

Another interesting fight would be a sword fight between an Elite and a stronger zealot, like pre-dragoon Fenix.

[Edited on 12.17.2010 9:59 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 9:54 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: mojeda101
7 glassing projectors

Source it.

Posted by: mojeda101
Only 2 of the 15 in total were ever destroyed

Source for the 15 number of Supercarriers?

Posted by: mojeda101
One over Reach and other against Admiral Cole ... and the other was vaporized by a Super nova triggered by Cole

What page of that Evolutions story is a Supercarrier mentioned?

Posted by: mojeda101
they were never destroyed by combat, they were too efficient, well protected and heavily armed, they have THOUSANDS of turrets, point defense lasers, and plasma torpedo launchers.

Where is it explicitly stated that they had any of these, that they were in fact too efficient (To which Covenant technology is questionable) and that they were essentially indestructible to be approached in combat?

Posted by: mojeda101
Trillions of Ground forces that reproduce daily.

Trillions? lolno

Try tens of billions. Unless you are seriously implying that Lekgolo worms on their own are a threat...

"...reproduce daily..."

How is that relevant? Babies are not exactly fierce warriors now are they?

Posted by: mojeda101
Grunts and Jackals alone take out thousands of Humans with ease

Justify.

And it is funny that you think that when you consider that Human victories were quite common on ground engagements. Funny.

Posted by: mojeda101
4 inch thick armor

Reference on the thickness of Elite armour?

Posted by: mojeda101
made by the Forerunner themselves

Source?

[To save you time I will tell you that that is BS. The Covenant cannot fathom Forerunner technology and merely create a poor imitation likened to the refection on rippling water. The Forerunners also made nothing for the Covenant. The former point is revealed in the new Evolutions story Wages of Sin and was intuitively obvious even before that; the latter point is obvious by a basic knowledge of the Forerunners.]

Posted by: mojeda101
a Supercarrier's shields can withstand over 5 shots from a SMAC station

Source or justify.

Posted by: mojeda101
Supercarriers could survive a collision with a moon and walk away unharmed

If you are comparing it to the Unyielding Heirophant, then it is a small moon, and there is not any reason to assume that the two constructs have the same shields.

If you have any of these then I apologise, but you know, the purpose of a debate is to find the truth.

[Edited on 12.17.2010 12:01 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 11:49 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: mojeda101
7 glassing projectors

Source it.

Posted by: mojeda101
Only 2 of the 15 in total were ever destroyed

Source for the 15 number of Supercarriers?

Posted by: mojeda101
One over Reach and other against Admiral Cole ... and the other was vaporized by a Super nova triggered by Cole

What page of that Evolutions story is a Supercarrier mentioned?

Posted by: mojeda101
they were never destroyed by combat, they were too efficient, well protected and heavily armed, they have THOUSANDS of turrets, point defense lasers, and plasma torpedo launchers.

Where is it explicitly stated that they had any of these, that they were in fact too efficient (To which Covenant technology is questionable) and that they were essentially indestructible to be approached in combat?

Posted by: mojeda101
Trillions of Ground forces that reproduce daily.

Trillions? lolno

Try tens of billions. Unless you are seriously implying that Lekgolo worms on their own are a threat...

"...reproduce daily..."

How is that relevant? Babies are not exactly fierce warriors now are they?

Posted by: mojeda101
Grunts and Jackals alone take out thousands of Humans with ease

Justify.

And it is funny that you think that when you consider that Human victories were quite common on ground engagements. Funny.

Posted by: mojeda101
4 inch thick armor

Reference on the thickness of Elite armour?

Posted by: mojeda101
made by the Forerunner themselves

Source?

[To save you time I will tell you that that is BS. The Covenant cannot fathom Forerunner technology and merely create a poor imitation likened to the refection on rippling water. The Forerunners also made nothing for the Covenant. The former point is revealed in the new Evolutions story Wages of Sin and was intuitively obvious even before that; the latter point is obvious by a basic knowledge of the Forerunners.]

Posted by: mojeda101
a Supercarrier's shields can withstand over 5 shots from a SMAC station

Source or justify.

Posted by: mojeda101
Supercarriers could survive a collision with a moon and walk away unharmed

If you are comparing it to the Unyielding Heirophant, then it is a small moon, and there is not any reason to assume that the two constructs have the same shields.

If you have any of these then I apologise, but you know, the purpose of a debate is to find the truth.


Yes, I agree with this and where are the sources for these "Facts?"

  • 12.17.2010 12:21 PM PDT

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: mojeda101
7 glassing projectors

Source it.

Posted by: mojeda101
Only 2 of the 15 in total were ever destroyed

Source for the 15 number of Supercarriers?

Posted by: mojeda101
One over Reach and other against Admiral Cole ... and the other was vaporized by a Super nova triggered by Cole

What page of that Evolutions story is a Supercarrier mentioned?

Posted by: mojeda101
they were never destroyed by combat, they were too efficient, well protected and heavily armed, they have THOUSANDS of turrets, point defense lasers, and plasma torpedo launchers.

Where is it explicitly stated that they had any of these, that they were in fact too efficient (To which Covenant technology is questionable) and that they were essentially indestructible to be approached in combat?

Posted by: mojeda101
Trillions of Ground forces that reproduce daily.

Trillions? lolno

Try tens of billions. Unless you are seriously implying that Lekgolo worms on their own are a threat...

"...reproduce daily..."

How is that relevant? Babies are not exactly fierce warriors now are they?

Posted by: mojeda101
Grunts and Jackals alone take out thousands of Humans with ease

Justify.

And it is funny that you think that when you consider that Human victories were quite common on ground engagements. Funny.

Posted by: mojeda101
4 inch thick armor

Reference on the thickness of Elite armour?

Posted by: mojeda101
made by the Forerunner themselves

Source?

[To save you time I will tell you that that is BS. The Covenant cannot fathom Forerunner technology and merely create a poor imitation likened to the refection on rippling water. The Forerunners also made nothing for the Covenant. The former point is revealed in the new Evolutions story Wages of Sin and was intuitively obvious even before that; the latter point is obvious by a basic knowledge of the Forerunners.]

Posted by: mojeda101
a Supercarrier's shields can withstand over 5 shots from a SMAC station

Source or justify.

Posted by: mojeda101
Supercarriers could survive a collision with a moon and walk away unharmed

If you are comparing it to the Unyielding Heirophant, then it is a small moon, and there is not any reason to assume that the two constructs have the same shields.

If you have any of these then I apologise, but you know, the purpose of a debate is to find the truth.


There is something known as Halopedia, all stating the things I have put, and to source the forerunner armor, it's in Halo 2, either that if im not mistaken or the flood.

[Edited on 12.17.2010 5:05 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 5:03 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Protoss. Psionic powers will give them the advantage.

  • 12.17.2010 5:12 PM PDT

Corn, Oil, and Wine... We need more wine...

OK... OK... What are the Protoss?

  • 12.17.2010 5:21 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: mojeda101
There is something known as Halopedia, all stating the things I have put,

Halopedia is not peer reviewed. They interpret things the way they want. Example: The Glassing article.

Original quotes from the books so that the context is not lost. As far as I can remember, all of what you have said is either not true, or grossly exaggerated.

Posted by: mojeda101
and to source the forerunner armor, it's in Halo 2, either that if im not mistaken or the flood.

You are thinking if the scene were the war committee is criticising the Master Chief. The Prophet stated that his armour is superior to the Elites armour, but someone retorts claiming that their armour was from the Forerunner. Religious rhetoric. That is the type of thing Halopedia does. Take things out of context. The Covenant are incapable of accepting anything Human being better than what they have.

Think about it. If it really was Forerunner armour (or anywhere near it), would any Elites seriously be harmed by Human weaponry? No, I do not think so. Would Mjolnir be superior to it? No, considering that Mjolnir is rated as Class 2 armour to 343GS, where as the Terminals reveal Forerunner battle armour going as far as Class 12. We know Mjolnir is better than what Elites generally have, so it cannot be Forerunner.

Wages of Sin in the new Evolutions also reveals that the Prophets were unsuccessful in understanding Forerunner materials and technology to sufficiently reverse engineer anything and call it "Forerunner".

  • 12.17.2010 6:10 PM PDT

“I didn't want to wake up. I was having a much better time asleep. And that's really sad. It was almost like a reverse nightmare, like when you wake up from a nightmare you're so relieved. I woke up into a nightmare.”

Posted by: zash208
OK... OK... What are the Protoss?

  • 12.17.2010 6:11 PM PDT

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