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Subject: What exactly is the criteria for banning?
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I only see about a user a week get banned from this site, and that's usually from starting a major topic on how europeans are better than americans, americans are better than europeans, etc. etc. Other than that, there's not a whole lot of banning going on, even with the incredible amount of flaming going on in forums such as zanzibar. So I want to know, do the flamers get away without any kind of punishment at all? Just how far can people push the limits before being banned? If it were up to me, these limits would be a lot closer than they are now. If anything, we should have a three-strikes-and-you're-out system whereby every time a member makes a flame, stupid post, or any kind of spam, they recieve one tick on their profile. Once you recieve three ticks, you're banned.

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  • 11.21.2005 4:41 PM PDT
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shhhhhhh

I belive it all depends on how severe it is, i've seen mods give warnings, and once they violate those warnings, blacklisted. But i've also seen people banned right away, mostly for what they said in their post.

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  • 11.21.2005 4:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Halo_tru7h
I belive it all depends on how severe it is, i've seen mods give warnings, and once they violate those warnings, blacklisted. But i've also seen people banned right away, mostly for what they said in their post.
Yup like once I got a warning from shishka (shock shock)for going on a vow of caps lock for a week so I stopped (for if shishka gives you a warning you better listen)

  • 11.21.2005 5:05 PM PDT
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Breaking the rules is enough. How severe it was will pretty much determine if it's going to be a week, monthy, permaban or just a warning.

  • 11.21.2005 5:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: prospartan7
I only see about a user a week get banned from this site


I wish that were even close to the actual number of people banned a week.

  • 11.21.2005 5:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: prospartan7
I only see about a user a week get banned from this site


I wish that were even close to the actual number of people banned a week.

Yeah, they can do some really ninja-ish stuff, like blacklist then delete thread. Also, you probably are really just not seeing all the people get banned because you can only really tell when they start a new thread. People could reply to threads and get blacklisted and you would never know it.

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  • 11.21.2005 5:29 PM PDT
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Yeah. Everyone here's right.

It really varies depending on the situation. How new the member is, how many warnings they've had, what exactly they did, and even the moderator. Some moderators are much more lenient than others.

  • 11.21.2005 5:34 PM PDT
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What is the approximate number of people banned in a week? And I still stand by my original post. Though if you are banning more people and then deleting the posts, good job as well.

  • 11.21.2005 5:41 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

When a ban happens, unless it is the first post in a thread, the user's posts (ALL of them, in all the forums) disappear. You wouldn't even know they were there. The mods give out 7 day temp bans constantly. There are currently about 1000 permanently banned accounts, and a few hundred temp bans. For the sake of comparison, there are more than 60,000 accounts banned from Halo 2 matchmaking right now. I bring that up to illustrate an important point that Recon brought up earlier:

Both the forum banning and the matchmaking bans are designed so it is difficult for you to "flaunt" your banned status as some kind of status symbol as they give no notice to others that you are a banned account. So, what you see going on is deliberately less than is really going on.

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Wow. 1000? And I bet that that's a pretty steady number. That's a lot. I knew that the moderators were busy, and had their hands full with idiots quite often, but that's a bit more than I expected. But when you take into account that there are 1,000,000+ members on bnet, that's actually pretty good.

And the mods do their job well. It is highly unlikely that you will get banned for the wrong reasons.

  • 11.21.2005 5:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There are currently about 1000 permanently banned accounts, and a few hundred temp bans.

Hah. That's better than I'd feared. It feels like a lot more than that, sometimes.

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  • 11.21.2005 6:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Achronos
... There are currently about 1000 permanently banned accounts, and a few hundred temp bans. For the sake of comparison, there are more than 60,000 accounts banned from Halo 2 matchmaking right now...

Oh TeH NoeS! We R looZing 2 TeH BanHamz0rZ!

Guess that means we've gotta step up the pace guys!


ZOMG!!!! RECON WAS RUDE!!!1111ONE111!!!1ELEVEN

lol. Even the more lenient moderators still don't take crap from jerks. Evidence:

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=5430211

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Thanks for answering some of my questions Achronos, along with Recon, Anton, and Shiska. But I would still like to know what exactly the boundary that a person has to pass in order to be banned is. Can you be banned for consistant flaming? Consistantly posting in the wrong forum? What?

  • 11.21.2005 7:58 PM PDT

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Think about how you would act if you were a moderator. How far would you let things go before a ban? I'm willing to bet its the same as what the real mods would let happen.


Posted by: Achronos
There are currently about 1000 permanently banned accounts, and a few hundred temp bans.


Wow. I expected alot more than that for having over a million users. Of course, many of those users probably aren't very active.

  • 11.21.2005 8:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: prospartan7
Can you be banned for consistant flaming? Consistantly posting in the wrong forum? What?


Yes.

Blacklisting is pretty much up to the judgement of the person doing it, but the rules stickied in each forum make it clear what to avoid.

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I have been on the receiving end of a temp ban before now. It actually stopped me spamming in the main forums

BTW can you be banned for what you do in a group? And can mods look in to a group to see whats going on without joining or group members and admin knowing about it?

  • 11.22.2005 10:34 AM PDT

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  • 11.22.2005 12:03 PM PDT

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I have been on the receiving end of a temp ban before now. It actually stopped me spamming in the main forums

BTW can you be banned for what you do in a group? And can mods look in to a group to see whats going on without joining or group members and admin knowing about it?


Unfortuantly, no and no. There are certain rules every chapter/group must follow but main forum moderators will not ban groups/chapters unless it externally, negatively affects the site. Moderators must join and leaves just as normal members would..though at a guess, i'd say Achronos could get into your chapter without queue acceptance...even still, he wouldn't.

  • 11.22.2005 12:40 PM PDT
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*remembers pyramid thread banning; 40 members 10 minuets

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Posted by: Gods Prophet
Posted by: SlappyTheElf
I have been on the receiving end of a temp ban before now. It actually stopped me spamming in the main forums

BTW can you be banned for what you do in a group? And can mods look in to a group to see whats going on without joining or group members and admin knowing about it?


Unfortuantly, no and no. There are certain rules every chapter/group must follow but main forum moderators will not ban groups/chapters unless it externally, negatively affects the site. Moderators must join and leaves just as normal members would..though at a guess, i'd say Achronos could get into your chapter without queue acceptance...even still, he wouldn't.


Actually, that's not entirely accurate. There are some things that still won't be tolerated. I hear creating links to -blam!- in a group can get you permabanned in the regular forums, if reported.

Also, if you're group is basically a spamming chapter, as in you teach ways to spam, and may be planning a mass spam attack, I am positive that every member of it would be blacklisted, and the group deleted.

  • 11.22.2005 2:04 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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I don't need to get into your group - I can see all. As a superuser, by definition, the system assumes I have all security privs. This means I can and do intervene in groups when necessary. Usually, groups self govern, because if I have intervene in a group, I end the problem by deleting said group.

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