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Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.

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Posted by: mojeda101
Direct information of the war between the two races in 2559.

"The Great Schism rages on. While the Jiralhanae wage their own internecine wars, the Sangheili themselves are gradually losing their fleets in a war of attrition, having lost the technical expertise kept exclusively by the Prophets."


Hmmm. I'm not sure you're interpreting this passage correctly. You say that the Sangheili and Jiralhanae are fighting each other after the Human-Covenant war, and yet, the source you are referring to says something completely different.

An internecine war is a "civil war." That is Brutes fighting Brutes.

Sangheili are losing their fleets in a war of attrition, that is a battle against their own dwindling numbers. Neither party is fighting each other, they are dealing with their own problems separately of each other.

Regardless of this minor error, Brutes are much stronger than Elites. While both species possess prodigious strength, the sheer mass difference between the average Brute and the average Elite gives the clear strength advantage to the Brute.

  • 12.18.2010 8:39 PM PDT

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Brutes=tanks with supreme strength and extreme senses.

Elites=speedy, stealthy, honorable fighters with undying skill and passion.

Both nearly had John killed. One a Zealot and then and a Brute Major.


Where did MC just about die from a Zealot?


First Strike. I recall when he's fighting the Black Zealot in Zero-G. It nearly slices him open with the sword and he then snaps its wrist or something and struggles for minutes before killing it.


That zealot is the Arbiter i believe, well before he was the Arbiter.

I don't think it was.... it's been about three years since I've read it so..


This is the elite that Master chief encountered on that ship, Ascendant Justice.

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elites are tougher in the games and aparrently the books are pretty much non-cannon if the games are different. also in the first strike when he fought a brute in the actual games the brutes wernt introduced yet as a fightable enemy so it was still concept.

The games aren't different. I love how everyone who doesn't read the books says they ain't cannon.

EVEN BUNGIE says they're cannon. The books are cannon, deal with it.


Bungie didn't say the game's cannon was to be used over the books, Joe Staten did. To cover his ass after a few errors he made in the Halo novel HE wrote (BTW, he also wrote Halo 1 and 2.)


i read the books to dickface and i loved them except for the flood because it made the chief feel like a -blam!-

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Posted by: mojeda101
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elites are tougher in the games and aparrently the books are pretty much non-cannon if the games are different. also in the first strike when he fought a brute in the actual games the brutes wernt introduced yet as a fightable enemy so it was still concept.

The games aren't different. I love how everyone who doesn't read the books says they ain't cannon.

EVEN BUNGIE says they're cannon. The books are cannon, deal with it.


Bungie didn't say the game's cannon was to be used over the books, Joe Staten did. To cover his ass after a few errors he made in the Halo novel HE wrote (BTW, he also wrote Halo 1 and 2.)


Alright kid, if you want the games to be canon, put the game settings on Legendary with all skulls on, now that would be canon.

Bungie announced Heroic was cannon difficulty im not saying that brutes arnt tuogh but they dont feel as tough because the elites are smart and that gives them an edge over brutes

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Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.[/quote]

Actually, after the Covenant war, Brutes and Elites still end up fighting and the Brutes are winning, Elites are getting dumber, that is one of the reasons why.[/quote] What? The Eites aren't losing to them afterwards.


They are, Brutes continue to get supplied by the remnants of the Covenant while the Elites are left to fend for themselves with dwindling resources and manpower, look it up, Brutes are winning.

It was stated in The Return that the Brutes essentially went back to their fuedal system. Their leaders, the Prophets, are effectively wiped out.

They are essentially more interested in fightng eachother than anything else.

The Elites, at the rate they were going, would have destroyed the remainder of the Brutes before they completely lost their escourcs.


No, the Brutes would never be whipped out, If the Elites even had any ships to spare, they wouldn't bother wasting them on glassing Doisac, they would be more tactical and use it as a defensive ship for Sanghelios as Brutes still had dozens of ships left, most likely busy battling other brute ships but still, Elites wouldn't bother as if they went for Doisac, both the Brutes that were fighting each other would go for the Elite first and then finish each other off.

while the Elites had very few, they wouldn't bother using their last resources to make more ships either. Brutes would never be finished off, they are just to tough for the Elites.


Elites are still aligned with alot of Grunts and Hunters (you jut arnt allied in H3 cuz of gameplay) they have many worlds colonized they have better tech than brutes because they dont have the prophets anymore plus the elites are somewhat aligned with humanity

[Edited on 12.19.2010 8:49 AM PST]

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Posted by: Alfdog
Oh yeah and Elites are actually bigger than Brutes . Elites in Halo CE were 8'6" until then got downsized so they would be more compatible for multiplayer.
No, actually, they are not. According to the Bestiarum, Elites stand an average 2.2 meters (7'2") and weigh 144 kilograms (317 lbs). But the Brutes come in at a whopping 2.8 meters (9'2") and a staggering 510 kilos (1,124 lbs).

Gameplay experience should never be used to determine facts such as these, as both player perspective and enemy size, shape, and posture have changed several times throughout the series.

I don't know where Halopedia got its info, but it is wrong. My guess is that someone converted 2.2 meters from the Bestiarum into inches, got 86", and mistakenly recorded that as 8'6". Elites are not 8'6", just to be clear.

[Edited on 12.19.2010 9:17 AM PST]

  • 12.19.2010 8:59 AM PDT

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why is everyone saying this? The elites are clearly stronger and taller in the games anyway. the brutes are a joke to fight and theyre just basically bullet sponges for the rest of the covenant. even if they did have shields, elites imo would still win in a hand to hand fight.



Brutes are alot stronger and bigger than elites....

Master Chief - 6.10 ft
Elites - 8.6 ft (Varies) They hunch over to about 7.2 ft in combat.
Brutes - 8.9 - 9.2 ft
Jackals - 5.8 ft
Grunts - 4.6 ft
Hunters - 12.9 ft
Xytan 'Jar Wattinre was 11'6 and completed every task without failure. In other words, Xytan 'Jar Wattinre + 15 War Cheiftens( strongest brutes= 15 dead brutes and Xytan 'Jar Wattinre& toothbrush + 10 scorpion tanks= 10 blown up vehicles. In fact many consiered him greater the prophets.

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Thousands of Hunters?
Millions of Scarabs?
Bring it on!

It still takes more shots to take 'em down if they're Chieftains.

  • 12.19.2010 10:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Alfdog
Oh yeah and Elites are actually bigger than Brutes . Elites in Halo CE were 8'6" until then got downsized so they would be more compatible for multiplayer.
No, actually, they are not. According to the Bestiarum, Elites stand an average 2.2 meters (7'2") and weigh 144 kilograms (317 lbs). But the Brutes come in at a whopping 2.8 meters (9'2") and a staggering 510 kilos (1,124 lbs).

Gameplay experience should never be used to determine facts such as these, as both player perspective and enemy size, shape, and posture have changed several times throughout the series.

I don't know where Halopedia got its info, but it is wrong. My guess is that someone converted 2.2 meters from the Bestiarum into inches, got 86", and mistakenly recorded that as 8'6". Elites are not 8'6", just to be clear.

The Encyclopaedia confirms the 7 foot figure as well. The 8'6" has not been mentioned in like 10 years since CE and has been retconned into oblivion since then. Yet people still hang onto it.

  • 12.19.2010 10:26 AM PDT

After the war, the Covenant all went their separate ways, they really wouldn't lend a hand, and Humanity? They have been battered enough by the war, they wouldn't help.

Brutes on the other hand, still are loyal to the Prophet's in the council, they still lend a hand, and if you paid attention to what was said, the Elites were losing tech, while the Brutes were gaining Tech, notice why Brutes were wearing armor similar to Elites?

  • 12.19.2010 2:29 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: Alfdog
Oh yeah and Elites are actually bigger than Brutes . Elites in Halo CE were 8'6" until then got downsized so they would be more compatible for multiplayer.
No, actually, they are not. According to the Bestiarum, Elites stand an average 2.2 meters (7'2") and weigh 144 kilograms (317 lbs). But the Brutes come in at a whopping 2.8 meters (9'2") and a staggering 510 kilos (1,124 lbs).

Gameplay experience should never be used to determine facts such as these, as both player perspective and enemy size, shape, and posture have changed several times throughout the series.

I don't know where Halopedia got its info, but it is wrong. My guess is that someone converted 2.2 meters from the Bestiarum into inches, got 86", and mistakenly recorded that as 8'6". Elites are not 8'6", just to be clear.


The Encyclopaedia confirms the 7 foot figure as well. The 8'6" has not been mentioned in like 10 years since CE and has been retconned into oblivion
since then. Yet people still hang onto it.


Well bungie did say that was the case for the downsize. And in halo CE they are 8'6". Read the game manual.

  • 12.19.2010 4:50 PM PDT

Brutes are Physically stronger, but Elites are smarter.

  • 12.19.2010 5:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Alfdog
Well bungie did say that was the case for the downsize.

And that changes things how? They have integrated it into canon by having an entire booklet explaining these things. The Encyclopaedia also has the same figures; years after those 2 games.

Posted by: Alfdog
And in halo CE they are 8'6". Read the game manual.

Yeah. Also in Halo CE, Johnson was attacked by an infection form as seen in the cutscene but was apparently immune (Explaining his sudden appearance in Halo 2). That was retconned, so has the Elites height. Bungie changed it and integrated it into canon; same with Johnson's Flood immunity.

  • 12.19.2010 5:20 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
Well bungie did say that was the case for the downsize.

And that changes things how? They have integrated it into canon by having an entire booklet explaining these things. The Encyclopaedia also has the same figures; years after those 2 games.

Posted by: Alfdog
And in halo CE they are 8'6". Read the game manual.

Yeah. Also in Halo CE, Johnson was attacked by an infection form as seen in the cutscene but was apparently immune (Explaining his sudden appearance in Halo 2). That was retconned, so has the Elites height. Bungie changed it and integrated it into canon; same with Johnson's Flood immunity.


Well that's just the way I see it. And even the downsized Elites could have a Brute anyhow.

  • 12.19.2010 5:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
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Posted by: IListen2No1isme
elites are tougher in the games and aparrently the books are pretty much non-cannon if the games are different. also in the first strike when he fought a brute in the actual games the brutes wernt introduced yet as a fightable enemy so it was still concept.

The games aren't different. I love how everyone who doesn't read the books says they ain't cannon.

EVEN BUNGIE says they're cannon. The books are cannon, deal with it.


Bungie didn't say the game's cannon was to be used over the books, Joe Staten did. To cover his ass after a few errors he made in the Halo novel HE wrote (BTW, he also wrote Halo 1 and 2.)


Alright kid, if you want the games to be canon, put the game settings on Legendary with all skulls on, now that would be canon.

Bungie announced Heroic was cannon difficulty im not saying that brutes arnt tuogh but they dont feel as tough because the elites are smart and that gives them an edge over brutes


Where is this information?

  • 12.19.2010 6:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Alfdog
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
Well bungie did say that was the case for the downsize.

And that changes things how? They have integrated it into canon by having an entire booklet explaining these things. The Encyclopaedia also has the same figures; years after those 2 games.

Posted by: Alfdog
And in halo CE they are 8'6". Read the game manual.

Yeah. Also in Halo CE, Johnson was attacked by an infection form as seen in the cutscene but was apparently immune (Explaining his sudden appearance in Halo 2). That was retconned, so has the Elites height. Bungie changed it and integrated it into canon; same with Johnson's Flood immunity.

Well that's just the way I see it. And even the downsized Elites could have a Brute anyhow.

Not sure if you are attempting persuasion here. Something that is 7'2" trying to kill something that is nearly 4 times its own weight and at least a full foot taller would be troublesome. I am seriously doubtful as to whether an Elite would pull it off. People often say that Elites are faster. Master Chief in First Strike makes a note of how the shadows in that temple (Brutes) moved too fast to be Elites.

Do you think that you would be able to take down an Olympic Body-builder? That is almost the comparison being made here.

[Edited on 12.19.2010 6:23 PM PST]

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Elites are way stronger than brutes because, brutes are big,slow,and are easy targets elites actually move and manuever rather than fat brutes 1 General Elite= 5 Cheiftan brutes dead on the floor.

  • 12.19.2010 6:37 PM PDT

Posted by: Haloninja77
Elites are way stronger than brutes because, brutes are big,slow,and are easy targets elites actually move and manuever rather than fat brutes 1 General Elite= 5 Cheiftan brutes dead on the floor.


That's false, 1 berserker Brute = 3 Zealots dead.

  • 12.19.2010 6:47 PM PDT

elites are stronger and smarter but there are way more brutes but 5 vs 5 brutes vs eliets, eliets would win no problem

  • 12.19.2010 7:18 PM PDT
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I thought the MC was taller than 6,10


Master Chief is over 7 feet tall.
While wearing MJOLNIR. It'd be a good inch thick on the helmet, two on the soles of the boots, maybe... so three inches would make him 7'1" in MJOLNIR, and 6'10" without it.
Seems right.

  • 12.19.2010 7:22 PM PDT

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Elites are very fast and smart fighters, like say Jet Lee, while brutes are extroadinarily strong like a football player. Lee wins based on his intillect and fighting skills not his strength.

[Edited on 12.19.2010 8:16 PM PST]

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Posted by: mojeda101
Direct information of the war between the two races in 2559.

"The Great Schism rages on. While the Jiralhanae wage their own internecine wars, the Sangheili themselves are gradually losing their fleets in a war of attrition, having lost the technical expertise kept exclusively by the Prophets."


Hmmm. I'm not sure you're interpreting this passage correctly. You say that the Sangheili and Jiralhanae are fighting each other after the Human-Covenant war, and yet, the source you are referring to says something completely different.

An internecine war is a "civil war." That is Brutes fighting Brutes.

Sangheili are losing their fleets in a war of attrition, that is a battle against their own dwindling numbers. Neither party is fighting each other, they are dealing with their own problems separately of each other.

Regardless of this minor error, Brutes are much stronger than Elites. While both species possess prodigious strength, the sheer mass difference between the average Brute and the average Elite gives the clear strength advantage to the Brute.
Im just going to correct this for fun; the brutes started fighting based on clans or whatever after the prophets fled, and the elites ships are breaking while they hunt down the brute clans. The elite's dont really have any of the forerunner tech that the prophets held so they cant make any new ones.

  • 12.19.2010 8:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
After the war, the Covenant all went their separate ways, they really wouldn't lend a hand, and Humanity? They have been battered enough by the war, they wouldn't help.

Brutes on the other hand, still are loyal to the Prophet's in the council, they still lend a hand, and if you paid attention to what was said, the Elites were losing tech, while the Brutes were gaining Tech, notice why Brutes were wearing armor similar to Elites?
What? Lend a hand to who? The brutes pretty much went extinct after the war because elites hunted them down while they were fighting each other. Elites never lost their tech, just the prophets started to equip them better after the schism. The elits though, are having trouble maintaining tech since the prophets were in charge of that department.

  • 12.19.2010 8:15 PM PDT