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Subject: how are brutes stronger than elites?

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Posted by: mojeda101
After the war, the Covenant all went their separate ways, they really wouldn't lend a hand, and Humanity? They have been battered enough by the war, they wouldn't help.

Brutes on the other hand, still are loyal to the Prophet's in the council, they still lend a hand, and if you paid attention to what was said, the Elites were losing tech, while the Brutes were gaining Tech, notice why Brutes were wearing armor similar to Elites?
What? Lend a hand to who? The brutes pretty much went extinct after the war because elites hunted them down while they were fighting each other. Elites never lost their tech, just the prophets started to equip them better after the schism. The elits though, are having trouble maintaining tech since the prophets were in charge of that department.


You sir are an idiot, Brutes can never go extinct as the Elites would have to go to Doisac with the few ships they had left which wouldn't be enough to penetrate the Brute forces. By the year 2559, The Elites were losing their war with the Brutes with dwindling tech and ships, Brutes on the other hand were still very high in tech and ships, the only problem the Brutes have is civil war back on Doisac but hey, the Elites have to deal with the war of attrition which battered the Elites good.

Oh and by the way, please learn proper grammar.

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: no name12222235

Posted by: mojeda101
After the war, the Covenant all went their separate ways, they really wouldn't lend a hand, and Humanity? They have been battered enough by the war, they wouldn't help.

Brutes on the other hand, still are loyal to the Prophet's in the council, they still lend a hand, and if you paid attention to what was said, the Elites were losing tech, while the Brutes were gaining Tech, notice why Brutes were wearing armor similar to Elites?
What? Lend a hand to who? The brutes pretty much went extinct after the war because elites hunted them down while they were fighting each other. Elites never lost their tech, just the prophets started to equip them better after the schism. The elits though, are having trouble maintaining tech since the prophets were in charge of that department.


You sir are an idiot, Brutes can never go extinct as the Elites would have to go to Doisac with the few ships they had left which wouldn't be enough to penetrate the Brute forces. By the year 2559, The Elites were losing their war with the Brutes with dwindling tech and ships, Brutes on the other hand were still very high in tech and ships, the only problem the Brutes have is civil war back on Doisac but hey, the Elites have to deal with the war of attrition which battered the Elites good.

Oh and by the way, please learn proper grammar.

actually no, the brutes were winning for a while ill give you that but due to the brutes savage nature and lack of prophets to the lead them, they began to fight against themselves as well as the elites. the elites exploited that and managed to at least wipe out most of the brutes.
Proof

[Edited on 12.20.2010 9:54 AM PST]

  • 12.20.2010 9:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: no name12222235

Posted by: mojeda101
After the war, the Covenant all went their separate ways, they really wouldn't lend a hand, and Humanity? They have been battered enough by the war, they wouldn't help.

Brutes on the other hand, still are loyal to the Prophet's in the council, they still lend a hand, and if you paid attention to what was said, the Elites were losing tech, while the Brutes were gaining Tech, notice why Brutes were wearing armor similar to Elites?
What? Lend a hand to who? The brutes pretty much went extinct after the war because elites hunted them down while they were fighting each other. Elites never lost their tech, just the prophets started to equip them better after the schism. The elits though, are having trouble maintaining tech since the prophets were in charge of that department.


You sir are an idiot, Brutes can never go extinct as the Elites would have to go to Doisac with the few ships they had left which wouldn't be enough to penetrate the Brute forces. By the year 2559, The Elites were losing their war with the Brutes with dwindling tech and ships, Brutes on the other hand were still very high in tech and ships, the only problem the Brutes have is civil war back on Doisac but hey, the Elites have to deal with the war of attrition which battered the Elites good.

Oh and by the way, please learn proper grammar.

actually no, the brutes were winning for a while ill give you that but due to the brutes savage nature and lack of prophets to the lead them, they began to fight against themselves as well as the elites. the elites exploited that and managed to at least wipe out most of the brutes.
Proof


This is all very lucid, what year would this be taking place? If this were true, it would have to be after 2559, this seems as if it took place in 2553.

edit: Yea, it takes place 6 years later so it would be 2558, according to other sources, the Jiralhanae are still fighting in 2559, not extinct yet.

[Edited on 12.20.2010 11:04 AM PST]

  • 12.20.2010 10:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
actually no, the brutes were winning for a while ill give you that but due to the brutes savage nature and lack of prophets to the lead them, they began to fight against themselves as well as the elites. the elites exploited that and managed to at least wipe out most of the brutes.
Proof

That does not say that the Brutes were wiped out, only that the war between the Elites and Brutes is still continuing. Both sides are crippled beyond repair. Obviously the Brutes are more than a rag-tag band of survivors if they are able to cause the Sangheili concern about the attrition to their resources and fleets.

After Joyous Exultation, and after getting their asses kicked in the early years of the Schism, the Elites would not have the resources to destroy the Brutes. They abandoned the War largely, and a only a few commanders still pursue it.

  • 12.20.2010 11:11 AM PDT

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brutes are easy to kill because they're stupid, they are in fact MUCH stronger than the average elite. they can take as much punishment as a fully sheilded elite, and stand over a foot taller.

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.


Actually, after the Covenant war, Brutes and Elites still end up fighting and the Brutes are winning, Elites are getting dumber, that is one of the reasons why.


Elites relied on the covIe tech to fight. Brutes seem more on their own.

  • 12.20.2010 12:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mutoid Log
In Halo 2, brutes will relentlessly mash anything at close range. Nothing can stop them. Elites can do more damage with one hit, but they're more glass cannons than brutes because they can be knocked back. And they're slower too.


glass cannons- enough with tv tropes references.

anyway, i believe that brutes are all muscle while elites are more intelligent than them so appear stronger

  • 12.20.2010 12:54 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.

Physically thy are stronger; that says nothing about skill. That is why Elites win.
And Elites are shorter in the games; Brutes are about 9 feet tall whereas an Elite is about 7-8 feet. Check theater mode in Reach or Halo 3 or go into co-op in Halo 2 on one of the Arbiter levels where you fight Brutes. And in the books they are stronger, bigger and given more credit.

  • 12.20.2010 1:15 PM PDT


Posted by: WhiterRain12

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.


Actually, after the Covenant war, Brutes and Elites still end up fighting and the Brutes are winning, Elites are getting dumber, that is one of the reasons why.


Elites relied on the covIe tech to fight. Brutes seem more on their own.


Elites did not get "dumber", they were still skilled fighters and very smart. The problem is that the elites stopped mantaining there own tech after they joined the covy and have no clue how to mantain there equipment.

This in no way makes the brutes a better fighting force than the elites because brutes are savage and need the profets for leadership... When the profets went into hideing, the brutes end up in the sitch the elites are in (tech but no one to mantain it)

Now... i just want to add that Hunters are loyal to elites but slaves to the covy (no more profets... who are the hunters going to help)
humans... now friends with the elites... wont let them lose
jackels will go and do there pirate thing
grunt will go and have fun with the food nipple
drones will just be drones
and enginers... i think they will stick with the humans since johnson seemed to make nice with them :P

even if every species leaves the elites and brutes to fight... the smarter and more skilled fighters (elites) will slowly claim victory in halo 4 (343 is stupid and are milking halo)

  • 12.20.2010 1:18 PM PDT

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Harka, the giant Elite from Halo Legends was bigger, stronger, heavier and possibly faster than any Brute.
Btw the games are canon.

[Edited on 12.20.2010 1:46 PM PST]

  • 12.20.2010 1:41 PM PDT

Posted by: WhiterRain12

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.


Actually, after the Covenant war, Brutes and Elites still end up fighting and the Brutes are winning, Elites are getting dumber, that is one of the reasons why.


Elites relied on the covIe tech to fight. Brutes seem more on their own.


The Elites and the Prophets ARE Covie. Or the Elites WERE, but you get the point. For all the time they've been the better half of the Covenant they must've atleast adopted some of their technology and knowledge into their own culture..
And the Brutes.. Well, as far as I know Brutes didn't have glassing technology or any other forms of mass destruction before joining the Covenant, however I guess they were pretty versatile in ground combat. Notice how inferior they were in Halo 3 in space, losing 3 to 1 against Rtas 'Vadum's little fleet.

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in game when you fight a brute it feels easier to kill than an elite and elites have always had better tech and elites arnt stupid enough to bomb themselves back to a tribal state
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  • 12.20.2010 2:04 PM PDT

Posted by: jonesy90000

Posted by: WhiterRain12

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.


Actually, after the Covenant war, Brutes and Elites still end up fighting and the Brutes are winning, Elites are getting dumber, that is one of the reasons why.


Elites relied on the covIe tech to fight. Brutes seem more on their own.


Elites did not get "dumber", they were still skilled fighters and very smart. The problem is that the elites stopped mantaining there own tech after they joined the covy and have no clue how to mantain there equipment.

This in no way makes the brutes a better fighting force than the elites because brutes are savage and need the profets for leadership... When the profets went into hideing, the brutes end up in the sitch the elites are in (tech but no one to mantain it)

Now... i just want to add that Hunters are loyal to elites but slaves to the covy (no more profets... who are the hunters going to help)
humans... now friends with the elites... wont let them lose
jackels will go and do there pirate thing
grunt will go and have fun with the food nipple
drones will just be drones
and enginers... i think they will stick with the humans since johnson seemed to make nice with them :P

even if every species leaves the elites and brutes to fight... the smarter and more skilled fighters (elites) will slowly claim victory in halo 4 (343 is stupid and are milking halo)


You're grammar is TERRIBLE, don't bother writing in here if you can't master simple english. Elites can't fight a war without the tech that was produced by the Covenant, Brutes on the other hand were left with the tech left behind by the Covenant, Brutes are left with the last bite, while Elites are left with a hall full stomach.

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Elites are stronger.To me,I walk up to a brute cheiftain,it is just swinging a large hammer at me an misses me every time.I walk up to a elite with an energy sword it would lunge at me an you can't dodge it.Elite with sword vs. Brute chieftain.The brute would swing and the elite could dodge and kill the elite in one blow.I have been hit by a hammer twice by a brute an then died an cut by a sword of a elite once an died on normal.If the brutes had shields,they would still hit the ground.Elites are skilled an the brutes are ragdolls.


[Edited on 12.20.2010 4:47 PM PST]

  • 12.20.2010 4:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3
Brutes=tanks with supreme strength and extreme senses.

Elites=speedy, stealthy, honorable fighters with undying skill and passion.

Both nearly had John killed. One a Zealot and then and a Brute Major.


Where did MC just about die from a Zealot?


First Strike. I recall when he's fighting the Black Zealot in Zero-G. It nearly slices him open with the sword and he then snaps its wrist or something and struggles for minutes before killing it.


That zealot is the Arbiter i believe, well before he was the Arbiter.
Not unless the Arbiter gets his chest absolutely pulped, arm completely shattered, and his ass launched into the heart of Basis in a Covie escape pod.

SpecOps Zealot =/= Commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice.
Random Elite =/= future Arbiter.

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I wouldn't say Brutes are stronger than Elites but Elites are much smarter and faster than Brutes. They would certainly win in a one on one fight.

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Posted by: WhiterRain12

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.


Actually, after the Covenant war, Brutes and Elites still end up fighting and the Brutes are winning, Elites are getting dumber, that is one of the reasons why.


Elites relied on the covIe tech to fight. Brutes seem more on their own.


The Elites and the Prophets ARE Covie. Or the Elites WERE, but you get the point. For all the time they've been the better half of the Covenant they must've atleast adopted some of their technology and knowledge into their own culture..
And the Brutes.. Well, as far as I know Brutes didn't have glassing technology or any other forms of mass destruction before joining the Covenant, however I guess they were pretty versatile in ground combat. Notice how inferior they were in Halo 3 in space, losing 3 to 1 against Rtas 'Vadum's little fleet.

ye that was big mistake on the prophets behalf letting the brutes command ships, they should've let the hunters do it hell, even the jackals commanded ships before they joined.

  • 12.21.2010 9:33 AM PDT

Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: WhiterRain12

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.


Actually, after the Covenant war, Brutes and Elites still end up fighting and the Brutes are winning, Elites are getting dumber, that is one of the reasons why.


Elites relied on the covIe tech to fight. Brutes seem more on their own.


The Elites and the Prophets ARE Covie. Or the Elites WERE, but you get the point. For all the time they've been the better half of the Covenant they must've atleast adopted some of their technology and knowledge into their own culture..
And the Brutes.. Well, as far as I know Brutes didn't have glassing technology or any other forms of mass destruction before joining the Covenant, however I guess they were pretty versatile in ground combat. Notice how inferior they were in Halo 3 in space, losing 3 to 1 against Rtas 'Vadum's little fleet.


No, believe it or no, the Brutes had Nuclear weapons, that's why if you read the book "Ghosts of Onyx" the Brutes are attempting to steal some from the Humans. Listen, if Brutes were never added to the Covenant, the Humans would have won the war, not like they didn't or anything but battle wise they would have crushed the Covenant, why give up a chance to get billions of massive soldiers?

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: spurkis
Posted by: WhiterRain12

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.


Actually, after the Covenant war, Brutes and Elites still end up fighting and the Brutes are winning, Elites are getting dumber, that is one of the reasons why.


Elites relied on the covIe tech to fight. Brutes seem more on their own.


The Elites and the Prophets ARE Covie. Or the Elites WERE, but you get the point. For all the time they've been the better half of the Covenant they must've atleast adopted some of their technology and knowledge into their own culture..
And the Brutes.. Well, as far as I know Brutes didn't have glassing technology or any other forms of mass destruction before joining the Covenant, however I guess they were pretty versatile in ground combat. Notice how inferior they were in Halo 3 in space, losing 3 to 1 against Rtas 'Vadum's little fleet.


No, believe it or no, the Brutes had Nuclear weapons, that's why if you read the book "Ghosts of Onyx" the Brutes are attempting to steal some from the Humans. Listen, if Brutes were never added to the Covenant, the Humans would have won the war, not like they didn't or anything but battle wise they would have crushed the Covenant, why give up a chance to get billions of massive soldiers?


humanity wasnt standing a chance long before the brutes started seeing service the only reason humanity even won was because the elites came over to our side

-edit where are you getting your information?

[Edited on 12.21.2010 2:57 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2010 2:56 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: jonesy90000

Posted by: WhiterRain12

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: jonesy90000
Elite beats brute in a fight because they are mutch more skilled and alot smarter

but brutes win on there actual strenght... they are just hairy bodie buiilders on a mega steriod.


Actually, after the Covenant war, Brutes and Elites still end up fighting and the Brutes are winning, Elites are getting dumber, that is one of the reasons why.


Elites relied on the covIe tech to fight. Brutes seem more on their own.


Elites did not get "dumber", they were still skilled fighters and very smart. The problem is that the elites stopped mantaining there own tech after they joined the covy and have no clue how to mantain there equipment.

This in no way makes the brutes a better fighting force than the elites because brutes are savage and need the profets for leadership... When the profets went into hideing, the brutes end up in the sitch the elites are in (tech but no one to mantain it)

Now... i just want to add that Hunters are loyal to elites but slaves to the covy (no more profets... who are the hunters going to help)
humans... now friends with the elites... wont let them lose
jackels will go and do there pirate thing
grunt will go and have fun with the food nipple
drones will just be drones
and enginers... i think they will stick with the humans since johnson seemed to make nice with them :P

even if every species leaves the elites and brutes to fight... the smarter and more skilled fighters (elites) will slowly claim victory in halo 4 (343 is stupid and are milking halo)


You're grammar is TERRIBLE, don't bother writing in here if you can't master simple english. Elites can't fight a war without the tech that was produced by the Covenant, Brutes on the other hand were left with the tech left behind by the Covenant, Brutes are left with the last bite, while Elites are left with a hall full stomach.


Oh, I'm so sorry that i dint use the correct grammer on the interwebs. I will stop speed typing if it really matters to you.
The brutes started with the Covenant tech but slowly lose it as the prophets go into hideing, this means that they are in the same boat as the elites by the end of the war.

p.s. It is never good to start a argument with a attack on your oppenent.

  • 12.21.2010 3:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: jonesy90000
(343 is stupid and are milking halo)

Why is this?

  • 12.21.2010 3:18 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: jonesy90000
(343 is stupid and are milking halo)

Why is this?


they are going to re-make halo ce useing reach's engine. that is milking it.

  • 12.21.2010 3:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: jonesy90000
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: jonesy90000
(343 is stupid and are milking halo)

Why is this?


they are going to re-make halo ce useing reach's engine. that is milking it.

I see. Can you confirm this?

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maybe they just want to make it so you can play ce multiplayer again

  • 12.21.2010 6:11 PM PDT


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Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3
Brutes=tanks with supreme strength and extreme senses.

Elites=speedy, stealthy, honorable fighters with undying skill and passion.

Both nearly had John killed. One a Zealot and then and a Brute Major.


Where did MC just about die from a Zealot?


First Strike. I recall when he's fighting the Black Zealot in Zero-G. It nearly slices him open with the sword and he then snaps its wrist or something and struggles for minutes before killing it.

John didn't fight the Elite in Zero G, he fought it on the bridge of the Ascendant Justice (with gravity) and John didn't actually kill it, he fought with it hand to hand (and nearly lost). He injured it with the help of Johnson and Locklear, and then shoved it into an escape pod and shot it off the ship.

In First Strike, John is ambushed by a Brute, and only barely manages to kill it. The Brute was able to get a choke hold so strong on John, it almost made him black out, in his MJOLNIR armor. John only kills that Brute by pining it on top of a grenade.

In GoO, a Brute in an elevator survives a barrage of brute shot rounds, and a clip of MA5 rounds emptied into it's mouth.

Hell, pop in Halo 2 and try to fight a Brute hand-to-hand on Heroic. It probably won't go too well.

[Edited on 12.21.2010 6:46 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2010 6:45 PM PDT