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Posted by: dangerman1337

Posted by: SGT lemon 25
You keep arguing from conjecture and this really annoys me.
On topic: That is definitely mendicant bias. he mentioned that nature called for the forerunners destruction. The gravemind convinced m. bias that the flood were the next step in evolution. Thus, bias is referring to the flood as nature.


Sorry wolvers as good as you are i have to agree, plus in the excerpt (i can only read the second chapter) it describes the Forerunners as arrogant too.
Wait a minute which one of us are you agreeing with?

  • 12.23.2010 12:48 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Wolverfrog
There's also this, in the Terminals. I always thought it was Mendicant Bias speaking to the Forerunners, but it could be something else:

I render judgment on you; you who would obstruct destiny. Doing so brings me no joy; it is necessity that compels me.

Understand this: the Mantle you have shouldered I do rescind - with far more consideration than it was granted.

I kill you all and I enjoy it. I destroy you in your indolent billions - in your gluttony, in your self-righteousness, in you arrogance. I pound your cities into dust; turn back the clock on your civilization's progress. What has taken you millennia to achieve I erase in seconds.

Welcome back to the [Stone Age], vermin. Welcome home.

You are an impediment that the universe can no longer abide. Nature itself cries out for your destruction and I am its willing instrument. I will hammer your cities until no stone lies atop another. I will drive your people back into the caves they never should have left.

Your civilization has seen its final days. You will know your place.

Your history is an appalling chronicle of overindulgence and self-appointed authority. You have spent millennia [navel-gazing] while the universe has continued to evolve. And now you claim the Mantle is justification for impeding nature's inevitable refinement?

You are deluded. But through death you will transcend ignorance.

It could be the Forerunner talking to humanity. It's probably not, but it fits. The way the speaker talks of turning the clock back, driving back to the Stone Age, pounding cities into dust... it doesn't seem much like the Flood assimilating them, when you think about it. It does however fit the devolution and exile of humanity perfectly. What if humanity was the original holder of the Mantle, and the Forerunners took it from them by force?

It would be an interesting twist. I am not sure though; it says Contender [AI] 05-032 Confirmed Rampant beneath those entries. Seems to be Mendicant, and Mendicant was created as the solution to the Gravemind.

I think it fits the new Forerunner archetype as well. Terms like "Navel Gasing", "Self appointed authority", "Self-Righteousness", "Arrogance" are all sort of being reflected in Bornstellar and Forerunner society. (Bornstellar has obviously picked up these notions about Humanity from his Peers)

  • 12.23.2010 12:48 PM PDT

what if wolver is right? i mean, it would actually make sense that the halo arrays are made by humans, seeing as they are 'reclaimers'. they would reclaim what they once lost.

  • 12.23.2010 12:51 PM PDT

Posted by: SGT lemon 25
You keep arguing from conjecture and this really annoys me.


You don't know me, but everyone who does knows that theorising crazy ideas from conjecture is how I roll. I've made some correct guesses in the past, and it's fun to do.

  • 12.23.2010 12:53 PM PDT


Posted by: SGT lemon 25

Posted by: dangerman1337

Posted by: SGT lemon 25
You keep arguing from conjecture and this really annoys me.
On topic: That is definitely mendicant bias. he mentioned that nature called for the forerunners destruction. The gravemind convinced m. bias that the flood were the next step in evolution. Thus, bias is referring to the flood as nature.


Sorry wolvers as good as you are i have to agree, plus in the excerpt (i can only read the second chapter) it describes the Forerunners as arrogant too.
Wait a minute which one of us are you agreeing with?


I was agreeing with you *facedesks due to mistake* will edit know :).

  • 12.23.2010 12:53 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: StefOwnzzz
what if wolver is right? i mean, it would actually make sense that the halo arrays are made by humans, seeing as they are 'reclaimers'. they would reclaim what they once lost.


But the ark created the halo rings unless the ark is made by the humans as well,something i can't believe.

  • 12.23.2010 12:55 PM PDT


Posted by: StefOwnzzz
what if wolver is right? i mean, it would actually make sense that the halo arrays are made by humans, seeing as they are 'reclaimers'. they would reclaim what they once lost.

Or the forerunners chose humanity to reclaim the lost legacy of the forerunners. As of now there is overwhelming evidence that the halos are forerunner in origin and currently no evidence whatsoever that humanity built the halos.

  • 12.23.2010 12:58 PM PDT

haha, that is true..

  • 12.23.2010 1:00 PM PDT

Posted by: SGT lemon 25

Posted by: StefOwnzzz
what if wolver is right? i mean, it would actually make sense that the halo arrays are made by humans, seeing as they are 'reclaimers'. they would reclaim what they once lost.

Or the forerunners chose humanity to reclaim the lost legacy of the forerunners. As of now there is overwhelming evidence that the halos are forerunner in origin and currently no evidence whatsoever that humanity built the halos.


It was just a possibility I threw out there, I'm not claiming that it's fact. But until I see something concrete saying otherwise it's still a possibility.

  • 12.23.2010 1:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: SGT lemon 25
You keep arguing from conjecture and this really annoys me.


You don't know me, but everyone who does knows that theorising crazy ideas from conjecture is how I roll. I've made some correct guesses in the past, and it's fun to do.

Well I have to say I've been having fun discussing with you. Until now I've never met someone who could challenge my knowledge of the haloverse as well as you and by using conjecture only. You have my respect, but I still completely disagree with you. By the way, I'm still here if you want to keep arguing. :)

  • 12.23.2010 1:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

I wonder what could signal the Flood to attack the Milky Way galaxy? I always wanted to know about the Flood's origins.

  • 12.23.2010 1:09 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Halo Encyclopaedia, page 16
But then the Parasitic Flood arrived in the Milky Way, spreading from planet to planet like wildfire. In this desparate state of emergency, the Forerunners made the decision to sacrifice all life in the Galaxy in order to cut off the Floods food supply. Thus the seven rings of the Halo Array were constructed and fired, ...


The timeline on page 26 tells of the Forerunner creating the Rings and the Ark. Page 170 as well.

Just reading though, there is inconsistency between the Encyclopaedia and these revelations. I do not want to sound like a bore so I will leave it for now.

  • 12.23.2010 1:15 PM PDT

Looking forward to read this!

  • 12.23.2010 3:35 PM PDT

Back on page three, i think some dude said wher edoes Dictact fit into this story.

Well i think Dictact is one of those Forerunner elitist snobs and the Librarian or Bornesteller persuade him to love humans. Mehh idk just a guess

  • 12.23.2010 4:40 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: SGT lemon 25
Posted by: StefOwnzzz
what if wolver is right? i mean, it would actually make sense that the halo arrays are made by humans, seeing as they are 'reclaimers'. they would reclaim what they once lost.

Or the forerunners chose humanity to reclaim the lost legacy of the forerunners. As of now there is overwhelming evidence that the halos are forerunner in origin and currently no evidence whatsoever that humanity built the halos.


It was just a possibility I threw out there, I'm not claiming that it's fact. But until I see something concrete saying otherwise it's still a possibility.


I think you've sorta pushed the line there, Connor. I don't really see anything to even suggest humans creating Halo - which has always said to have been created by the Forerunners to starve the Flood and study them.

Origins shows the Halos being created, in Halo CE Cortana says: "This Ring.. it's Forerunner."

Posted by: LintyElm
Back on page three, i think some dude said wher edoes Dictact fit into this story.

Well i think Dictact is one of those Forerunner elitist snobs and the Librarian or Bornesteller persuade him to love humans. Mehh idk just a guess


I think that Bornstellar and the Didact are the same person.

[Edited on 12.23.2010 4:56 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2010 4:55 PM PDT

Why would the foreruners choose humanity to rexlaim halo? Dont they despise the humans?

  • 12.23.2010 4:59 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: LintyElm
Why would the foreruners choose humanity to rexlaim halo? Dont they despise the humans?


A lot changes from their previous hatred of humans to the end of the Forerunner-Flood war.

  • 12.23.2010 5:19 PM PDT

i always wondered , if the forerunners could of saved humanity, y didin't they save themselves?

  • 12.23.2010 5:22 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: LintyElm
Back on page three, i think some dude said wher edoes Dictact fit into this story.

Well i think Dictact is one of those Forerunner elitist snobs and the Librarian or Bornesteller persuade him to love humans. Mehh idk just a guess

I think that Bornstellar and the Didact are the same person.

That is one hell of an age gap. :/

  • 12.23.2010 5:42 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: LintyElm
Back on page three, i think some dude said wher edoes Dictact fit into this story.

Well i think Dictact is one of those Forerunner elitist snobs and the Librarian or Bornesteller persuade him to love humans. Mehh idk just a guess

I think that Bornstellar and the Didact are the same person.

That is one hell of an age gap. :/


Is the Didact's age ever specified? I assume he's over 300 years old because of a line the Librarian says in one of the Terminals, but we don't know how long before the Forerunner-Flood war Cryptum is.

It seems that Forerunners get titles (e.g the Didact/Librarian) when they're at a certain age, the younger ones have names (Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting/Filial Devotion). Manipular is pretty much the equivalent of Forerunner adolescence, so I guessed it could be possible that we're seeing Bornstellar before he becomes the Didact.

Then again, the Terminals suggest that the Didact never went to Earth. However Bornstellar snuk onto a transport ship to go there.

[Edited on 12.23.2010 6:57 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2010 6:49 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

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Posted by: LintyElm
Back on page three, i think some dude said wher edoes Dictact fit into this story.

Well i think Dictact is one of those Forerunner elitist snobs and the Librarian or Bornesteller persuade him to love humans. Mehh idk just a guess

I think that Bornstellar and the Didact are the same person.

That is one hell of an age gap. :/

Is the Didact's age ever specified? I assume he's over 300 years old because of a line the Librarian says in one of the Terminals, but we don't know how long before the Forerunner-Flood war Cryptum is.

Bornstellar being quite young, and the Librarian being 10'000 years old at the time of Cryptum. If Born = Didact.... :P

(Granted we donno Borns precise age either.)

  • 12.23.2010 7:01 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: anton1792
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Posted by: LintyElm
Back on page three, i think some dude said wher edoes Dictact fit into this story.

Well i think Dictact is one of those Forerunner elitist snobs and the Librarian or Bornesteller persuade him to love humans. Mehh idk just a guess

I think that Bornstellar and the Didact are the same person.

That is one hell of an age gap. :/

Is the Didact's age ever specified? I assume he's over 300 years old because of a line the Librarian says in one of the Terminals, but we don't know how long before the Forerunner-Flood war Cryptum is.

Bornstellar being quite young, and the Librarian being 10'000 years old at the time of Cryptum. If Born = Didact.... :P

(Granted we donno Borns precise age either.)


If Forerunners are supposedly immortal, where does adolescence start? :P With this in mind, would age differences between relationships matter in Forerunner culture? It's like Anakin getting with Padme when she's like 10 years his senior. *Shudders at poor love story.*

Perhaps it's like the asari, who go through different stages (maiden, matriarch etc).

  • 12.23.2010 7:04 PM PDT

*Jizz's pants.*

  • 12.23.2010 7:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Because the Forerunners realised that the Halo array was too important to be dismantled. The Forerunners built the portal during the Flood war to evacuate humanity to the Ark.

And you don't know that they're Tier 2. Considering how the Forerunner-human war seems to be regarded by Bornstellar as a great one, I imagine that it's wholly possible they were of a similar technological level.


While it makes sense that we COULD have built the array, and had the technology to do so (if not, the Runners would probably have completely destroyed us in the war) Cortana and all of the Characters acknowledge that they are FR designs (especially since Sentinels and Monitors build them)

Besides, if we had built it, why hadn't we destroyed the Forerunners with it?

  • 12.23.2010 7:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
There's also this, in the Terminals. I always thought it was Mendicant Bias speaking to the Forerunners, but it could be something else:

I render judgment on you; you who would obstruct destiny. Doing so brings me no joy; it is necessity that compels me.

Understand this: the Mantle you have shouldered I do rescind - with far more consideration than it was granted.

I kill you all and I enjoy it. I destroy you in your indolent billions - in your gluttony, in your self-righteousness, in you arrogance. I pound your cities into dust; turn back the clock on your civilization's progress. What has taken you millennia to achieve I erase in seconds.

Welcome back to the [Stone Age], vermin. Welcome home.

You are an impediment that the universe can no longer abide. Nature itself cries out for your destruction and I am its willing instrument. I will hammer your cities until no stone lies atop another. I will drive your people back into the caves they never should have left.

Your civilization has seen its final days. You will know your place.

Your history is an appalling chronicle of overindulgence and self-appointed authority. You have spent millennia [navel-gazing] while the universe has continued to evolve. And now you claim the Mantle is justification for impeding nature's inevitable refinement?

You are deluded. But through death you will transcend ignorance.


It could be the Forerunner talking to humanity. It's probably not, but it fits. The way the speaker talks of turning the clock back, driving back to the Stone Age, pounding cities into dust... it doesn't seem much like the Flood assimilating them, when you think about it. It does however fit the devolution and exile of humanity perfectly. What if humanity was the original holder of the Mantle, and the Forerunners took it from them by force?


hm...something always struck me as odd about the Forerunners, you know? How they were the ONLY power in the galaxy (at least in any rulling sense).

Now their a**hole likeness kinda proves it. I always saw them as like the Jedi; powerful--very powerful--and guardians of all life in the galaxy, but when another party gets to much power, and rises up to pontentially challenge their beliefs or their power, the Jedi complete pwn that party.

Not exactley "good" then.

  • 12.23.2010 7:31 PM PDT