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Posted by: ajw34307
If Forerunners are supposedly immortal, where does adolescence start? :P With this in mind, would age differences between relationships matter in Forerunner culture?

Probably not. Immortality would most likely desensitise people to time. It might also explain their arrogance.

Posted by: ajw34307
Perhaps it's like the asari, who go through different stages (maiden, matriarch etc).

I see. I have not played much of ME.

  • 12.23.2010 7:36 PM PDT


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Back on page three, i think some dude said wher edoes Dictact fit into this story.

Well i think Dictact is one of those Forerunner elitist snobs and the Librarian or Bornesteller persuade him to love humans. Mehh idk just a guess

I think that Bornstellar and the Didact are the same person.

That is one hell of an age gap. :/


Is the Didact's age ever specified? I assume he's over 300 years old because of a line the Librarian says in one of the Terminals, but we don't know how long before the Forerunner-Flood war Cryptum is.

It seems that Forerunners get titles (e.g the Didact/Librarian) when they're at a certain age, the younger ones have names (Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting/Filial Devotion). Manipular is pretty much the equivalent of Forerunner adolescence, so I guessed it could be possible that we're seeing Bornstellar before he becomes the Didact.

Then again, the Terminals suggest that the Didact never went to Earth. However Bornstellar snuk onto a transport ship to go there.


Librarian=over 9000 years old (literally). Bornstellar=...>.> <.< teenager.

big ass stretch there.

Besides, Born says he crosses paths with a great military leader; was Didact not the Military Leader of the Forerunners?

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A thought just struck me: was it ever explicitly stated that the Halo rings were created to respond to the Flood?

What I'm thinking is: what if the Forerunners didn't create the Halo array after all? It could have been this progenitor humanity that we've just found out about. An incredibly powerful weapon that can target any living being and completely wipe them out. Maybe the Forerunners found out about the array before it was complete and that's why they went to war with us. Then they oversaw its completion, installed monitors on the array and told their people that they had created Halo.

Just a crazy idea which most likely isn't true. Still, it's a possibility.

Nah man, forerunners built it to fight the flood they've said so themselves through the terminals.


Are you sure it said that they built them at that time? I only remember them saying that they will have to use it. Granted I haven't read them in a LONG time but still...

And yes, a Forerunner game with Greg Bear as the lead writer would be amazing, the breath of fresh air Halo badly needs.


halo needs a fresh face like how they introduced the ODSTs in ODST th spartans of noble company felt cliched because the spartans have been done to death and if its not the chief its not worth being what they need to do is make somthing new like the main character being a grunt or jackel (or like you said forerunner although playing as a flood would be cool you would be the overmind and you could inhabit the body of other flood and you could give them orders it would be nioe)

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I'm teetering if I want to buy the book.

On one hand I would really like to discover the Forerunners history and everything, but on the other hand (after reading the first chapter) I'm not sure if I WANT to know and if I just want it all to remain a mystery.

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  • 12.23.2010 9:43 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

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Posted by: LintyElm
Back on page three, i think some dude said wher edoes Dictact fit into this story.

Well i think Dictact is one of those Forerunner elitist snobs and the Librarian or Bornesteller persuade him to love humans. Mehh idk just a guess

I think that Bornstellar and the Didact are the same person.

That is one hell of an age gap. :/


Is the Didact's age ever specified? I assume he's over 300 years old because of a line the Librarian says in one of the Terminals, but we don't know how long before the Forerunner-Flood war Cryptum is.

It seems that Forerunners get titles (e.g the Didact/Librarian) when they're at a certain age, the younger ones have names (Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting/Filial Devotion). Manipular is pretty much the equivalent of Forerunner adolescence, so I guessed it could be possible that we're seeing Bornstellar before he becomes the Didact.

Then again, the Terminals suggest that the Didact never went to Earth. However Bornstellar snuk onto a transport ship to go there.


Librarian=over 9000 years old (literally). Bornstellar=...>.> <.< teenager.

big ass stretch there.

Besides, Born says he crosses paths with a great military leader; was Didact not the Military Leader of the Forerunners?
There isn't just a single Librarian; Bornsteller even says there have been three to hold the title. It's likely that Didact's Librarian and the Librarian from Chapters 1 and 2 are different people.


Posted by: Duardo
I'm teetering if I want to buy the book.

On one hand I would really like to discover the Forerunners history and everything, but on the other hand (after reading the first chapter) I'm not sure if I WANT to know and if I just want it all to remain a mystery.
Buy the book. Mysteries cease being fun after 10 years of being kept in the dark.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Oh my, this has changed everything.

Humans seem to have once been at war with the Forerunners, but the Forerunners won and devolved humanity before exiling them to Earth. A Lifeworker named the Librarian has been charged with preserving them as specimens to study. Forerunners seem to view the humans as lowly, worthless scum for the most part, but the main character appears to realise that they are not so different.
Well, I was certainly wrong. Although it is still possible that the humans are Precursors, and I got the devolving on Earth thing right, even if the specifics are a little wrong.

These genetic commands are interesting too. Do you think the Forerunners might have been pulling the strings of what happens in the main trilogy? What if John is part of a genetic line which was designed to save us? These "genas" could be the reason why only some humans were suitable to become Spartans.


There is no way they could've known about the flood. And all events involving humanity past the firing of the halos is a DIRECT result of the forunner-flood war. They couldn't have started to mess around with the genes, trying to create a line of 'spartans' for that far into the future.

  • 12.23.2010 10:50 PM PDT

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Correct me if I'm wrong (or my memory is shot) but didn't in chapter 1 it say that most of humanity fled outwards from Earth 50,000 years before the time of the book (away from the expanding Forerunner domain), and then we had a war with them 40,000 years later?... 40,000 years is a really long time. This is a very strong suggestion to me that humanity must have been
1. Very advances by the time of the war (Almost undoubtedly tier 1)
2. Probably very antagonistic toward the Forerunner (They did flee their home system which is not something that is done on a whim unless I am reading that passage incorrectly)
3. What were we doing for 40,000 years beyond thumbing our noses at the Forerunner?

  • 12.23.2010 11:08 PM PDT

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Vociferous says that they will release some more excerpts and that the book is huge.

Vociferous:"Yeah and you've just read those two. The book is an entirely new slice of the Halo Universe and it's huge. In fact, so huge that starting on January 4th, we'll be releasing piece by piece of a brief glossary of terms from just this new book."

http://halo.xbox.com/forums/f/10/t/2101.aspx


Would be pure win if the book ir larger then halo evoltuions

*heads explodes*

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
A thought just struck me: was it ever explicitly stated that the Halo rings were created to respond to the Flood?

What I'm thinking is: what if the Forerunners didn't create the Halo array after all? It could have been this progenitor humanity that we've just found out about. An incredibly powerful weapon that can target any living being and completely wipe them out. Maybe the Forerunners found out about the array before it was complete and that's why they went to war with us. Then they oversaw its completion, installed monitors on the array and told their people that they had created Halo.

Just a crazy idea which most likely isn't true. Still, it's a possibility.


That would be a valid explanation as to why Forerunner constructs respond to humans, and also at Spark's odd behavior in Halo CE, as if he knows the Chief personally.

  • 12.24.2010 5:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
A thought just struck me: was it ever explicitly stated that the Halo rings were created to respond to the Flood?

What I'm thinking is: what if the Forerunners didn't create the Halo array after all? It could have been this progenitor humanity that we've just found out about. An incredibly powerful weapon that can target any living being and completely wipe them out. Maybe the Forerunners found out about the array before it was complete and that's why they went to war with us. Then they oversaw its completion, installed monitors on the array and told their people that they had created Halo.

Just a crazy idea which most likely isn't true. Still, it's a possibility.


That would be a valid explanation as to why Forerunner constructs respond to humans, and also at Spark's odd behavior in Halo CE, as if he knows the Chief personally.


But that's because humanity were given the Mantle and became Reclaimers.

  • 12.24.2010 6:07 AM PDT

All this new information is really interesting but because of my weak english skills I couldn't understand what is this 'Mantle'.

Now They must do a Forerunner game!

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Posted by: Duardo
I'm teetering if I want to buy the book.

On one hand I would really like to discover the Forerunners history and everything, but on the other hand (after reading the first chapter) I'm not sure if I WANT to know and if I just want it all to remain a mystery.


True. Plus, the story seems to be very complex for me to understand from the start.

Mysteries are fun to solve, but sometimes once you solve it, the reward is a lame reason why the mystery is even a mystery in the first place.

Just sayin'.

  • 12.24.2010 7:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: juhoxxx
All this new information is really interesting but because of my weak english skills I couldn't understand what is this 'Mantle'.


Now They must do a Forerunner game!


A philosophy and a burden that the Forerunner's believe was handed to them by the Precursors. Very simplified it is the idea that the holder of the mantle is the guardian of all life in the galaxy.

Which was why the Flood War was so devastating for them. It was a complete and utter failure of everything they had ever tried to do.

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Posted by: Duardo
I'm teetering if I want to buy the book.

On one hand I would really like to discover the Forerunners history and everything, but on the other hand (after reading the first chapter) I'm not sure if I WANT to know and if I just want it all to remain a mystery.

Buy it or angery grass hoppers will eat your babies!!!

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

as interresting as all this is a human-forerunner war doesn't add up with anything we know of. We know of the forerunners to be kind, galactic protectors; so why would they fight use and de-evolve us? unless we were extremly war like or fought a faction of forerunner that doesn't sit right with me.


Not trying to be "that guy" like i said this is interesting, but i do have to be Grey101 and ask questions.

  • 12.24.2010 9:22 AM PDT

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Well that's the point of Cryptum, to learn new things about the Forerunners the the Halo Canon. We'll most likely figure it out when the novel comes out.
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as interresting as all this is a human-forerunner war doesn't add up with anything we know of. We know of the forerunners to be kind, galactic protectors; so why would they fight use and de-evolve us? unless we were extremly war like or fought a faction of forerunner that doesn't sit right with me.


Not trying to be "that guy" like i said this is interesting, but i do have to be Grey101 and ask questions.

  • 12.24.2010 9:33 AM PDT

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as interresting as all this is a human-forerunner war doesn't add up with anything we know of. We know of the forerunners to be kind, galactic protectors; so why would they fight use and de-evolve us? unless we were extremly war like or fought a faction of forerunner that doesn't sit right with me.


Not trying to be "that guy" like i said this is interesting, but i do have to be Grey101 and ask questions.

It does say in the terminals that the Forerunner stripped their protectorates of all capacity to defend themselves. At the very least, that suggests that the Forerunner demilitarised races once they found them via diplomacy or otherwise (In extreme cases, stripping them of their technology altogether. Why are there no other space faring races in the Orion Arm?). I would imagine not all races would be willing to surrender their only means to defend themselves and place their full trust in a people whom they hardly know.

Perhaps Humanity fought against this, and was thus destroyed when they never submitted to Forerunner authority. (Mendicant does say in the Terminals that the Forerunner were self-righteous and self-appointed authority.) Humanity may have been sufficiently evolved and advanced to have posed a significant risk if left intact in any way.

It appears the Forerunners were using loopholes in their Mantle. No genocide, so rather than wipe out Humanity they just turned back the evolutionary clock.

It also says that Humanity were colonising away from the Galactic centre as if they were fleeing from Forerunner control as well.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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as interresting as all this is a human-forerunner war doesn't add up with anything we know of. We know of the forerunners to be kind, galactic protectors; so why would they fight use and de-evolve us? unless we were extremly war like or fought a faction of forerunner that doesn't sit right with me.


Not trying to be "that guy" like i said this is interesting, but i do have to be Grey101 and ask questions.

It does say in the terminals that the Forerunner stripped their protectorates of all capacity to defend themselves. At the very least, that suggests that the Forerunner demilitarised races once they found them via diplomacy or otherwise (In extreme cases, stripping them of their technology altogether. Why are there no other space faring races in the Orion Arm?). I would imagine not all races would be willing to surrender their only means to defend themselves and place their full trust in a people whom they hardly know.

Perhaps Humanity fought against this, and was thus destroyed when they never submitted to Forerunner authority. (Mendicant does say in the Terminals that the Forerunner were self-righteous and self-appointed authority.) Humanity may have been sufficiently evolved and advanced to have posed a significant risk if left intact in any way.

It appears the Forerunners were using loopholes in their Mantle. No genocide, so rather than wipe out Humanity they just turned back the evolutionary clock.

It also says that Humanity were colonising away from the Galactic centre as if they were fleeing from Forerunner control as well.


I think i understand it now.


So the forerunners beliveing in "The Mantle" thought it was thier duty to be galactic protectors. so they thought it would be best if only they had the power in the galaxy while they would "protect" the other species. This is were the Self-righteous facor comes in with the forerunner thinking that they should be the only player in the game.

So the gravemind was correct when we was speaking with MB, the only side left is the forerunner civil war.

And on a side note this shows a topic i have been longing to talk about the shades of good and evil. Sometimes the good have the right intentions but the wrong motives or way of doing. while the Evil might have a good motive or idea, but be ahead of thier time.

Seems the forerruner weren't so nice and godly as we thought, or there is another side to the story being told.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Oh my, this has changed everything.


How about this:

The humans (we) are the Precursors. We held the mantel, protecting al life, and letting it prosper and develop its own science and so on, But on some point the Forerunners technology got more advanced then the humans. And for some reason a war began (maybe because the Forerunners thought that they should take over the mantel, or just because they are pigs or something?). The Forerunners Built the Arc and the shield worlds in secret. They activated the halos, wiping out most of Humanity, saving only a few to study, the former mantel holder.
Then the Forerunners went up against the Flood, when they understud that they would lose, and would have to aktivate the rings. So they neded someone who could take over the mantle, and who better than the humans that hade alreddy proven themself. and therefore Humans are the reclaimers! Or something like that.

You helpt me develup these thaught, now help me take them even further.

We will just have to see, wont we ^______^

(sorry for bad spelling, much better at Swedish! ^^)

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  • 12.31.2010 5:30 AM PDT

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Excuse me, i'll read through the responses as soon as my shattered psyche re-assembles it'self.

EDIT: WHAAAAAAA? Human forerunner war? Human subspecies? de-evolved? OVER 200 YEARS OLD?

EVERYTHING WE KNEW WAS A LIE?!

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  • 12.31.2010 1:13 PM PDT

Very nice, i find it interesting.

  • 12.31.2010 1:15 PM PDT

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  • 12.31.2010 1:18 PM PDT

It comes out Jan 4 right. I can't freaking wait now!

  • 12.31.2010 2:13 PM PDT

- Dragon Ball/Z/GT and it's merchandise are awesome.
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How do you guys feel about this, I was still in shock from the data pads (SPOILER) telling us how far back AI's have been running the show, and that one was turned human.



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