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Subject: Johnson and the Flood

I heard rumors that Bungie changed the way Johnson survived the Flood, so now I'm confused, did they actually change it from him being immune to infection to just fighting out? Or have they left it alone? If anyone could enlighten me, that'd be great.

  • 12.23.2010 9:16 PM PDT

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sargent johnson was almost infected by the flod. but becuase he was a spartan 1 and took place in the orion project,the drugs he was given scrambled his nervous system so the flood infection form could not interface with his brain

  • 12.24.2010 3:23 AM PDT

Being a Spartan 1 had not much to do with Johnson being immune. Spartan 1s never got pumped with chemicals, they were basically just special forces. He set off a crate of Plasma Grenades which is possible he did when he was still in the Orion Project but it doesn't say I think. The radiation from the Grenades gave him Boren's Syndrome that scrambled his nerve patterns, making the Flood unable to match a frequency.

If you read First Strike it has a section about Johnson surviving the Flood and why which clears things up a bit.

  • 12.24.2010 3:27 AM PDT

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i thought the borens syndrome was an excuse from oni to cover up the orion project?

  • 12.24.2010 3:29 AM PDT


Posted by: playerassg2
i thought the borens syndrome was an excuse from oni to cover up the orion project?


Nope, everyone knew about the Orion project because there were no kidnappings and what not but what they did was a secret. The SII project was secret at first because of what happened to make it happen.

  • 12.24.2010 3:33 AM PDT

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"The members of the ORION/SPARTAN-I program were all augmented soldiers"-halopedia

"he ORION Project was apparently classified by Section Zero, as even in 2524 the majority of UNSC personnel had no knowledge about it."-halopedia

" query by the A.I. Cortana into Johnson's medical history revealed that he had a false condition known as Boren's Syndrome. This disease was supposedly contracted while he was stationed at Paris IV. When the Covenant attacked Paris IV, Johnson fought valiantly; during the battle, he repossessed a crate of Covenant plasma grenades when his troops needed them and used them all against the enemy troops to keep them at bay so his fellow soldiers could evacuate. He received a commendation for bravery, and a twelve-hundred-rad cumulative dose of radiation as an unanticipated "bonus" from all the plasma detonations.[9] However, the Boren's Syndrome apparently had an unexpected side effect, as it made him effectively immune to infection by the sentient alien parasite known as the Flood because the radiation scrambled his nervous system so much that Flood Infection Forms could not force a match. This rendered the Flood unable to control him. However, the Boren's Syndrome story (referred to as the "Paris/BS Spoof"), was a hoax to cover up Johnson's involvement in the ORION Project, and that his immunity to Flood infection is a result of the procedures performed on him to make him a SPARTAN-I"

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  • 12.24.2010 3:40 AM PDT

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I don't remember reading any of that in the books and I've read all of them multiple times, as far as I know Dr Halsey simply explained Sgt Johnson to be scientific anomoly and it would be unlikely that they ever found out the cause of his immunity.

That is the reason that his files were destroyed, to save his life.

  • 12.24.2010 3:48 AM PDT

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it doesnt have to yave the information in the books to be true or false,but you right it could not be correct and maybe it should and will stay a mystery.

  • 12.24.2010 3:50 AM PDT
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Ugh.

Johnson's being a Spartan-I was the reason why he wasn't infected. Boren's Syndrome was a false disease created to cover up his modifications as a member of the ORION project. I forget the specifics because it never mattered much to me, but I believe that the ORION project did the same thing that BS was supposed to do: scrambled his nervous system.

  • 12.24.2010 7:55 AM PDT

ONIs cover up was Borens syndrome but its was because he is a spartan 1, the augmentation was new and -blam!- his nervous system :)

  • 12.24.2010 8:14 AM PDT

Great input guys, it's pretty much what I've been thinking myself, I'm just wondering whether Bungie has retconned him being immune to the Flood or not. 'Cause the graphic novel for Halo:CE doesn't show Johnson get bitten at all and just fighting his way out.

I agree that Boren's syndrome is definitely a cover up for his SI augmentations, whether Bungie still has him immune to the Flood or not, he was still a Spartan I and Boren's syndrome is most definitely a cover up.

  • 12.24.2010 9:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm just wondering whether Bungie has retconned him being immune to the Flood or not.

Yes.

  • 12.24.2010 9:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: playerassg2
i thought the borens syndrome was an excuse from oni to cover up the orion project?

You are correct sorry to the other guy but your wrong.

  • 12.24.2010 12:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Grizzwizz
Being a Spartan 1 had not much to do with Johnson being immune. Spartan 1s never got pumped with chemicals, they were basically just special forces. He set off a crate of Plasma Grenades which is possible he did when he was still in the Orion Project but it doesn't say I think. The radiation from the Grenades gave him Boren's Syndrome that scrambled his nerve patterns, making the Flood unable to match a frequency.

If you read First Strike it has a section about Johnson surviving the Flood and why which clears things up a bit.

Boren's syndrome was a cover up.

  • 12.24.2010 1:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: playerassg2
i thought the borens syndrome was an excuse from oni to cover up the orion project?

You are correct sorry to the other guy but your wrong.


Careful Lord Snakie knows his stuff.
I thought the disease was just a cover up. But what do i know.

  • 12.24.2010 1:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: playerassg2
i thought the borens syndrome was an excuse from oni to cover up the orion project?

You are correct sorry to the other guy but your wrong.


Careful Lord Snakie knows his stuff.
I thought the disease was just a cover up. But what do i know.


the disease is real but johnson having it was a fraud.

  • 12.24.2010 1:30 PM PDT

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Answer me this Snakie;

Am I imagining the whole scenario or did I actually read in the books that his immunity was simply an anomaly? I am pretty sure I remember Halsey presenting the Master Chief with her files on Johnson and giving him the choice of wether or not to show ONI the info.

Now I know the borens syndrome came up somewhere but I just don't remember that being the reason for his immunity.

  • 12.24.2010 1:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
Ugh.

Johnson's being a Spartan-I was the reason why he wasn't infected. Boren's Syndrome was a false disease created to cover up his modifications as a member of the ORION project. I forget the specifics because it never mattered much to me, but I believe that the ORION project did the same thing that BS was supposed to do: scrambled his nervous system.


I know all this to be true but didn't 'Breaking Quarantine' show that immunity had nothing to do with surviving his flood encounter and Punching and Shooting his way out of the Forerunner installation was? I always thought that Johnson was immune to the flood not because of Super Soldier projects or made up diseases but because of him being a badass.

[Edited on 12.24.2010 1:39 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 1:38 PM PDT

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Yeah I'm looking at 'Breaking Quarantine' now and it doesn't look like the infection forms ever even broke his skin.

[Edited on 12.24.2010 1:42 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 1:41 PM PDT

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Thinking about this over dinner how much contact does it take for an infection form to attain control of its victim? Because I can't accept Johnson being immune to the flood that would be ridiculous if it were that easy the Forerunners would have figured it out long ago. However I think it might be possible that he is mildly resistive to the Flood.

But again I couldn't see from HGN whether the infection forms ever actually got into his skin.

  • 12.24.2010 2:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Grizzwizz
Being a Spartan 1 had not much to do with Johnson being immune. Spartan 1s never got pumped with chemicals, they were basically just special forces. He set off a crate of Plasma Grenades which is possible he did when he was still in the Orion Project but it doesn't say I think. The radiation from the Grenades gave him Boren's Syndrome that scrambled his nerve patterns, making the Flood unable to match a frequency.

If you read First Strike it has a section about Johnson surviving the Flood and why which clears things up a bit.

No, it's cause he was a S1. The grenades were a coverup by ONI 7. The Orion soldier's were given drugs, but not like the IIs or IIIs.

  • 12.24.2010 2:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Terminus
Thinking about this over dinner how much contact does it take for an infection form to attain control of its victim? Because I can't accept Johnson being immune to the flood that would be ridiculous if it were that easy the Forerunners would have figured it out long ago. However I think it might be possible that he is mildly resistive to the Flood.

But again I couldn't see from HGN whether the infection forms ever actually got into his skin.

Forerunners didn't have a cure or immunity because they had never, ever gone to war or ever been infected by anything(Well, for their last couple thousand years of existance). The flood not being able to infect Johnson was because he was an Orion soldier, there was a side effect causing him to have srambled cells, DNA(Not really, just making a point)), all that stuff The flood couldn't figure out how to infect scrambled genes, so they died and were pwned by his laser eyes.

  • 12.24.2010 2:41 PM PDT
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I always thought that Johnson was immune to the flood not because of Super Soldier projects or made up diseases but because of him being a badass.

yes, and someone from Bungie has said that in a interview about the HGN. Part of the purpose of Breaking Quarantine(and probably the pg 122 stuff) was to retcon First Strike.

  • 12.24.2010 8:04 PM PDT
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Sargent Johnson was not a spartan.

  • 12.24.2010 8:24 PM PDT
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In halo 3 if you do the cheat to keep sgt.johnson alive when 343 guilty spark shoots on him on the last level. He can get infected by the flood.

  • 12.24.2010 8:34 PM PDT

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