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Due to the fact it's 1 in the morning, I'll keep this relatively simple.


Added Canon due to the Cryptum chapters being released--

If you read the chapters, you'll note a forerunner-Human war. That's right folks, war between the two, 10 thousand years before the start of the book. Humanity was a pretty high-tech race, expanding over several star systems, however they were no match for the forerunners. It was mentioned that the forerunners are a fair race, however when pushed show absolutely no mercy. Humanity was crushed, reduced to one planet, and devolved to a state of near-barbarianism.

In Halo Legends *Baby Sitter* there were ruins that weren't forerunner, yet looked extremely similar. This could very well have been the old 'Human' ruins, before the war.

Also, Remember 343 guilty spark? He mentioned several different combat skins. However, a misconception that's always been made was that 343 was referring to a FORERUNNER CS, when forerunners were different than humans. Perhaps 343 was thinking of the human combat skin? That Human evolution brought combat skins up several levels beyond Master Chief's current armor system, which indicates future innovation towards armor.

If you go on the halo wikia, you'll find the tiers of evolution/technology. This lists the requirements required to reach a certain 'tier' of advancement. This suggests to me a certain type of 'predetermination' such as that no matter what happens, we humanity will follow a path no matter what, assuming we don't die out in the process. Strictly speaking of technological advancements, there's only a certain direction you can go towards, which brings me to another idea.

The time old adage states that History repeats itself. Who is to say this isn't true? There's this time travel theory that states you can do what you want to change or delay an event, but it will inevitably happen. An example of this is that you could kill Hitler, or Stalin, however there would just be others to take his place. Where I'm going with this is that while Humanity reached great heights, and then got crushed by the Forerunners and consequentially devolved, with time history continues/repeats itself, and humanity once again starts to travel down the same path it did before. You could try and stop Humanity's advancement, or delay it, but inevitably we will rise up given the opportunity.

Interesting concept, is it not? To think that we might be heading down a path held by our ancestors so long ago?

So now, what lies ahead is what has occurred before. To reach new planets, evolve technologically, and explore the galaxy. The Combat Suits could very well point towards the fact that we are (in retrospect to the halo universe and current time in that universe, which would be approx. 2552) close to our ancestors benfore.

I'm sure that the new Cryptum book will hold more answers to our insatiable questions about Humanity's past, and its future as well. What do you guys think?

EDIT: a bunch of people are assuming that the forerunners hate humanity. To clear this up, they dont actually 'hate' them, it's more of a respect and dignity issue. They're thought of being 'lesser' beings, not actually hated. As for why they are 'reclaimers,' well, is anyone's guess until the books come out. Personally I think it could either be that they helped with the flood, that they were the most closely related, or that they were the most advanced at the time. Hopefully this upcoming book helps explain it..

Also, about the combat skins, perhaps you're right. However I personally find it hard to believe that Spark mixed up forerunner skins with a human one that was independently designed.

WAIT! Maybe when the flood attacked, they recruited humans and made them their own suits? Because if spark calls him reclaimer during normal thinking. It's only when he turns Rampant that he calls John forerunner. Thus the combat skins were for humans, yet made by forerunners for the flood war which explains how Spark already knew of the level skin it was. Also, this would explain why forerunners made humanity reclaimers. Maybe they proved themselves 'worthy' of inheriting the galaxy?

[Edited on 12.25.2010 6:21 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2010 10:18 PM PDT

It's possible, but wouldn't Spark know about humanity's devolution and exile? As such, why would he ask John about combat skins?

I think Spark genuinely just mistook John as a Forerunner, or at least he did at first.

  • 12.24.2010 2:53 AM PDT

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I think Spark thought he was Forerunner related. He could open and activate Forerunner stuff and he's a Reclaimer.

That or I always thought he could be mocking John's armor.

  • 12.24.2010 2:56 AM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
It's possible, but wouldn't Spark know about humanity's devolution and exile? As such, why would he ask John about combat skins?

I think Spark genuinely just mistook John as a Forerunner, or at least he did at first.


Don't forget also that 343 Guilty Spark was going insane (well AIs in Bungie games have a tendency at this ;)).

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
It's possible, but wouldn't Spark know about humanity's devolution and exile? As such, why would he ask John about combat skins?

I think Spark genuinely just mistook John as a Forerunner, or at least he did at first.


Well Spark mentioned himself, that his knowledge was limited only to what he needed to know. Human history isn't a part of what he needed to know. The forerunners loathed the humans, at least that's what I think the book was getting at (read: Cryptum). Perhaps just a basic knowledge of their technology before their devolution? So when the forerunners let humanity reclaim the Mantle, they kept a database of the human technology needed to fight the flood were it to ever happen again. Mark V/Mark MI being #2 on that list, with a #12 recommended.

Considering that humans are similar to forerunners, they still aren't that similar. I highly doubt that the Mark V/Mark VI looks even related to the combat skins, there's no way that a forerunner could fit into his suit, the two species are just way too different. Thus why I think that just assuming that Spark thinks he's forerunner is just an assumption; and that it should be safe to assume what I'm saying too.

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  • 12.24.2010 7:07 AM PDT

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what i don't understand is why the forehunerss made the humans reclaimersw if they hated them

  • 12.24.2010 7:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: fsabran
what i don't understand is why the forehunerss made the humans reclaimersw if they hated them


They didn't hate them they just didn't like them in general (which is an important distinction). A lot can happen in 300 years.

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Posted by: fsabran
what i don't understand is why the forehunerss made the humans reclaimersw if they hated them


Well I think the books in the forerunner series were answer that.

And I correct myself: they didn't loath them, it was more that they didn't have respect for them. they purposely kept them in a devolved state, at just thought of them as 'scum' per say. It's my guess (and anyone else's until the book officially comes out) that something happens that changes their way of thinking about humans.

In the terminals, the Librarian said humanity was special. While in the book the Librarian also said that, even though most forerunners thought otherwise, it's possible that by the flood war that they began to deem humanity as more respectful.

Also they saw the similarities between them and humanity, so felt a personal tie to them, which no other species at the time (that I'm aware of) offered.

  • 12.24.2010 7:24 AM PDT
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“To say more would spoil be it’s overall its a game that needs to be played.” - Aristotle

Well my Precursor/Three Children theory was just shot with a cannon.

Hehe, ironic word choice is ironic.

  • 12.24.2010 7:53 AM PDT


Posted by: Lord Snakie
Well my Precursor/Three Children theory was just shot with a cannon.

Hehe, ironic word choice is ironic.


not completely, it just needs modification, and what theory doesn't when new evidence is given? In fact, the Forerunners themselves think its a possibility Humanity was created by the Precursors as well, should that not add some reinforcement to your theory? (Or am I remembering it wrong?)

  • 12.24.2010 8:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Potentially, but it's not the same as the LotR-like scenario I originally envisioned one way or another. I don't care much about any new canon anyway; I figure I'll just let it be as-is and not give 343i money for the sake of preserving old ideas.

  • 12.24.2010 9:53 AM PDT


Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Potentially, but it's not the same as the LotR-like scenario I originally envisioned one way or another. I don't care much about any new canon anyway; I figure I'll just let it be as-is and not give 343i money for the sake of preserving old ideas.


one aspect of a theory far greater then that aspect being proven wrong does not disprove the entire theory. (And the LotR part was more or less just a possible referance to another, seperate story rather then truly important part of the greater theory). Something I like about Halo is how mysterious it is, and how it allows for the audience to pick apart every detail, however minor, and how that small detail could pertain to events of epic proportions that we don't even know abot yet.

Like this part here Proof from the Terminals?:

In Terminal #1 on Legendary difficulty, Mendicant Bias speaks the following:


Is this the noble sacrifice my creators spoke of? Where is the nobility in these streets paved with greasy carbon and dun ash? [My mouth is speaking at another's behest] - that is not my voice; that is the other.

Its voice stands out as the single calm note in the panicked cacophony outside the sphere. It alone is not decrying its fate or raging against the [central government].

This anomaly bears closer examination.


and its further analysis on your part I personally find to be amazing, and see no reason as to why it is untrue.

So while some minor aspect of your theory may have been debunked, yours is one of much greater potential then that. It still makes sense to me, and will continue to make sense up until the very last bit of your theory is proven wrong (which I somehow doubt)

  • 12.24.2010 10:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

so most of the ruins we think are forerunner are actually human, ok. But if the forerunners hated us so why did they pick us to carry on?

  • 12.24.2010 10:16 AM PDT

Forerunners propably didn't hate humans. Before human-forerunner war anyway. They chose humans because they had genetic similarities.

  • 12.24.2010 11:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
so most of the ruins we think are forerunner are actually human, ok. But if the forerunners hated us so why did they pick us to carry on?


The didn't actually hate us. And when the Flood arrived, the Forerunners needed as much help as they could get. I think it's safe to say humanity aided here and there in such ways that they redeemed themselves. Or it's not safe and Cryptum or its sequels with reveal the truth.

  • 12.24.2010 11:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Venator82

Posted by: grey101
so most of the ruins we think are forerunner are actually human, ok. But if the forerunners hated us so why did they pick us to carry on?


The didn't actually hate us. And when the Flood arrived, the Forerunners needed as much help as they could get. I think it's safe to say humanity aided here and there in such ways that they redeemed themselves. Or it's not safe and Cryptum or its sequels with reveal the truth.


Or the forerunners realized thier ignorance and started giving us what we needed to tier up.

To think Didact was right, had the forerunners let SOME advanced life stay Advanced the flood wouldn't had been a problem.

  • 12.24.2010 11:18 AM PDT
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I like the Mk V armor.

I love this. It makes us think, like how we think aliens visited us, but it could have been us a long time ago, not visiting but just being there.

In Chile, South America, the Gateway to the Gods, a man thousands of years ago disappeared through them. Maybe he knew who we once were? Maybe our pyramids were made because the pharaohs or Aztec kings were trying to contact the others, but had no idea that another race had wiped them out? And these pharaohs and kings died, but they left us hints on walls, but their people thought them to be gods, not humanity.

Endless possibilities. All of them, conspiracies.

Edit: There's one problem though, it's possible that it was the forerunners viisting and leaving, yes?

[Edited on 12.24.2010 3:01 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 2:58 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Venator82

Posted by: grey101
so most of the ruins we think are forerunner are actually human, ok. But if the forerunners hated us so why did they pick us to carry on?


The didn't actually hate us. And when the Flood arrived, the Forerunners needed as much help as they could get. I think it's safe to say humanity aided here and there in such ways that they redeemed themselves. Or it's not safe and Cryptum or its sequels with reveal the truth.


Or the forerunners realized thier ignorance and started giving us what we needed to tier up.

To think Didact was right, had the forerunners let SOME advanced life stay Advanced the flood wouldn't had been a problem.



or the Flood would have gained that technology as well and they would have been even more dangerous.

  • 12.24.2010 4:11 PM PDT

Que Pasta...?
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Am I the only one who sees this opening up new pathways for Halo 4 to go down?

I.e. instead of visiting Forerunner ruins on the mystery planet, There are Human ruins, but ancient ones.

Food for thought...

  • 12.25.2010 1:47 AM PDT
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We have to remember that the book takes place, what, over 100,000 years ago? The Forerunner-Human war, 10,000 before that... Woah.

Anyway. I don't think we'd have evolved enough to have Forerunner-esque combat skins. I think Spark genuinely mistook John for a Forerunner. It mentions in Cryptum that they have a close genetic makeup. I was thinking of Lord Snakie's "Precursors and their three Children" theory the whole time, and so much in the book fits with his theory...
Moving on, nice connection to Babysitter. I actually hadn't thought of that.

Can't wait for Cryptum, it has already shown some customs of the Forerunners that intrigue me. Although, I don't like how Born is portrayed. He seems too human to be Forerunner. Too.. curious.

  • 12.25.2010 3:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: fsabran
what i don't understand is why the forehunerss made the humans reclaimersw if they hated them


That was 50,000 years before the Flood showed up and everything changed. Look at Germany, we've fought 2 world wars against them but do we hate them?

*Waits for sarcastic reply.*

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It's possible, but wouldn't Spark know about humanity's devolution and exile?

I doubt it, why would he need to know that? His function is to keep Installation 04 in check and stop everything going tonto with the Flood, he states his mind is compartmentalised so he doesn't have access to certain information.

[Edited on 12.25.2010 4:15 AM PST]

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Oh my god, I just thought of a new theory involving the combat suits and how humans became the reclaimers. Edited the OP to answer counter arguements as well as adding an additional theory.

  • 12.25.2010 6:23 PM PDT