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Subject: The most stupid explination for the Canon errors in Halo Reach

If you read this, you've wasted a few seconds of your life.

Most people who have read the halo books FoR and FS, know that there are some pretty big canon issues that simply can't be explained with the knowledge we have right now.

Well, I may have a very silly explanation for all this, it is far fetched and very unlikely but here it is anyway:

Do you guys still remember the forunner crystal the survivors of Red team discovered in the forunner ruins under Castel Base? It is said that it can warp time, space gravity etc. Cortana or Dr Halsey mentioned that the crystal somehow changed time.

Now, couldn't the crystal have totally changed the events that happened at Reach?
This way, the weird timeframes of Reach COULD make a little bit more sence and the scattered apearance of the UNSC and Covenant fleet.

Here is the arcticle about the forunner crystal: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner_crystal

  • 12.24.2010 7:54 AM PDT

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It makes isolated parts of the Universe travel through time.

It doesn't magically alter events timelines.

  • 12.24.2010 7:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
It makes isolated parts of the Universe travel through time.

It doesn't magically alter events timelines.

It might do. Had it the time alteration not happened, Ascendant Justice would not have arrived at Reach until the end of September. The Unyielding Heirophant and the fleet of 500 would have therefore destroyed Earth and finished Humanity.

Dragging Ascendant Justice back through time therefore altered the timeline in Humanitys favour.

What did the crystal actually do though? Did it just time dilate Reach so that time passed slower there (Or across all of UNSC/Covenant space, except for Alpha Halo), or did it actually drag Ascendant Justice back through time to September 12? I have never gotten my head fully around this.

Anyway, that would be a paradox OP. Altering the events on Reach that led to Alpha Halo and the crystals activation could result in those events not taking place. If they did not take place, then no time travel. No time travel; events do not change, so the crystal is activated, etc.

  • 12.24.2010 8:33 AM PDT

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Holy -blam!- I don't care

  • 12.24.2010 8:35 AM PDT

If you read this, you've wasted a few seconds of your life.


Posted by: J4x0n16
Holy -blam!- I don't care


Then why reply here?

  • 12.24.2010 8:38 AM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
It makes isolated parts of the Universe travel through time.

It doesn't magically alter events timelines.

It might do. Had it the time alteration not happened, Ascendant Justice would not have arrived at Reach until the end of September. The Unyielding Heirophant and the fleet of 500 would have therefore destroyed Earth and finished Humanity.

Dragging Ascendant Justice back through time therefore altered the timeline in Humanitys favour.

What did the crystal actually do though? Did it just time dilate Reach so that time passed slower there (Or across all of UNSC/Covenant space, except for Alpha Halo), or did it actually drag Ascendant Justice back through time to September 12? I have never gotten my head fully around this.

Anyway, that would be a paradox OP. Altering the events on Reach that led to Alpha Halo and the crystals activation could result in those events not taking place. If they did not take place, then no time travel. No time travel; events do not change, so the crystal is activated, etc.

That's the whole issue with time-travel, it's a very tricky area.

Most science-fiction explanations lean towards the "New time line overlaps old time line" kinda thing. With the anomaly present and most of the time unexplained.

Hell, technically we're all time-travelling. Each travelling a second closer to the future. :P

  • 12.24.2010 9:48 AM PDT

Yes... I can dodge ducks... and slow moving bullets.

^ Doctor Who explains it quite effectively in my opinion, "Time is made up of timey wimmey wiggly timey bits"

  • 12.27.2010 8:23 PM PDT

Yes, I'm a furry. And yes, I like men. So what?

The games are solid, unquestionable canon, and the books are what would be called 'speculative canon'

Get offa the hate train, people.

  • 12.27.2010 8:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: DreadKlaw68
The games are solid, unquestionable canon, and the books are what would be called 'speculative canon'

Get offa the hate train, people.


That started to flip-flop after Halo 3.

  • 12.27.2010 8:44 PM PDT

This doesn't seem too far-fetched. After all, Bungie does have a fascination with time-travel (Marathon and John-117 supposedly traveling back in time at the end of H3)

  • 12.27.2010 8:54 PM PDT

Its just a cheap excuse for Bungie to do what they want. And Reach was a military planet. Where were all the war machines. In Long Night of Solace, I didn't see a single station or orbital MAC platforms. In the novels the planet was buzzing with activity. There didn't seem like much even before the Covenant attacked.

  • 12.28.2010 5:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: Joe Da Butcher
This doesn't seem too far-fetched. After all, Bungie does have a fascination with time-travel (Marathon and John-117 supposedly traveling back in time at the end of H3)


You mean hatred of time travel, they've mentioned it many-a-time.

Also, John does not travel into the Marathon universe. In fact, it's impossible.
- Bungie doesn't own the Halo IP anymore.
- 343 Industries are making Halo 4, they do not own the Marathon IP.
See where this is going?

The final Terminal makes things pretty clear that MB is sending John to the Forerunners.

  • 12.28.2010 6:07 AM PDT

The obvious explanation is that it was all a dream.

  • 12.28.2010 11:04 AM PDT

Clearly ONI did it.

  • 12.28.2010 11:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: Justice One Duo
Clearly ONI did it.


Yup, ONI covered it up. They hired Leonardo Decaprio to plant a dream in the minds of... What were we talking about again?

  • 12.28.2010 11:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Robbert014
Most people who have read the halo books FoR and FS, know that there are some pretty big canon issues that simply can't be explained with the knowledge we have right now.

Well, I may have a very silly explanation for all this, it is far fetched and very unlikely but here it is anyway:

Do you guys still remember the forunner crystal the survivors of Red team discovered in the forunner ruins under Castel Base? It is said that it can warp time, space gravity etc. Cortana or Dr Halsey mentioned that the crystal somehow changed time.

Now, couldn't the crystal have totally changed the events that happened at Reach?
This way, the weird timeframes of Reach COULD make a little bit more sence and the scattered apearance of the UNSC and Covenant fleet.

Here is the arcticle about the forunner crystal: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner_crystal


I remember this from te books, but the travel they did with the crystal happened after Reach, and the events that you mention are from "First Strike" that means AFTER the events of Reach when the Chief goes back to Reach, not before leaving Reach.

[Edited on 12.28.2010 4:09 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2010 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: DreadKlaw68
The games are solid, unquestionable canon, and the books are what would be called 'speculative canon'

Get offa the hate train, people.


That started to flip-flop after Halo 3.

Then I don't get why they don't address these issues, and re-write the earlier books in the game's favor. Same plots, characters, settings, etc. But different dates an sub-plots that help clear up some of these issues.

  • 12.28.2010 4:38 PM PDT

I dont see why people continue to -blam!- about "Canon broken" they made everything in reach fit very well into the halo storyline only thing i can think of that eludes me is why oni covered up the covenant invasion and how the POA was on reach(dates from space to reach and back).

other than that I think it fits well ( If I get any of that crap about "halsey not knowing of spartan 3's during reach" I will go mental eric nyland explained this in halseys journal including more "canon issues" all we need explained is why the afvance invasion was covered up and how and what time the POA entered reach.

[Edited on 12.28.2010 5:29 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2010 5:18 PM PDT