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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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If you are Christian, God put animals on the earth for a reason. To eat.
If not, then just accept that science created animals for a reason. To eat. Or to help other animals eat so we can eat them, and so on.


It doesn't make it morally correct, Christian or atheist!


According to whose morals? I see nothing wrong with killing animals that were brought into creation for the sole purpose of being devoured. This is not going against anyone's morals but your own, my religion doesn't say to not eat meat, my mother never said to not eat meat, my country never said to not eat meat.

  • 12.24.2010 5:12 PM PDT

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To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).

  • 12.24.2010 5:12 PM PDT

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Since the topic of the moment is 'efficiency of digestion,' go back and look at your comparisons of herbivores and carnivores. Which sounds more efficient? The one with 300% more intestines and four stomachs or the carnivore?


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I say after this we all go out for steak, yes?

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I believe B12 can be obtained from dairy products as well... but not a lot compared to meat.


Dairy = Animal product.


Touche... but then vegetarians aren't completely screwed if they eat dairy products. I mean vegetarians live just as long if not longer than meat eaters... although I guess supplements are a factor as well. Still, what's wrong with supplements?

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).

Which in turn, is still taken from animals.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).


Diary is animal product. Dairy is most likely close to meat, than a plant. Only because you don't have to CHEW it, it is different than meat,

  • 12.24.2010 5:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).


But it is an animal product. According to you, we cannot eat animals or animal products because it is bad for us.

  • 12.24.2010 5:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: A reely bad bean
If you are Christian, God put animals on the earth for a reason. To eat.
If not, then just accept that science created animals for a reason. To eat. Or to help other animals eat so we can eat them, and so on.


It doesn't make it morally correct, Christian or atheist!


According to whose morals? I see nothing wrong with killing animals that were brought into creation for the sole purpose of being devoured. This is not going against anyone's morals but your own, my religion doesn't say to not eat meat, my mother never said to not eat meat, my country never said to not eat meat.


You are so blinded that you cannot see the innocent slaughter of an animal weaker than you as wrong.

Then I cannot argue with you, as you are too blinded. You would never kill your own dog, or your baby, yet there are no differences between them and other animals.

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I believe B12 can be obtained from dairy products as well... but not a lot compared to meat.


Dairy = Animal product.


Touche... but then vegetarians aren't completely screwed if they eat dairy products. I mean vegetarians live just as long if not longer than meat eaters... although I guess supplements are a factor as well. Still, what's wrong with supplements?


How are supplements made? Animals

  • 12.24.2010 5:14 PM PDT

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I can eat meat with no negative repercussion; therefore, we are designed to eat meat.

Bad argument, just because I can kill someone with a trophy with ease doesn't mean I can buy it in a weapon store. Being able to do something and being designed to do something are two different things.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).


But it is an animal product. According to you, we cannot eat animals or animal products because it is bad for us.


I said animals. I'm against killing animals for food, not for squeezing milk out of them.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).


A vegan vegetarian refuses even dairy.

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I say after this we all go out for steak, yes?


I'm down for some steaks. We can all experiment. We all eat steak. And then we can tell each other how efficiently we are enjoying the sweet taste.

  • 12.24.2010 5:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).


So now you're turning this from an efficiency argument into a morality one?

This is pointless.

  • 12.24.2010 5:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).


Diary is animal product. Dairy is most likely close to meat, than a plant. Only because you don't have to CHEW it, it is different than meat,


I don't have to kill an animal to get it, so I don't think it's wrong.

  • 12.24.2010 5:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: A reely bad bean
If you are Christian, God put animals on the earth for a reason. To eat.
If not, then just accept that science created animals for a reason. To eat. Or to help other animals eat so we can eat them, and so on.


It doesn't make it morally correct, Christian or atheist!


According to whose morals? I see nothing wrong with killing animals that were brought into creation for the sole purpose of being devoured. This is not going against anyone's morals but your own, my religion doesn't say to not eat meat, my mother never said to not eat meat, my country never said to not eat meat.


You are so blinded that you cannot see the innocent slaughter of an animal weaker than you as wrong.

Then I cannot argue with you, as you are too blinded. You would never kill your own dog, or your baby, yet there are no differences between them and other animals.

Only a blind man believes himself to see.

As a matter of survival, and as wretching as it could be, I would kill my dog or cat for survival. It is the same as the animal kingdom. Sharks kill their young often.

  • 12.24.2010 5:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: A reely bad bean
If you are Christian, God put animals on the earth for a reason. To eat.
If not, then just accept that science created animals for a reason. To eat. Or to help other animals eat so we can eat them, and so on.


It doesn't make it morally correct, Christian or atheist!


According to whose morals? I see nothing wrong with killing animals that were brought into creation for the sole purpose of being devoured. This is not going against anyone's morals but your own, my religion doesn't say to not eat meat, my mother never said to not eat meat, my country never said to not eat meat.


You are so blinded that you cannot see the innocent slaughter of an animal weaker than you as wrong.

Then I cannot argue with you, as you are too blinded. You would never kill your own dog, or your baby, yet there are no differences between them and other animals.


Your dog you feel an emotional attachment to as you would if you took in in any other animal as a member of your family. We have already gone over the whole baby thing.

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I can eat meat with no negative repercussion; therefore, we are designed to eat meat.

Bad argument, just because I can kill someone with a trophy with ease doesn't mean I can buy it in a weapon store. Being able to do something and being designed to do something are two different things.


Negative. If you were designed to do something, you will be able to do it. One is a consequence of the other.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).


But it is an animal product. According to you, we cannot eat animals or animal products because it is bad for us.


I said animals. I'm against killing animals for food, not for squeezing milk out of them.


That's worse. "Morally". The calf is taken from the mother at a young age, so the mother cow still lactates. And then it is milked everyday to keep producing milk. If it is not milked it becomes EXTREMELY painful.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: A reely bad bean
If you are Christian, God put animals on the earth for a reason. To eat.
If not, then just accept that science created animals for a reason. To eat. Or to help other animals eat so we can eat them, and so on.


It doesn't make it morally correct, Christian or atheist!


According to whose morals? I see nothing wrong with killing animals that were brought into creation for the sole purpose of being devoured. This is not going against anyone's morals but your own, my religion doesn't say to not eat meat, my mother never said to not eat meat, my country never said to not eat meat.


You are so blinded that you cannot see the innocent slaughter of an animal weaker than you as wrong.

Then I cannot argue with you, as you are too blinded. You would never kill your own dog, or your baby, yet there are no differences between them and other animals.

Only a blind man believes himself to see.

As a matter of survival, and as wretching as it could be, I would kill my dog or cat for survival. It is the same as the animal kingdom. Sharks kill their young often.


True

  • 12.24.2010 5:17 PM PDT

The smell of sizzling bacon justifies the eating of meat.

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Posted by: spartakus14
I can eat meat with no negative repercussion; therefore, we are designed to eat meat.

Bad argument, just because I can kill someone with a trophy with ease doesn't mean I can buy it in a weapon store. Being able to do something and being designed to do something are two different things.

You mean like how a human can live without meat but they aren't designed too? Hmmmm?

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Posted by: spartakus14
I can eat meat with no negative repercussion; therefore, we are designed to eat meat.

Bad argument, just because I can kill someone with a trophy with ease doesn't mean I can buy it in a weapon store. Being able to do something and being designed to do something are two different things.


You aren't going to survive from eating things unless you are designed to. That's how the human body works. You're counter-argument was terrible.

  • 12.24.2010 5:17 PM PDT