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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
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You say humans aren't made to digest meat,yet you forget that humans weren't made to digest plants at peak efficiency either.


We are much more efficient at eating plants though.

It suggests that we evolved an ability to eat meat, so that we could survive when vegetation is scarce. It's a safety.

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


Precisely

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I can eat meat with no negative repercussion; therefore, we are designed to eat meat.

Bad argument, just because I can kill someone with a trophy with ease doesn't mean I can buy it in a weapon store. Being able to do something and being designed to do something are two different things.

You aren't going to survive from eating things unless you are designed to. That's how the human body works. You're counter-argument was terrible.

I have seen people eat paper clips and have no internal or external problems, does this instantly mean that people are designed to eat paper clips?


No you haven't. You can't see what is happening to their digestive track. Eventually, the paper clips will kill them. Meat won't. It's called Pica.

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I can eat meat with no negative repercussion; therefore, we are designed to eat meat.

Bad argument, just because I can kill someone with a trophy with ease doesn't mean I can buy it in a weapon store. Being able to do something and being designed to do something are two different things.


Negative. If you were designed to do something, you will be able to do it. One is a consequence of the other.


You can run your car on low quality/dirty oil and fuel, but the car will break down quicker. Case in point, consumption of meat is linked to heart disease and crohn's disease...so meat (red meat almost exclusively I suppose) wears down on the body. White meat is good as far as I know I guess.

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A turkey at a turkey farm was allowed birth by the farmer so that later on it would be killed for its meat.


Thanks, you've summed it up for me.

We can play God, because we are capable of doing so.


If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.

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If you want to get technical there are animals out there that eat meat and yeah you could probably put them on a diet without actual meat but just because you can doesn't mean that it is practical or evolutionarily feasible.

Exactly, you could do that but it is not practical at all. Yes humans, can survive without eating meat but that doesn't mean that we aren't omnivores. The same can be said of many other animals. We can and have evolved to be able to eat both meat and plants. A person that eats meat is not any more immoral than a person that doesn't. The fact of the matter is humans have been adapted to be able to eat both, whether you choose to eat it or not is your own discretion but don't go around saying that we are not supposed to eat meat or saying people that do are immoral etc.

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Posted by: spartakus14
I can eat meat with no negative repercussion; therefore, we are designed to eat meat.

Bad argument, just because I can kill someone with a trophy with ease doesn't mean I can buy it in a weapon store. Being able to do something and being designed to do something are two different things.

You aren't going to survive from eating things unless you are designed to. That's how the human body works. You're counter-argument was terrible.

I have seen people eat paper clips and have no internal or external problems, does this instantly mean that people are designed to eat paper clips?

Do they eat paper clips for breakfast, lunch, and dinner?

Obviously not, they can't survive on paper clips, and you have made a point there. Sadly, you haven't made a counter-point. People can do a lot of things, if they do them in small doses, this doesn't mean that people are designed to do these things.

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Posted by: DarkJet7
animals eat meat in the wild, we humans are animals, why can't we do what is natural?


Assuming it is natural (not saying it is) it is still morally wrong.

Animals eat other animals in the wild to survive. It justifies killing them.

We do not need to do that to survive.

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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
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You say humans aren't made to digest meat,yet you forget that humans weren't made to be digest plants at peak efficiency either.



Now that's a nice win.

BTW, what's the -blam!- purpose of a snorting cow if it's not being eaten or giving milk?
Could a cow possibly invent Jet Engines?
Could said cow even communicate with you in hundred years?
Could a damn cow contribute to anything, apart from it's own satisfaction?

No.
Same applies to 99% of the animals most humans eat.

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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
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You say humans aren't made to digest meat,yet you forget that humans weren't made to digest plants at peak efficiency either.


We are much more efficient at eating plants though.

It suggests that we evolved an ability to eat meat, so that we could survive when vegetation is scarce. It's a safety.


That makes no sense. Whatsoever.

Meat is much rare and herder to get than plants. Especially way back when, when to get meat, hunters had to set out, for days or longer, to track the meat. Plants were more readily available( look outside), and it's easy to find and edible plant, and take the seeds to plant it later.

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You're right.

We should be eating humans.

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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
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You say humans aren't made to digest meat,yet you forget that humans weren't made to be digest plants at peak efficiency either.



Now that's a nice win.

BTW, what's the -blam!- purpose of a snorting cow if it's not being eaten or giving milk?
Could a cow possibly invent Jet Engines?
Could said cow even communicate with you in hundred years?
Could a damn cow contribute to anything, apart from it's own satisfaction?

No.
Same applies to 99% of the animals most humans eat.


100% actually

  • 12.24.2010 5:30 PM PDT

What the -blam!- are you talking about? It's called a food chain. The herbivores eat plants.Then, the Carnivores eat Herbivores. We are Omnivores (we eat meats and plants). It's natural that we eat meat you -blam!- ing idiot.

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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
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You say humans aren't made to digest meat,yet you forget that humans weren't made to digest plants at peak efficiency either.


We are much more efficient at eating plants though.

It suggests that we evolved an ability to eat meat, so that we could survive when vegetation is scarce. It's a safety.
YOU STILL HAVN"T PROVIDED ANY SORT OF PROOF THAT WE ARE MORE EFFICIENT AT EATING PLANTS

please please please give me a reliable source.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mr_Christ
A turkey at a turkey farm was allowed birth by the farmer so that later on it would be killed for its meat.


Thanks, you've summed it up for me.

We can play God, because we are capable of doing so.


If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.



Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!

  • 12.24.2010 5:31 PM PDT

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Don't bother posting anymore, the OP is ignoring valid points that destroy his argument.

You're just wasting your time at this point.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
(which is what I think is morally correct).
Oh the contrary, eating meat just happens to be completely consistent with the standards of Objectivist morals/ethics.

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You're right.

We should be eating humans.


I heard we'd taste like pork but better. Ever been burned real bad, so that you smell burning flesh?

Very reminiscent of pork....

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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
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You say humans aren't made to digest meat,yet you forget that humans weren't made to digest plants at peak efficiency either.


We are much more efficient at eating plants though.

It suggests that we evolved an ability to eat meat, so that we could survive when vegetation is scarce. It's a safety.
YOU STILL HAVN"T PROVIDED ANY SORT OF PROOF THAT WE ARE MORE EFFICIENT AT EATING PLANTS

please please please give me a reliable source.


Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)

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Posted by: Murcielago00
If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.

Not necessarily. Humans lasted thousands and thousands of years before switching to agriculture, we don't need to practice our style of agriculture to survive. In fact, our style of agriculture requires more labor than hunting/gathering, so you can't say that anyone else would adopt our style, given the opportunity.

That being said, humans are predatory animals so it is perfectly natural for us to kill other animals for food.

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.

I'd still like a response from the OP about this post, as it basically destroys his morality argument.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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animals eat meat in the wild, we humans are animals, why can't we do what is natural?


Assuming it is natural (not saying it is) it is still morally wrong.

Animals eat other animals in the wild to survive. It justifies killing them.

We do not need to do that to survive.

It's not wrong. You just a butthurt vegetarian.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


It's only morally wrong to YOU. Other people don't seem to think so.

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