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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

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Posted by: Liff Daddy
Don't bother posting anymore, the OP is ignoring valid points that destroy his argument.

You're just wasting your time at this point.


I can only type so fast. I'm trying to respond to as many points as possible.

  • 12.24.2010 5:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mr_Christ
A turkey at a turkey farm was allowed birth by the farmer so that later on it would be killed for its meat.


Thanks, you've summed it up for me.

We can play God, because we are capable of doing so.


If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.



Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


okay, so you now realize all your arguments about us not being designed to eat meat s invalid, we will now crush your point that it is morally wrong. It may be morally wrong to you, but not to me. Everyone is mentally different.

  • 12.24.2010 5:33 PM PDT

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In Life, kill or be killed. That pretty much goes for everything. I personally can't become a vegetarian, I need to eat meat.We, humans are at the top of the food web.

  • 12.24.2010 5:33 PM PDT

Why any of you give a damn about the life choices of other people makes no sense to me.

Stop playing papa bear, and live your own little lives.

  • 12.24.2010 5:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mr_Christ
A turkey at a turkey farm was allowed birth by the farmer so that later on it would be killed for its meat.


Thanks, you've summed it up for me.

We can play God, because we are capable of doing so.


If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.



Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


Says you. My morals say it's morally wrong to not eat meant. For every steak you are not eating, that is a cow's wasted life. Cause if you don't eat it, it goes to waste, and gets thrown out.

I on the other eat it, so it's life was not in vain (thanks for keeping me alive MooCow) and you eat plants. Plants that produce oxygen we need to breathe.

SO i eat the cows which make methane gas when they fart/poo, and you eat plants which make oxygen.

So morally YOU ARE WRONG, cause you are taking my and everyone else's oxygen away and replacing it with stink methane cowfarts.

  • 12.24.2010 5:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Posted by: thegreekboy250
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Posted by: Trace007
You aren't going to survive from eating things unless you are designed to. That's how the human body works. You're counter-argument was terrible.

I have seen people eat paper clips and have no internal or external problems, does this instantly mean that people are designed to eat paper clips?

Do they eat paper clips for breakfast, lunch, and dinner?

Obviously not, they can't survive on paper clips, and you have made a point there. Sadly, you haven't made a counter-point. People can do a lot of things, if they do them in small doses, this doesn't mean that people are designed to do these things.


So you're saying that I'd be able to replace meat in my diet with paper clips?

  • 12.24.2010 5:34 PM PDT

The human element always mucks things up.

It's Christmas eve people, have we nothing better to do?

  • 12.24.2010 5:35 PM PDT


Posted by: JMAN07
Posted by: spartakus14

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Posted by: spartakus14
I can eat meat with no negative repercussion; therefore, we are designed to eat meat.

Bad argument, just because I can kill someone with a trophy with ease doesn't mean I can buy it in a weapon store. Being able to do something and being designed to do something are two different things.


Negative. If you were designed to do something, you will be able to do it. One is a consequence of the other.


You can run your car on low quality/dirty oil and fuel, but the car will break down quicker. Case in point, consumption of meat is linked to heart disease and crohn's disease...so meat (red meat almost exclusively I suppose) wears down on the body. White meat is good as far as I know I guess.


The meat itself doesn't increase the chance of cancer. The conservative agents do.

  • 12.24.2010 5:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.

Come on OP, you can't ignore this post forever.

  • 12.24.2010 5:35 PM PDT

You do know humans are omnivores right? You only compared them to carnivores and herbivores.

  • 12.24.2010 5:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: JMAN07
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


It's only morally wrong to YOU. Other people don't seem to think so.


Majority doesn't make it correct.

No it's morally wrong to lots, most people I speak to are against hunting, and don't like the idea of killing (anything) but they still eat meat because they turn a blind eye because they believe (possibly rightly) that it makes no difference whether they eat it or not.

And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.

  • 12.24.2010 5:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.

Come on OP, you can't ignore this post forever.


yes, please respond with your wonderful words of wisdom.

  • 12.24.2010 5:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
small doses


Posted by: Trace007
replace meat in my diet

Learn to read.

  • 12.24.2010 5:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: JMAN07
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


It's only morally wrong to YOU. Other people don't seem to think so.


Majority doesn't make it correct.

No it's morally wrong to lots, most people I speak to are against hunting, and don't like the idea of killing (anything) but they still eat meat because they turn a blind eye because they believe (possibly rightly) that it makes no difference whether they eat it or not.

And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.


There's no such thing as a "correct" moral choice.

  • 12.24.2010 5:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Heifer whines could be human cries
Closer comes the screaming knife
This beautiful creature must die
This beautiful creature must die
A death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER

And the flesh you so fancifully fry
Is not succulent, tasty or kind
It's death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER

And the calf that you carve with a smile
It is MURDER
And the turkey you festively slice
It is MURDER
Do you know how animals die?


Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
It's not "comforting", cheery or kind
It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench
Of MURDER


It's not "natural", "normal" or kind
The flesh you so fancifully fry
The meat in your mouth
As you savour the flavour
Of MURDER


NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
Oh... and who cares about an animals life? ~Anon
ANIMALS ARE GOD DAMN TASTY



fix'd

  • 12.24.2010 5:38 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: hal0 slay3r661

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
XII CIUTCH IIX

You say humans aren't made to digest meat,yet you forget that humans weren't made to digest plants at peak efficiency either.


We are much more efficient at eating plants though.

It suggests that we evolved an ability to eat meat, so that we could survive when vegetation is scarce. It's a safety.
YOU STILL HAVN"T PROVIDED ANY SORT OF PROOF THAT WE ARE MORE EFFICIENT AT EATING PLANTS

please please please give me a reliable source.


Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)

However that puts humans more into the Omnivore category rather than the Herbivore. We have some Herbivore like traits and some Carnivore like traits. We are not one nor are we the other.

  • 12.24.2010 5:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mr_Christ
A turkey at a turkey farm was allowed birth by the farmer so that later on it would be killed for its meat.


Thanks, you've summed it up for me.

We can play God, because we are capable of doing so.


If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.



Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


Says you. My morals say it's morally wrong to not eat meant. For every steak you are not eating, that is a cow's wasted life. Cause if you don't eat it, it goes to waste, and gets thrown out.

I on the other eat it, so it's life was not in vain (thanks for keeping me alive MooCow) and you eat plants. Plants that produce oxygen we need to breathe.

SO i eat the cows which make methane gas when they fart/poo, and you eat plants which make oxygen.

So morally YOU ARE WRONG, cause you are taking my and everyone else's oxygen away and replacing it with stink methane cowfarts.


you forgot to add /thread

  • 12.24.2010 5:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: hal0 slay3r661

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
XII CIUTCH IIX

You say humans aren't made to digest meat,yet you forget that humans weren't made to digest plants at peak efficiency either.


We are much more efficient at eating plants though.

It suggests that we evolved an ability to eat meat, so that we could survive when vegetation is scarce. It's a safety.
YOU STILL HAVN"T PROVIDED ANY SORT OF PROOF THAT WE ARE MORE EFFICIENT AT EATING PLANTS

please please please give me a reliable source.


Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)
i would like a link to that please. also we do have sharp front teeth,

we have an intestinal track that more resembles that of an omnivore *cough*because thats what we are*cough*
if we were more effeceint at eating plants please tell me why we can't get all of our essential nutrients from plants? if meat is ONLY a safety then why is it required for healthy living.

i think you've got yourself a little backwards here, i at least personally see plants as the back up safety, simply because meat is richer in energy and nutrients and you need less of it.

in case you forgot, link to the information in the post i quoted you from.
thank you.

[Edited on 12.24.2010 5:40 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 5:39 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mr_Christ
A turkey at a turkey farm was allowed birth by the farmer so that later on it would be killed for its meat.


Thanks, you've summed it up for me.

We can play God, because we are capable of doing so.


If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.



Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


Says you. My morals say it's morally wrong to not eat meant. For every steak you are not eating, that is a cow's wasted life. Cause if you don't eat it, it goes to waste, and gets thrown out.

I on the other eat it, so it's life was not in vain (thanks for keeping me alive MooCow) and you eat plants. Plants that produce oxygen we need to breathe.

SO i eat the cows which make methane gas when they fart/poo, and you eat plants which make oxygen.

So morally YOU ARE WRONG, cause you are taking my and everyone else's oxygen away and replacing it with stink methane cowfarts.


If I didn't know better, I'd have thought you were trolling me.

But I'll answer anyway. You cut it's life short, so it's not wasting the cow. You aren't just eating it after it's died and lived it's life. I wouldn't even be against that (what's there to be against?).

I'm ignoring the rest of it, because it's nearly jibberish.

  • 12.24.2010 5:39 PM PDT
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Also, you're not empathizing with animals. You're being judgmental and snooty. you're just using this as an excuse to prove to the world how great and noble you are. This is an ego trip, that only you and those who are on the same type of ego trip could justify and applaud. You take narcissism and turn it into an art form.

All these threads do is make me hate vegetarians, because the ones that argue are such twats.

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You proved yourself wrong!!!

[/i]Majority doesn't make it correct.[/i]

Just cause to you, and others you know (the majority you know) doesn't make you anymore correct.

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Posted by: JMAN07
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


It's only morally wrong to YOU. Other people don't seem to think so.


Majority doesn't make it correct.

No it's morally wrong to lots, most people I speak to are against hunting, and don't like the idea of killing (anything) but they still eat meat because they turn a blind eye because they believe (possibly rightly) that it makes no difference whether they eat it or not.

And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.

  • 12.24.2010 5:40 PM PDT

The goal of life is to make your heartbeat match the beat of the universe, to match your nature with Nature.

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
small doses


Posted by: Trace007
replace meat in my diet

Learn to read.


No matter what size dose, paperclips will not give you nutrients, and no matter the dose, meat will.

We are designed to eat meat. You're argument is still terrible.

  • 12.24.2010 5:42 PM PDT

*scratches nuts*

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.
I don't understand how it is morally wrong to eat something that only exists for food. The meat you buy at the supermarket was raised from day one for the sole purpose of being someones dinner. If it weren't for supply and demand that cow/sheep/pig/chicken would never have been born.

  • 12.24.2010 5:42 PM PDT