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And here. Food for thought. I work in a port town, and in that town is a place where I can go buy live chickens to slaughter myself. Why haven't I don it yet? I know my mom has when she was a lass....

I haven't done it yet, because I can't kill a chicken where I live without nosy neighbors wondering what I'm doing (that and hard to keep a live chicken with you during work).

  • 12.24.2010 5:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Murcielago00
You proved yourself wrong!!!

[/i]Majority doesn't make it correct.[/i]

Just cause to you, and others you know (the majority you know) doesn't make you anymore correct.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


It's only morally wrong to YOU. Other people don't seem to think so.


Majority doesn't make it correct.

No it's morally wrong to lots, most people I speak to are against hunting, and don't like the idea of killing (anything) but they still eat meat because they turn a blind eye because they believe (possibly rightly) that it makes no difference whether they eat it or not.

And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.

Posted by: Murcielago00
You proved yourself wrong!!!

[/i]Majority doesn't make it correct.[/i]

Just cause to you, and others you know (the majority you know) doesn't make you anymore correct.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


It's only morally wrong to YOU. Other people don't seem to think so.


Majority doesn't make it correct.

No it's morally wrong to lots, most people I speak to are against hunting, and don't like the idea of killing (anything) but they still eat meat because they turn a blind eye because they believe (possibly rightly) that it makes no difference whether they eat it or not.

And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.


Your point doesn't counter my point at all. I never implied that they were correct because there were lots of them. That was simply a rebuttal to your point on the majority. It, if anything was slightly off topic.

  • 12.24.2010 5:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: JRWilly007
You do know humans are omnivores right? You only compared them to carnivores and herbivores.

Somehow, this point was missed.

Humans have features of both herbivores and carnivores, because gasp, we're omnivores. The fact that you (OP) think humans are not designed to eat meat is hilarious.

  • 12.24.2010 5:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Thanks, you've summed it up for me.

We can play God, because we are capable of doing so.


If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.



Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


Says you. My morals say it's morally wrong to not eat meant. For every steak you are not eating, that is a cow's wasted life. Cause if you don't eat it, it goes to waste, and gets thrown out.

I on the other eat it, so it's life was not in vain (thanks for keeping me alive MooCow) and you eat plants. Plants that produce oxygen we need to breathe.

SO i eat the cows which make methane gas when they fart/poo, and you eat plants which make oxygen.

So morally YOU ARE WRONG, cause you are taking my and everyone else's oxygen away and replacing it with stink methane cowfarts.


If I didn't know better, I'd have thought you were trolling me.

But I'll answer anyway. You cut it's life short, so it's not wasting the cow. You aren't just eating it after it's died and lived it's life. I wouldn't even be against that (what's there to be against?).

I'm ignoring the rest of it, because it's nearly jibberish.


how is the rest jibberish?. he brings up a valid point. plants take the global warming causing methane that cows produce when they fart and turn it into oxygen, by eating cows we are saving the world, by eating plants you are dooming it

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


It's only morally wrong to YOU. Other people don't seem to think so.


Majority doesn't make it correct.

No it's morally wrong to lots, most people I speak to are against hunting, and don't like the idea of killing (anything) but they still eat meat because they turn a blind eye because they believe (possibly rightly) that it makes no difference whether they eat it or not.

And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.


True... the meat industry is terrible, but life is short, so worrying about animals being killed immorally just doesn't bother all that much... no sense in worrying, just enjoy.

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You do realize that morals vary from person to person? So that wht is morally unacceptable for you, may be completly fine with someone else?

So coming on here, throwing around your morals like your are correct isn't going to help your point.

  • 12.24.2010 5:44 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins

we are Omnivores, the fact that we have canine teeth and require chemicals found in meat, proves that we should eat meat by evolutionary design. plus its tasty

  • 12.24.2010 5:44 PM PDT

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small doses


Posted by: Trace007
replace meat in my diet

Learn to read.

No matter what size dose, paperclips will not give you nutrients, and no matter the dose, meat will.

We are designed to eat meat. You're argument is still terrible.

What are you babbling about, the argument was never about whether or not it gives you nutrients, it was about whether or not being able to do something means that you were built to do it.

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Posted by: Darthbill99
we are Omnivores, the fact that we have canine teeth and require chemicals found in meat, proves that we should eat meat by evolutionary design. plus its tasty
OP seems to be missing this by lightyears.

  • 12.24.2010 5:45 PM PDT

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This thread is just about morals, people. You can't argue that.

Hello, I'm Trace007, and I enjoy eating meat. It sustains me.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX


Majority doesn't make it correct.

No it's morally wrong to lots, most people I speak to are against hunting, and don't like the idea of killing (anything) but they still eat meat because they turn a blind eye because they believe (possibly rightly) that it makes no difference whether they eat it or not.

And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.

Minority doesn't make it correct either. The fact of the matter is that your using your subjective view of morality of why eating meat is wrong and trying to apply it to all people. Which is by definition incorrect since not all people have your same view. Your view on the morality is subjective and is not above any other persons' view.

Furthermore one could argue from a scientific (that is an objective perspective) and say that humans have evolved to be able to eat meat and plants and the nutrients that we gain from both is vital to our survival. Yes you could then argue that we don't have to eat meat to survive but that doesn't mean that it is wrong that we do. Whether you view something as right or wrong is subjective and is irrelevant in an argument since one person can easily say something is right and another say that it is wrong and neither of then will be incorrect. Since their view is subjective and not objective.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.

I believe its the right thing to do. Even if your a vegetarian, your still killing something that living. But my view, its kill or be killed, and that basically goes with a lot of stuff in life.

  • 12.24.2010 5:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
small doses


Posted by: Trace007
replace meat in my diet

Learn to read.

No matter what size dose, paperclips will not give you nutrients, and no matter the dose, meat will.

We are designed to eat meat. You're argument is still terrible.

What are you babbling about, the argument was never about whether or not it gives you nutrients, it was about whether or not being able to do something means that you were built to do it.


You will not survive from eating paperclips! Along with most other materials on the planet! Eating meat WILL sustain you!

How are we NOT designed to eat meat!

  • 12.24.2010 5:47 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mr_Christ
A turkey at a turkey farm was allowed birth by the farmer so that later on it would be killed for its meat.


Thanks, you've summed it up for me.

We can play God, because we are capable of doing so.


If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.



Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


okay, so you now realize all your arguments about us not being designed to eat meat s invalid, we will now crush your point that it is morally wrong. It may be morally wrong to you, but not to me. Everyone is mentally different.


Don't give me that "everyone is different" rubbish.

If it's wrong, it's wrong.

Nobody would dare deny that the Holocaust wasn't wrong, even if in theory you could.

Killing innocent animals for your own desires is wrong, there is no way that can be argued.

And I still haven't been beaten with the not being designed to eat meat argument. I see nothing to invalidate my points (I'm not saying I've invalidated everyone else completely either).

  • 12.24.2010 5:47 PM PDT

This thread is done. All posts giving reason to eating vegetables have been defeated. We gave absolute proof that animal slaughter is necessary to survival. There are no more arguments for being vegetarian.

Stop here PLEASE.

  • 12.24.2010 5:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX


Thanks, you've summed it up for me.

We can play God, because we are capable of doing so.


If a lion, shark, crocodile, and ALL the other predators, IF they ALL knew how to keep their prey in a penned in area, being able to make and produce as much as they want in order to eat they would. They just can't, but given the chance they would.



Doesn't change my point.

Who are we to decide to play God? We choose what lives or dies, I suppose considering the fact that we are just animals too, this is natural, but it is still morally wrong!


okay, so you now realize all your arguments about us not being designed to eat meat s invalid, we will now crush your point that it is morally wrong. It may be morally wrong to you, but not to me. Everyone is mentally different.


Don't give me that "everyone is different" rubbish.

If it's wrong, it's wrong.

Nobody would dare deny that the Holocaust wasn't wrong, even if in theory you could.

Killing innocent animals for your own desires is wrong, there is no way that can be argued.

And I still haven't been beaten with the not being designed to eat meat argument. I see nothing to invalidate my points (I'm not saying I've invalidated everyone else completely either).


You're an idiot.

  • 12.24.2010 5:48 PM PDT
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If killing an INNOCENT animal is wrong, than what pray tell is a GUILTY animal?

Everyone is different. Get it through your head.

What is wrong for one person, is not necessarily wrong for another.

Get off your high horse.

  • 12.24.2010 5:49 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain


Because the idea that we are going to eat the plants away is absolutely ridiculous. Whether we stopped eating meat or not, it makes no difference.

Posted by: DarkJet7
how is the rest jibberish?. he brings up a valid point. plants take the global warming causing methane that cows produce when they fart and turn it into oxygen, by eating cows we are saving the world, by eating plants you are dooming it

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Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Why any of you give a damn about the life choices of other people makes no sense to me.

Stop playing papa bear, and live your own little lives.


Indeed. There seems to be this odd philosophical strain of both trying to protect sets of beliefs and their underlying principles as a set of relativistic concerns, while simultaneously haranguing anyone whose lifestyle is in opposition to one's own.

I've read through much of the debate about man's "nature" in this thread, and I have not seen any real reason why humanity is not originally designed for the consumption of meat. Frankly, I have always thought and still think that any argument that begins from this hypothesis will end in failure.

I think there is always space for the argument "do we need to eat meat anymore," and ethical issues can be brought into play.

The only suitable reasoning I have ever found for the vegetarian position is the one posited by Peter Singer, which is what I think most other vegetarians use to support their choice. It mainly begins from a utilitarian consideration, maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain, and then works to try and include animals within the bounds of beings that have an equal right to consideration. I find the argument compelling, and though I don't agree with it, since I'm not a utilitarian, I can at least see where vegetarians are coming from.

If anyone actually wanted to get anywhere, it might be more useful to discuss something, like, say, whether the pleasures and pains of animals should be considered, and how much, and trying to move from there. Starting from positions of "Meat is Murder" and "Meat is Yummy" will accomplish nothing.

  • 12.24.2010 5:49 PM PDT

ill stop eating meat when it stops tasting delicious

  • 12.24.2010 5:50 PM PDT

*scratches nuts*

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Killing innocent animals for your own desires is wrong, there is no way that can be argued.
Survival isn't a desire, it's a necessity.

  • 12.24.2010 5:50 PM PDT

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Don't give me that "everyone is different" rubbish.

If it's wrong, it's wrong.

Nobody would dare deny that the Holocaust wasn't wrong, even if in theory you could.

Killing innocent animals for your own desires is wrong, there is no way that can be argued.

And I still haven't been beaten with the not being designed to eat meat argument. I see nothing to invalidate my points (I'm not saying I've invalidated everyone else completely either).


don't give me the wrong is wrong rubbish.

people are different and there is no denying that.

our morals =/= your morals

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

Because the idea that we are going to eat the plants away is absolutely ridiculous. Whether we stopped eating meat or not, it makes no difference.

Posted by: DarkJet7
how is the rest jibberish?. he brings up a valid point. plants take the global warming causing methane that cows produce when they fart and turn it into oxygen, by eating cows we are saving the world, by eating plants you are dooming it


So if eating/not eating meat makes no difference, why come on here coming across that eating meat is inefficient/immoral and that we should change?

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Dear God, why are you all still bothering? It's obvious that this idiot is too blinded by his own self-righteousness to see reason. You just can't debate with people like this.

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