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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

Don't give me that "everyone is different" rubbish.

If it's wrong, it's wrong.

Nobody would dare deny that the Holocaust wasn't wrong, even if in theory you could.

Killing innocent animals for your own desires is wrong, there is no way that can be argued.

And I still haven't been beaten with the not being designed to eat meat argument. I see nothing to invalidate my points (I'm not saying I've invalidated everyone else completely either).

-blam!-s would beg to differ and say that the Holocaust's only bad point was that they didn't finish the job.

To your not being designed to eat meat point: we aren't designed to eat vegetation either then. We are OMNIVORES.

[Edited on 12.24.2010 5:51 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 5:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mr_Christ
This thread is done. All posts giving reason to eating vegetables have been defeated. We gave absolute proof that animal slaughter is necessary to survival. There are no more arguments for being vegetarian.

Stop here PLEASE.


It's not necessary to survival, not at all.

How many vegatarians do you know that survive? Proof that you don't meat.

How many people who consist on a diet of solely meat.

That is proof that meat is not needed, and that vegetables are.

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Humans have been eating meat for thousands of years.
We're Omnivores. Just how it is.

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Dear God, why are you all still bothering? It's obvious that this idiot is too blinded by his own self-righteousness to see reason. You just can't debate with people like this.

I am just trying to kill time until tomorrow.

  • 12.24.2010 5:54 PM PDT

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I have a joke for y'all

How many PETA members does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. None, PETA can't change anything.

Seriously though, I'm going to eat meat and enjoy it.

Also, look at every vegetarian/vegan, they are all weak, scrawny and anemic. They usually have medical issues as well.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the B12 argument, it can be found in Dairy products.

So it's not needed for a vegetarian lifestyle (which is what I think is morally correct).


So now you're turning this from an efficiency argument into a morality one?

This is pointless.


I can keep quoting...

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.

I believe its the right thing to do. Even if your a vegetarian, your still killing something that living. But my view, its kill or be killed, and that basically goes with a lot of stuff in life.


They aren't about to kill you though.

  • 12.24.2010 5:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mr_Christ
This thread is done. All posts giving reason to eating vegetables have been defeated. We gave absolute proof that animal slaughter is necessary to survival. There are no more arguments for being vegetarian.

Stop here PLEASE.


It's not necessary to survival, not at all.

How many vegatarians do you know that survive? Proof that you don't meat.

How many people who consist on a diet of solely meat.

That is proof that meat is not needed, and that vegetables are.
How many vegetarians do I know that take dietary supplements because of their lifestyle? 13

How many vegetarians do I know? 13.

We need both meat and veges to survive, hence being omnivores.

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How many people who consist on a diet of solely meat.
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mr_Christ
This thread is done. All posts giving reason to eating vegetables have been defeated. We gave absolute proof that animal slaughter is necessary to survival. There are no more arguments for being vegetarian.

Stop here PLEASE.


It's not necessary to survival, not at all.

How many vegatarians do you know that survive? Proof that you don't meat.

How many people who consist on a diet of solely meat.

That is proof that meat is not needed, and that vegetables are.

Just because something is not needed does it make it wrong to do.

Regardless we are omnivores.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.

I believe its the right thing to do. Even if your a vegetarian, your still killing something that living. But my view, its kill or be killed, and that basically goes with a lot of stuff in life.


They aren't about to kill you though.


and neither is a baby chicken or a calf

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.

I believe its the right thing to do. Even if your a vegetarian, your still killing something that living. But my view, its kill or be killed, and that basically goes with a lot of stuff in life.


They aren't about to kill you though.


I fail to see your argument. If you're saying since animals don't try to kill you and thus we shouldn't eat them, that logic can easily be applied to plants which are far less threatening than an animal.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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1. and do you advocate eating plant based products without garnishes?
2. we are evolved to eat meat. our teeth are designed for cutting into it (canines / incisors), our stomachs contain pepsin, an enzyme which breaks down proteins, and the squirt of enzymes in the pancreas also contain protein breakers.
3. that was supposed to be a poem? song lyric? regardless, it is total crap.

Can you eat meat raw and stay healthy?


Completely owned.


The only reason you can't eat meat raw is due to the parasites/bacteria that can exist in the meat. In the North, they eat raw seal all the time because parasites can survive in the environment so its safe to eat.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.



What in the -blam!-? Not designed to, yet we're still able to eat meat while our digestive system is able to disgest it? Please, refer to your canine teeth.

Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUQG9PhDNnk

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And honestly, I still believe that most people here are trying to justify meat eating, even though they know that it is morally wrong to kill another animal, simply to satiate his/her desires.

I believe its the right thing to do. Even if your a vegetarian, your still killing something that living. But my view, its kill or be killed, and that basically goes with a lot of stuff in life.


They aren't about to kill you though.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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XII CIUTCH IIX

You say humans aren't made to digest meat,yet you forget that humans weren't made to digest plants at peak efficiency either.


We are much more efficient at eating plants though.

It suggests that we evolved an ability to eat meat, so that we could survive when vegetation is scarce. It's a safety.
YOU STILL HAVN"T PROVIDED ANY SORT OF PROOF THAT WE ARE MORE EFFICIENT AT EATING PLANTS

please please please give me a reliable source.


Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)


Wow, so wrong on so many levels.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Mr_Christ
This thread is done. All posts giving reason to eating vegetables have been defeated. We gave absolute proof that animal slaughter is necessary to survival. There are no more arguments for being vegetarian.

Stop here PLEASE.


It's not necessary to survival, not at all.

How many vegatarians do you know that survive? Proof that you don't meat.

How many people who consist on a diet of solely meat.

That is proof that meat is not needed, and that vegetables are.

How many of those vegetarians also take vitamin supplements to fill the gaps in their nutrition? how many of those supplements contain nutrients found only in animals (B12). Vegetarians are usually paler and smaller than omnivorous people, that's not natural. We have canine teeth to help us tear at meat. We have hunting instincts, not grazing instincts.

We are made for both.

  • 12.24.2010 5:58 PM PDT

Loose talk is noose talk.

If you trust in science, humans have been eating meat since -blam!- habilis, or roughly 2 million years. We have evolved to eat meat. Perhaps not the overly greasy double greasy bacon burger with extra bacon, but a sirloin doesn't hurt.

You can become a vegetarian, but like I said, eating meat has been a habit for 2 million years. You can choose to go against instinct, but it'd be better to stay the course.

Also, humans have proven themselves to be superior to animals. Thus, by the only law of nature (anarchy) we have a natural right to do whatever we want to them. If unicorns suddenly became self-aware, we'd be -blam!-. Until then, let's just enjoy -blam!- them.

  • 12.24.2010 5:58 PM PDT

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well seeing as a "human" requires meat to live, or products that have the same nutrients (protein? i cant remember)is a perfectly valid reason to eat meat.

  • 12.24.2010 5:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.

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I'm not going to lie, I just finished eating a McChicken on the way home from my Grandmothers house (where my family and I ate some summer sausage) and before we went to church we ate meatballs.

I've never felt the need to "justify" eating meat. I just do it because I like it.

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I have a joke for y'all

How many PETA members does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. None, PETA can't change anything.

Seriously though, I'm going to eat meat and enjoy it.

Also, look at every vegetarian/vegan, they are all weak, scrawny and anemic. They usually have medical issues as well.


What the hell are you talking about? That stereotype is almost completely untrue. Vegetarians/vegans are quite healthy and normal... people who are "weak" obviously are not doing it right.

And I know, I was vegetarian for most of my life, grew to almost 6 foot 3, normal. I have a friend who is vegetarian and emanates testosterone from his every pore lol, been vegetarian his whole life.

So don't stereotype.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

Are you aware of the definition of subjectivity?

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Don't give me that "everyone is different" rubbish.

If it's wrong, it's wrong.

Nobody would dare deny that the Holocaust wasn't wrong, even if in theory you could.

Killing innocent animals for your own desires is wrong, there is no way that can be argued.

And I still haven't been beaten with the not being designed to eat meat argument. I see nothing to invalidate my points (I'm not saying I've invalidated everyone else completely either).


You seem to be missing the point that people ARE arguing it. You keep going back to the point of humans killing humans, WE ARE OFF THAT, we discussed that, you lost.

Desires and needs are different. WE NEED to eat meat even though we DESIRE it as well.

no. It is wrong to YOU, not me. I've killed an animal and ate it. I don't think its wrong yet ur all like O_O therefore, what is wrong to you is not wrong to me, you cannot instill your morals into everyone else. Morality is personal.

By the way, respond to this please

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the B12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If we weren't a smart enough species to come up with supplemental pills, we WOULD need to kill for survival.

You're points are just based on morals, which cannot hold an argument. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

  • 12.24.2010 6:01 PM PDT