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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


Stop with your butthurtness. Why did you need to bring this retardation to the Flood? You're just trying to tell us what you think is the best way to go, when most people love eating meat. Meat is better than vegetarianism.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If we weren't a smart enough species to come up with supplemental pills, we WOULD need to kill for survival.


But now that we have, we don't need to kill for survival.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If killing a cow is not necessary then how do I get my steaks and burgers and ribs and all other delicious cow products?

And like I said before cow milking is also "morally" bad if you want to believe that seperating a calf from its mother, so the mother can be subjected to utter pain until the diary farmer comes to milk her.

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I have a joke for y'all

How many PETA members does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. None, PETA can't change anything.

Seriously though, I'm going to eat meat and enjoy it.

Also, look at every vegetarian/vegan, they are all weak, scrawny and anemic. They usually have medical issues as well.


What the hell are you talking about? That stereotype is almost completely untrue. Vegetarians/vegans are quite healthy and normal... people who are "weak" obviously are not doing it right.

And I know, I was vegetarian for most of my life, grew to almost 6 foot 3, normal. I have a friend who is vegetarian and emanates testosterone from his every pore lol, been vegetarian his whole life.

So don't stereotype.


1. Sister is sitting right next to me, shes a vegetarian, shes anemic because of it. Shes takes supplements just because she wants to be "Morally right"

2. I know you're lying through your teeth seeing as someone can't be a vegetarian their entire life. Unless even as a baby and child their parents gave them only vegetarian food. Which by the way, wouldn't happen, in fact a child was recently taken from parents who were doing just that. It counted as child abuse.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If killing a cow is not necessary then how do I get my steaks and burgers and ribs and all other delicious cow products?

And like I said before cow milking is also "morally" bad if you want to believe that seperating a calf from its mother, so the mother can be subjected to utter pain until the diary farmer comes to milk her.


Sorry man, i tried to get him to notice the post, but he dodges the utter trueness of it.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If we weren't a smart enough species to come up with supplemental pills, we WOULD need to kill for survival.


But now that we have, we don't need to kill for survival.


Do you have selective vision? You left out the other half of my post.



Posted by: Trace007
You're points are just based on morals, which cannot hold an argument. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If we weren't a smart enough species to come up with supplemental pills, we WOULD need to kill for survival.


But now that we have, we don't need to kill for survival.


Also, vegetarians eat plants, which produce Oxygen. When you eat all those plants, you are killing the Earth faster, when we kill animals which produce CO2 with their poop, burps, and farts, we are helping mother Earth.

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Another good reason I dont believe someone has mentioned...
If no one ate meat, the world would be over populated. E.x. Deer. I live in Illinois and around the time of May deer have repopulated and are out of control. IF we let them keep doing that instead of killing them for game/food they would just die of disease and suffer. Same goes for all other animals.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.

Milking a cow isn't necessary so why is that ok? Clothes aren't necessary because we can move to the equator and live there. Cars aren't necessary we can walk. Skyscrapers aren't necessary we don't need buildings. Computers aren't necessary we can live perfectly fine without them. Eating meat isn't necessary veggies can be put in its place.
Why do we still have all of these unnecessary things in our life? We don't NEED these things but you aren't trying to throw all of these away.

  • 12.24.2010 6:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If killing a cow is not necessary then how do I get my steaks and burgers and ribs and all other delicious cow products?

And like I said before cow milking is also "morally" bad if you want to believe that seperating a calf from its mother, so the mother can be subjected to utter pain until the diary farmer comes to milk her.


Why does it need to be separated? Where are you getting this stuff from?

And, like I said, it doesn't need to be killed, because you don't need meat anymore.

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small doses


Posted by: Trace007
replace meat in my diet

Learn to read.

No matter what size dose, paperclips will not give you nutrients, and no matter the dose, meat will.

We are designed to eat meat. You're argument is still terrible.

What are you babbling about, the argument was never about whether or not it gives you nutrients, it was about whether or not being able to do something means that you were built to do it.

You will not survive from eating paperclips! Along with most other materials on the planet! Eating meat WILL sustain you!

How are we NOT designed to eat meat!

Hah, you're really getting worked up aren't you? Here's something you missed in your internet induced rage, I never once said we aren't designed to eat meat. All I said was being able to do something =/= designed to do something.

Stop assuming things, you're embarrassing yourself.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If we weren't a smart enough species to come up with supplemental pills, we WOULD need to kill for survival.


But now that we have, we don't need to kill for survival.

It's cute how you edited his post and ignored:

"You're points are just based on morals, which cannot hold an argument. Therefore, your argument is invalid."

[Edited on 12.24.2010 6:07 PM PST]

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Poor OP. Basing arguments on a set of morals isn't the best idea. Humans are omnivores; meat has proteins that our body needs to stay healthy.

Not to de-rail the thread, but would you accept a Christian's belief that abortion is wrong simply because "the Bible says so?" Would you promote said belief? No? This is reaching further than necessary for this argument, but the same concept applies; morals and belief systems don't dictate (or trump) reality.

[Edited on 12.24.2010 6:08 PM PST]

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Another good reason I dont believe someone has mentioned...
If no one ate meat, the world would be over populated. E.x. Deer. I live in Illinois and around the time of May deer have repopulated and are out of control. IF we let them keep doing that instead of killing them for game/food they would just die of disease and suffer. Same goes for all other animals.


and i am proud to be on the the people that live in illinios that help regulate the population, thus contradicting you argument about morality.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If we weren't a smart enough species to come up with supplemental pills, we WOULD need to kill for survival.


But now that we have, we don't need to kill for survival.

It's cute how you edited his post and ignored:

"You're points are just based on morals, which cannot hold an argument. Therefore, your argument is invalid."


I did that, because I am replying to one point at a time. Currently, this thread has become a bit of a mess. I'm going to re-write a summary of my points.

  • 12.24.2010 6:09 PM PDT

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please post the link i asked for previously, ive asked nicely 3 times for it, if you can't provide a reliable source other than your own imagination i nor most of the sane people in this thread can take you or your arguments seriously.

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And how do you suppose they get the milk from A MOTHER if her BABY is still there to feed? Dairy farmers seperate calves from mothers, to get milking cows. Source: dairy farmers from a class trip way back when in grade school.

And we DEFINITELY DO NOT I repeat DO NOT need to drink milk. We are the only animals that drink milk 1) after being weaned and 2) drink milk of ANOTHER SPECIES!!!

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If killing a cow is not necessary then how do I get my steaks and burgers and ribs and all other delicious cow products?

And like I said before cow milking is also "morally" bad if you want to believe that seperating a calf from its mother, so the mother can be subjected to utter pain until the diary farmer comes to milk her.


Why does it need to be separated? Where are you getting this stuff from?

And, like I said, it doesn't need to be killed, because you don't need meat anymore.

  • 12.24.2010 6:10 PM PDT

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If you dont want to eat meat, then dont eat it, but dont force your views on us. And by the way there are tons of anatomical reasons why humans should eat meat, or at least are designed to. we have canine teeth, powerful digestive systems built to break down muscle fibers, and an apendix that-when it was necessary- assisted in the digestion. the only reason it doesnt work now is because we cook our food.

[Edited on 12.24.2010 6:11 PM PST]

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If you dont want to eat meat, then dont eat it, but dont force your views on us. And by the way there are tons of anatomical reasons why humans should eat meat, or at least are designed to. we have canine teeth, powerful digestive systems built to break down muscle fibers, and an apendix that-when it was necessary- assisted in the digestion. the only reason it doesnt work now is because we cook our food.


If you Wiki appendix, it says it was to help in digestion of PLANT matter. Leaves mostly I think it said. So reason it wouldn't work now, is cause we don't need to eat leaves.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Returning to the D12 argument, the OP brought up dairy products, and is now talking about morality.

So, OP, you are perfectly fine with capturing cows, strapping them up to machines, and ultimately making there lives boring, gray, and mechanical, but as soon as one cow dies OH SNAP THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG.


There is a clear cut line with killing, unless it's for survival (which it isn't) then it's wrong.

But firstly, it is for survival, you need B12, and this is the most ethical way to get it.

And secondly, the way an animal is treated is important, and not all animals are treated badly, (whether being killed or not). So, when it is possible, you treat the cow as well as possible. Milking a cow isn't ideal, but it is necessary, unlike killing a cow.


If killing a cow is not necessary then how do I get my steaks and burgers and ribs and all other delicious cow products?

And like I said before cow milking is also "morally" bad if you want to believe that seperating a calf from its mother, so the mother can be subjected to utter pain until the diary farmer comes to milk her.


Why does it need to be separated? Where are you getting this stuff from?

And, like I said, it doesn't need to be killed, because you don't need meat anymore.
Kid, I grew up on a dairy farm. You need to separate the calf from the cow because the cow only makes enough milk for the calf to drink. If you left the calf on the cow there would be absolutely nothing left to actually milk, rendering entire farms inefficient and useless.

Edit because of stupid spellcheck putting the wrong word at the top.

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There is one word that will make every vegetarian, vegan, or hippie think again about their decision to not eat meat. Bacon.

I eat meat. I enjoy eating meat. You don't? Good for you. Telling me I can't eat meat? Go -blam!- die.

yeah, -blam!- off vegatarians, do something more productive.

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I have a joke for y'all

How many PETA members does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. None, PETA can't change anything.

Seriously though, I'm going to eat meat and enjoy it.

Also, look at every vegetarian/vegan, they are all weak, scrawny and anemic. They usually have medical issues as well.


What the hell are you talking about? That stereotype is almost completely untrue. Vegetarians/vegans are quite healthy and normal... people who are "weak" obviously are not doing it right.

And I know, I was vegetarian for most of my life, grew to almost 6 foot 3, normal. I have a friend who is vegetarian and emanates testosterone from his every pore lol, been vegetarian his whole life.

So don't stereotype.


1. Sister is sitting right next to me, shes a vegetarian, shes anemic because of it. Shes takes supplements just because she wants to be "Morally right"

2. I know you're lying through your teeth seeing as someone can't be a vegetarian their entire life. Unless even as a baby and child their parents gave them only vegetarian food. Which by the way, wouldn't happen, in fact a child was recently taken from parents who were doing just that. It counted as child abuse.


You think I'm lying? Tell your sister to eat better food substitutes for meat... do research. Being vegetarian isn't hard and you shouldn't be less healthy.

And I know a bunch of people who have grown up vegetarian, I have friends and even family who are... I don't know what else to say. Read up on vegetarianism, a lot of people do it and some are even healthier because of it.

And "child abuse"? Those are extreme cases, doesn't happen to everyone... never heard of that happening unless, again, the parent(s) weren't giving the baby a proper vegetarian diet.

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What are you babbling about, the argument was never about whether or not it gives you nutrients, it was about whether or not being able to do something means that you were built to do it.

You will not survive from eating paperclips! Along with most other materials on the planet! Eating meat WILL sustain you!

How are we NOT designed to eat meat!

Hah, you're really getting worked up aren't you? Here's something you missed in your internet induced rage, I never once said we aren't designed to eat meat. All I said was being able to do something =/= designed to do something.

Stop assuming things, you're embarrassing yourself.


Are you trying to "dun moch" me or something? I'm hardly worked up.

Anyway, if you never said we weren't designed to eat meat, then what the hell WHERE you implying?

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Bad argument, just because I can kill someone with a trophy with ease doesn't mean I can buy it in a weapon store. Being able to do something and being designed to do something are two different things.

  • 12.24.2010 6:16 PM PDT

Actually are bodies are designed to, you know those pointy teeth you have? well thats for eating meat.

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