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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Let me re-summarise my points.

Humans do not need to eat meat

Natural diets aside, in the OP, I said they don't need to eat meat. This is true, possibly because of scientific advances, possibly naturally. It is an indisputable fact that meat is not a necessary part of the diet in the modern day and age.

This is proven by the existance of vegetarians. You aren't going to deny they exist are you?

Eating meat is wrong

In the OP, I said it's wrong to eat meat.

Since meat is not needed for our survival (us being First World people) then the only reason we eat meat is for our own selfish desires.

You can tell me that this is subjective and that some people think it's fine, so then maybe it is, but everyone here (or almost everyone here) can tell me that it's not murder? And it's not wrong to kill for your own desires.

Don't pretend that if some higher power came along and herded you into a pen and starting slaughtering you that you'd just think, "Hey, it's ok, they are superior after all".

  • 12.24.2010 6:16 PM PDT

I got these cheeseburgers man....

Do you know how long people have been eating animals for? Neither do i, but, a long time, most likely since humanity began. The only thing wrong about killing the animals, is the way we treat them before we kill them.

  • 12.24.2010 6:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I did that, because I am replying to one point at a time. Currently, this thread has become a bit of a mess. I'm going to re-write a summary of my points.


This thread HAS no point.

  • 12.24.2010 6:17 PM PDT
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You said "food substitutes for meat". That means right there, that if you ate meat, you wouldn't need food "substitutes" or "supplements".


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I have a joke for y'all

How many PETA members does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. None, PETA can't change anything.

Seriously though, I'm going to eat meat and enjoy it.

Also, look at every vegetarian/vegan, they are all weak, scrawny and anemic. They usually have medical issues as well.


What the hell are you talking about? That stereotype is almost completely untrue. Vegetarians/vegans are quite healthy and normal... people who are "weak" obviously are not doing it right.

And I know, I was vegetarian for most of my life, grew to almost 6 foot 3, normal. I have a friend who is vegetarian and emanates testosterone from his every pore lol, been vegetarian his whole life.

So don't stereotype.


1. Sister is sitting right next to me, shes a vegetarian, shes anemic because of it. Shes takes supplements just because she wants to be "Morally right"

2. I know you're lying through your teeth seeing as someone can't be a vegetarian their entire life. Unless even as a baby and child their parents gave them only vegetarian food. Which by the way, wouldn't happen, in fact a child was recently taken from parents who were doing just that. It counted as child abuse.


You think I'm lying? Tell your sister to eat better food substitutes for meat... do research. Being vegetarian isn't hard and you shouldn't be less healthy.

And I know a bunch of people who have grown up vegetarian, I have friends and even family who are... I don't know what else to say. Read up on vegetarianism, a lot of people do it and some are even healthier because of it.

And "child abuse"? Those are extreme cases, doesn't happen to everyone... never heard of that happening unless, again, the parent(s) weren't giving the baby a proper vegetarian diet.

  • 12.24.2010 6:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: SuicidalSplatter
Do you know how long people have been eating animals for? Neither do i, but, a long time, most likely since humanity began. The only thing wrong about killing the animals, is the way we treat them before we kill them.


And that we kill them, playing God and ending their lives early.

  • 12.24.2010 6:18 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Heifer whines could be human cries
Closer comes the screaming knife
This beautiful creature must die
This beautiful creature must die
A death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER

And the flesh you so fancifully fry
Is not succulent, tasty or kind
It's death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER

And the calf that you carve with a smile
It is MURDER
And the turkey you festively slice
It is MURDER
Do you know how animals die?


Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
It's not "comforting", cheery or kind
It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench
Of MURDER


It's not "natural", "normal" or kind
The flesh you so fancifully fry
The meat in your mouth
As you savour the flavour
Of MURDER


NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
Oh... and who cares about an animals life? ~Anon


As Morrissey once said: "nobody can come up with a good argument for eating animals - nobody can. People as some kind of a joke say, well, 'It's tasty', but it's only tasty once you garnish it and you put salt and pepper, and you cook it, and you have to do 300 things to it to disguise its true taste. If you put garnishes on a chair or fabric, it would probably taste quite nice."

Animals who die for your dinner table die alone, in terror, in sadness and in pain. The killing is merciless and inhumane.

There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.

Just, how do I stop, I suppose you could say I'm addicted.

o'rly?

  • 12.24.2010 6:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I did that, because I am replying to one point at a time. Currently, this thread has become a bit of a mess. I'm going to re-write a summary of my points.


This thread HAS no point.


The point of this thread:

I think eating meat is wrong and I've told you why.

  • 12.24.2010 6:19 PM PDT

You think I'm lying? Tell your sister to eat better food substitutes for meat... do research. Being vegetarian isn't hard and you shouldn't be less healthy.

And I know a bunch of people who have grown up vegetarian, I have friends and even family who are... I don't know what else to say. Read up on vegetarianism, a lot of people do it and some are even healthier because of it.

And "child abuse"? Those are extreme cases, doesn't happen to everyone... never heard of that happening unless, again, the parent(s) weren't giving the baby a proper vegetarian diet.

So you're saying that it is much harder to live without eating meat and you need to carefully make sure that you eat enough of a specific thing? It seems like eating meat would be the way to go there then. Mother Nature would most likely side with the meat eater as well because they wouldn't need specific parts of their diet filled in.

[Edited on 12.24.2010 6:21 PM PST]

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Let me re-summarise my points.

Humans do not need to eat meat

Natural diets aside, in the OP, I said they don't need to eat meat. This is true, possibly because of scientific advances, possibly naturally. It is an indisputable fact that meat is not a necessary part of the diet in the modern day and age.

This is proven by the existance of vegetarians. You aren't going to deny they exist are you?

Eating meat is wrong

In the OP, I said it's wrong to eat meat.

Since meat is not needed for our survival (us being First World people) then the only reason we eat meat is for our own selfish desires.

You can tell me that this is subjective and that some people think it's fine, so then maybe it is, but everyone here (or almost everyone here) can tell me that it's not murder? And it's not wrong to kill for your own desires.

Don't pretend that if some higher power came along and herded you into a pen and starting slaughtering you that you'd just think, "Hey, it's ok, they are superior after all".


Facepalm....

1. many vegetarians/vegans either take supplements or eat food-substitutes for meat. Meat is more efficient at giving them what they need, than soy or some pill.

2. Your opinion on eating meat is wrong is exactly that. AN OPINION>

3. If some higher power came along and herded us into a pen to eat, then you can bet me and most likely everyone that argued against you would be making a plan to escape, because we are HIGHER_THINKING creatures. You can rest assure that if cows/chickens could revolt they would.

  • 12.24.2010 6:22 PM PDT
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Why are people still arguing in this stupid thread, I'm gonna go have some bacon -blam!- you all and your pointless arguing its -blam!- Christmas Eve.

  • 12.24.2010 6:22 PM PDT

The goal of life is to make your heartbeat match the beat of the universe, to match your nature with Nature.

~Joseph Campbell


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I did that, because I am replying to one point at a time. Currently, this thread has become a bit of a mess. I'm going to re-write a summary of my points.


This thread HAS no point.


The point of this thread:

I think eating meat is wrong and I've told you why.


And we've all told you we think eating meat is right and we've told you why.

1 - 1 = 0

  • 12.24.2010 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Let me re-summarise my points.

Humans do not need to eat meat

Natural diets aside, in the OP, I said they don't need to eat meat. This is true, possibly because of scientific advances, possibly naturally. It is an indisputable fact that meat is not a necessary part of the diet in the modern day and age.

This is proven by the existance of vegetarians. You aren't going to deny they exist are you?

Eating meat is wrong

In the OP, I said it's wrong to eat meat.

Since meat is not needed for our survival (us being First World people) then the only reason we eat meat is for our own selfish desires.

You can tell me that this is subjective and that some people think it's fine, so then maybe it is, but everyone here (or almost everyone here) can tell me that it's not murder? And it's not wrong to kill for your own desires.

Don't pretend that if some higher power came along and herded you into a pen and starting slaughtering you that you'd just think, "Hey, it's ok, they are superior after all".


To counter your points shortly

1. Vegans and vegetarians needs to eat supplements made from dead animals to stay alive and healthy

2. Meat/killing animals is needed for our survival therefore this is invalid.

3. Animals are not capable of complex thought. I'm sure if a cow walked up to me and said "hello, my wife was just killed and processed and you ate her last night" i would be like OMFG WE GOTTA STOP THIS but until then what we are doing is morally OK.

  • 12.24.2010 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Murcielago00
You said "food substitutes for meat". That means right there, that if you ate meat, you wouldn't need food "substitutes" or "supplements".


Obviously. But when you become vegetarian, you need to properly readjust your nutrition intake.

Unless, you thought I meant "fake" meat? No that's not what I meant lol.

  • 12.24.2010 6:23 PM PDT

There is not enough room in this thread for the OP and his high horse.
Woah! Easy there girl.

  • 12.24.2010 6:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I did that, because I am replying to one point at a time. Currently, this thread has become a bit of a mess. I'm going to re-write a summary of my points.


This thread HAS no point.


The point of this thread:

I think eating meat is wrong and I've told you why.


And we've all told you we think eating meat is right and we've told you why.

1 - 1 = 0


It was all based on survival. I've shown that meat isn't needed for survival (anymore) so it invalidates your points.

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Candy isn't essential either.

Merry -blam!- Christmas buddy.

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Posted by: JMAN07
Posted by: Murcielago00
You said "food substitutes for meat". That means right there, that if you ate meat, you wouldn't need food "substitutes" or "supplements".


Obviously. But when you become vegetarian, you need to properly readjust your nutrition intake.

Unless, you thought I meant "fake" meat? No that's not what I meant lol.

Ha! Fauxburgers!!

Exactly though. If ya stop eating meat, you need to readjust nutrition intake. Which means eating meat is efficient because lack of meat in a diet, means a whole nutritional intake do-over.

  • 12.24.2010 6:27 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Let me re-summarise my points.

Humans do not need to eat meat

Natural diets aside, in the OP, I said they don't need to eat meat. This is true, possibly because of scientific advances, possibly naturally. It is an indisputable fact that meat is not a necessary part of the diet in the modern day and age.

This is proven by the existance of vegetarians. You aren't going to deny they exist are you?

Eating meat is wrong

In the OP, I said it's wrong to eat meat.

Since meat is not needed for our survival (us being First World people) then the only reason we eat meat is for our own selfish desires.

You can tell me that this is subjective and that some people think it's fine, so then maybe it is, but everyone here (or almost everyone here) can tell me that it's not murder? And it's not wrong to kill for your own desires.

Don't pretend that if some higher power came along and herded you into a pen and starting slaughtering you that you'd just think, "Hey, it's ok, they are superior after all".


To counter your points shortly

1. Vegans and vegetarians needs to eat supplements made from dead animals to stay alive and healthy

2. Meat/killing animals is needed for our survival therefore this is invalid.

3. Animals are not capable of complex thought. I'm sure if a cow walked up to me and said "hello, my wife was just killed and processed and you ate her last night" i would be like OMFG WE GOTTA STOP THIS but until then what we are doing is morally OK.


1. They need to kill the animals to get these supplements? And I'm pretty sure they don't need them.

2. Unless point 1 is proven, then this is invalid.

3. You're telling me, that taking an animals life for lust is ok? No it's not.

  • 12.24.2010 6:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Let me re-summarise my points.

Humans do not need to eat meat

Natural diets aside, in the OP, I said they don't need to eat meat. This is purely because of scientific advances. It is an indisputable fact that meat is not a necessary part of the diet in the modern day and age.

This is proven by the existance of vegetarians. You aren't going to deny they exist are you?


With some brief editing, I have no problem with this premise.

Eating meat is wrong

In the OP, I said it's wrong to eat meat.

Since meat is not needed for our survival (us being First World people) then the only reason we eat meat is for our own selfish desires.


Okay.

You can tell me that this is subjective and that some people think it's fine, so then maybe it is, but everyone here (or almost everyone here) can tell me that it's not murder? And it's not wrong to kill for your own desires.

Don't pretend that if some higher power came along and herded you into a pen and starting slaughtering you that you'd just think, "Hey, it's ok, they are superior after all".


Here's where I, and probably most others, will depart. Even supposing that it is a purely selfish desire, and that it is unnecessary because of scientific advances, I do not view the death of animals as a pain that needs to be taken into account when making moral decisions. My reasoning is not that they don't feel pain, because they do, and as such it is wrong to torture them, but rather that death for animals is a complete end of their existence, and that my pleasure in eating their flesh is greater than the minimized amount of pain that is caused in killing them.

  • 12.24.2010 6:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I did that, because I am replying to one point at a time. Currently, this thread has become a bit of a mess. I'm going to re-write a summary of my points.


This thread HAS no point.


The point of this thread:

I think eating meat is wrong and I've told you why.


And we've all told you we think eating meat is right and we've told you why.

1 - 1 = 0


It was all based on survival. I've shown that meat isn't needed for survival (anymore) so it invalidates your points.


It's not necessarily needed, but it's the path of least resistance. And how does that invalidate my points at all?

Again, this is just a moral argument, which has no point.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

It was all based on survival. I've shown that meat isn't needed for survival (anymore) so it invalidates your points.


And we've all shown that you are on some moral crusade so that invalidates your points.

  • 12.24.2010 6:28 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Let me re-summarise my points.

Humans do not need to eat meat

Natural diets aside, in the OP, I said they don't need to eat meat. This is true, possibly because of scientific advances, possibly naturally. It is an indisputable fact that meat is not a necessary part of the diet in the modern day and age.

This is proven by the existance of vegetarians. You aren't going to deny they exist are you?

Eating meat is wrong

In the OP, I said it's wrong to eat meat.

Since meat is not needed for our survival (us being First World people) then the only reason we eat meat is for our own selfish desires.

You can tell me that this is subjective and that some people think it's fine, so then maybe it is, but everyone here (or almost everyone here) can tell me that it's not murder? And it's not wrong to kill for your own desires.

Don't pretend that if some higher power came along and herded you into a pen and starting slaughtering you that you'd just think, "Hey, it's ok, they are superior after all".


Facepalm....

1. many vegetarians/vegans either take supplements or eat food-substitutes for meat. Meat is more efficient at giving them what they need, than soy or some pill.

2. Your opinion on eating meat is wrong is exactly that. AN OPINION>

3. If some higher power came along and herded us into a pen to eat, then you can bet me and most likely everyone that argued against you would be making a plan to escape, because we are HIGHER_THINKING creatures. You can rest assure that if cows/chickens could revolt they would.


You still won't tell me that killing animals for lust is wrong.

  • 12.24.2010 6:28 PM PDT
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Killing animals for food and killing animals for lust are two different things. If you , sir, fail to see that you are wrong in the head.

  • 12.24.2010 6:29 PM PDT

Everyone report this thread! Why can't I have a plant eating thread when he gets a meat eating one!!!!

  • 12.24.2010 6:32 PM PDT