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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX


He made good points.
No, he made stupid, and ignorant claims about how eating meat is not needed, and didn't present any proof.


Nobody presented proof! It was an argument on logic.
The meat eaters presented proof, you did not, at least not reliable proof.



I never saw any...


O.o

Step 1: Look in mirror
Step 2: Touch the pointy teeth
Step 3: look at a OMNIVORE's mouth
Step 4: Realize that your mouth is similar, to a meat/plant eaters.

  • 12.24.2010 7:19 PM PDT


Posted by: DynastyOfShinho
There will never be a meat shortage! haha! Have you ever seen one of those huge trucks hauling thousands of chickens!? It isn't hard to breed millions upon millions of animals. More humans means more openings for people to breed animals for eating.


1.) Wrong. Not in the near future, but yes, one day there will be if we can't ever colonize another planet. This planet can only hold a stabilized population limit of about 12-15 billion humans potentionally. Think about this for a second... bro.

We have about almost seven billion people in the world now. Or was it eight? I don't remember the exact number. Now think about how many are actually well fed. Think about how much land we actually have in relation to ocean. How much is farmable? Do you know that the more livestock we have the more crops we need to produce to feed them? Do you know the rule of energy passed down from organisms? As in how much energy is given to the cow from the plant, and how much energy is given to the human, from the cow. HINT: It gets smaller as you move up the chain. Hence you have to eat more. Basically if you grow crops, and eat the crops instead of feeding it to something else you have more potential energy as it is cutting out the middle man. (the livestock)

2.) Do you know why we have large truck-loads hauling thousands of pounds of meat? Because that's what our demand is. Thousands upon thousands of lbs of meat are transported all the time to keep up with our demand for meat. Do you know how many countries actually eat meat like most industrialized counties like the US, and the UK? Hardly any. Most countries don't have the ability to feed livestock and eat meat like we do as it is. Think about that in relation to what you said.

3.) More humans, means more demand for meat. Means more crops have to be made to feed said livestock, and then livestock go to the humans as food. But with the rule of energy transfer (aka: basically calories) we won't have that ability to keep up with the demand. Eventually we WILL have to sacrifice our meat eating ways. Why do you think China grows so many crops, and yet they don't have such a large meat-eating base like we do? Not just customs, but the amount of land with as many people as they have can not support a population on meat. Get schooled.

[Edited on 12.24.2010 7:24 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 7:19 PM PDT

The goal of life is to make your heartbeat match the beat of the universe, to match your nature with Nature.

~Joseph Campbell

Alright, I'm done with this thread. It's pointless.

I leave with this.

<THIS IS AN ARGUMENT WHERE ALL POINTS ARE BASED ON MORALITY, THUS, ALL OF THE ARGUMENTS ARE INVALID>

  • 12.24.2010 7:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: tjs0620
Posted by: CHUD CHUFFER1

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: AngrydoG
1. we have forward facing eyes. Very similar to lions, tigers, dogs, cats Etc.

2. We have both canines (used to tear into meat) and molars, used for grinding down grains, veggies, fruits Etc.

3. We have enzymes specifically made to break down meat, as well as plants.

4. Cattle can eat grass, we however cannot, we do not have the enzymes to break down cellulose, (grass as in the kind you see cattle eat, not wheat.)

5. Our body does not reject meat or plants (save a few), we may eat either as we see fit.

so we can either be vegetarians or omnivores. Thats how I see it. And thats how God saw fit to put us as.


I concede the point that we aren't designed to eat meat, but I still stand firm that whether we are designed to or not, we don't have to.

without meat we miss out on protiens and other chemicals to be fully healthy but yes you can live without meat.
We can live without plants to, what's your point?

it is all choice you can be a carnivior, herbovior, or omnivior
but to be fully healthy you need both plants and meats.

  • 12.24.2010 7:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX


I don't know if you ever saw that video a few years back, of the pig that was killed by a chainsaw.

Well, guess what they were convicted of?


So you blanketing all meat-eaters/ food distributors of the same thing?

An isolated incident is hardly a valid point.

And if I saw that video, I would be in the mood for bacon afterwards.

  • 12.24.2010 7:20 PM PDT

I do whatever.

This has to stop. Seriously. Clutch and whoever vegetarians/ vegans out there, we really don't give two -blam!-s that you don't choose to eat meat. We just hate it when you try to project your opinions onto ours and present yourself as superior. This is America. Everyone is equal (at least in terms of rights).

This thread should have died 10 pages ago.

  • 12.24.2010 7:20 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Murcielago00

O.o

Step 1: Look in mirror
Step 2: Touch the pointy teeth
Step 3: look at a OMNIVORE's mouth
Step 4: Realize that your mouth is similar, to a meat/plant eaters.


Dude, that's not any more proof than I presented.

  • 12.24.2010 7:20 PM PDT

Dumb people are just blissfully unaware of how very dumb they are.

3 reasons why meat is O.K

1.It taste good.

2.Why shouldn't we?

3.Its a cycle of life things die,also how do justify eating plant which are just as alive as a cow,chicken or pig.

  • 12.24.2010 7:21 PM PDT
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You are a troll. How are CANINE teeth in YOUR DAMN MOUTH, not proof, that we weren;t desigined to eat meat?

And excuse me for NOT elevating the life of an ANIMAL to the life of a HUMAN.


[Edited on 12.24.2010 7:23 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 7:22 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX


I don't know if you ever saw that video a few years back, of the pig that was killed by a chainsaw.

Well, guess what they were convicted of?


And if I saw that video, I would be in the mood for bacon afterwards.



Makes everything you've said on morality invalid, because you're clearly heartless.

  • 12.24.2010 7:23 PM PDT

Some company called Bungle.
That's an i
Oh right, Bingle.

I like eating meat. You like eating plants.
I will eat meat. You will eat plants.
You will tell me to eat plants. I will eat meat.
You will give me all these facts against eating meat.
I will eat meat.


Do you see where I am going with this? No matter what, in the end, I am going to eat meat.

Now, where's the damn pig?

  • 12.24.2010 7:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX


I don't know if you ever saw that video a few years back, of the pig that was killed by a chainsaw.

Well, guess what they were convicted of?


And if I saw that video, I would be in the mood for bacon afterwards.



Makes everything you've said on morality invalid, because you're clearly heartless.


Yes I'm heartless. To ANIMALS. ANIMALS MEANT TO BE EATEN.

Excuse me for NOT ELEVATING ANIMAL LIFE to that of a HUMAN LIFE.

  • 12.24.2010 7:24 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

O.o

Step 1: Look in mirror
Step 2: Touch the pointy teeth
Step 3: look at a OMNIVORE's mouth
Step 4: Realize that your mouth is similar, to a meat/plant eaters.


Dude, that's not any more proof than I presented.
How so?


It's merely an argument. And I provided counter-arguments, such as the appendix and the fact that for canine teeth, they are very inneffective.

  • 12.24.2010 7:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: TheDemonicBird O
What would justify killing another entity for the purpose of consumption is absolutely subjective. I do believe, though, that such an action is not noble in any sense of the word but is relatively necessary for the survival and peace of humanity, currently, as it is so deeply rooted in our general society.

It trying to take away 'our' beloved products derived from other animals you antagonize general society. We just aren't willing to end the suffering and killing of other entities for our own personal gain at this point in time and doing so would go against the will of billions; violent acts would surely follow as people would feel a great number of ill feelings. The irony of keeping this 'peace' is that, as long as harm is done in any from, its influence will spread through society gaining momentum over time if it is not halted by someone in some from.

It is a very complex problem thus a solution would surely be just as if not even more complex. Pitiful, really.


Fair point, I agree with lots of it.

But it's still wrong, whether society has ruined it or not.

Wrong and right are both relative concepts. They are subjective. Killing any entity is inflicting harm, though, and in doing so the influence of such an act will inevitably condition more harm as there are numerous people throughout the whole of the world that do not have the will to stop such influence, whether it is subjected to themselves or others.

  • 12.24.2010 7:25 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX


I don't know if you ever saw that video a few years back, of the pig that was killed by a chainsaw.

Well, guess what they were convicted of?


And if I saw that video, I would be in the mood for bacon afterwards.



Makes everything you've said on morality invalid, because you're clearly heartless.


Yes I'm heartless. To ANIMALS. ANIMALS MEANT TO BE EATEN.

Excuse me for NOT ELEVATING ANIMAL LIFE to that of a HUMAN LIFE.


It's still life.

  • 12.24.2010 7:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

O.o

Step 1: Look in mirror
Step 2: Touch the pointy teeth
Step 3: look at a OMNIVORE's mouth
Step 4: Realize that your mouth is similar, to a meat/plant eaters.


Dude, that's not any more proof than I presented.
How so?


It's merely an argument. And I provided counter-arguments, such as the appendix and the fact that for canine teeth, they are very inneffective.


Appendix used to process plant matter which invalidates your point and proves ours.

  • 12.24.2010 7:25 PM PDT
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useless

Am I safe then?

  • 12.24.2010 7:25 PM PDT

Some company called Bungle.
That's an i
Oh right, Bingle.


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX


I don't know if you ever saw that video a few years back, of the pig that was killed by a chainsaw.

Well, guess what they were convicted of?


And if I saw that video, I would be in the mood for bacon afterwards.



Makes everything you've said on morality invalid, because you're clearly heartless.


Yes I'm heartless. To ANIMALS. ANIMALS MEANT TO BE EATEN.

Excuse me for NOT ELEVATING ANIMAL LIFE to that of a HUMAN LIFE.


It's still life.


Plants are also alive, you plant murderer...

  • 12.24.2010 7:25 PM PDT

Fortune favors the Bold

Wait, so why shouldnt we eat meat? I know why some people don't want to eat meat, but how does this extend past personal life decisions?

  • 12.24.2010 7:26 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: MrBojangles136

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Heifer whines could be human cries
Closer comes the screaming knife
This beautiful creature must die
This beautiful creature must die
A death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER


The reason is that I'm hungry


Eat a banana.


I do eat bananas

But nothing is better than an ultra rare, bleeding steak

  • 12.24.2010 7:26 PM PDT