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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

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Posted by: Gman5434
Posted by: TheDemonicBird O

Posted by: Gman5434
I see what you're saying and I agree with it but honestly I think we are looking far too deeply into this. For all intents and purposes of this thread one can say that facts are things that are supported by perceived evidence and opinions are based solely on people 'moral view' which cannot be right or wrong since morals cannot be defined with perceived evidence.

One can say this, yes, and in doing so they are introducing bias into this equation as they would be trying to object a relative truth. I understand what I have been explaining is exceptionally deep and ultimately renders this debate meaningless, but that will not stop me from trying to show people the ultimate as understanding it will give one a much broader, more open perspective of this debate or any other. A perspective without bias. (or with much less bias)

Understanding the ultimate does not mean one cannot from a specific preference for certain relative beliefs. It just means one is much more likely to understand where others are coming from in exercising the use of empathy. Which conditions much more efficient debating.

Urgh, you're right. But without established and understood definitions of concepts by both parties this makes every debate more or less meaningless.

ERROR

You broke me congrats. I hope that you're happy, we could have been friends but had to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and...grrrrrrrrr...

CRITICAL ERROR

Ah there isn't any reason as to why we can't still be friends. =]

  • 12.24.2010 9:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: TheDemonicBird O
Ah there isn't any reason as to why we can't still be friends. =]

Emergency self-destruct sequence initiated

[Edited on 12.24.2010 9:23 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 9:22 PM PDT

~Thread-killer~

So... let me get this straight...

Op wants to be a vegetarian due to his sudden distaste of meat.

Either way, you're still killing something to eat it; for vegetarians it is plant life, for omnivores it is both plant and animal, and for the few strict carnivores out here its just animals......

  • 12.24.2010 9:28 PM PDT

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I quit

Great! Now let's make an argument that Lions, bears, or any other beast can't eat any other human or animal!

/sarcasm

  • 12.24.2010 9:38 PM PDT

Yeah? Do I garnish bacon? No, I fry it and eat it, in it's own grease.

It tastes amazing.

  • 12.24.2010 9:42 PM PDT
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What about a newbord child? I'm fairly certain they have no degree of metacognition, does that make it okay to kill them purple because of that?


There's no reason for us to kill newborn childs, as it's not in our nature to be cannibals.

As is not in our nature to eat other creatures.
Oh my god, you ignorant, self-righteous fool. We have goddamn canine teeth and incisors, which are meant to tear meat, which are found on all other carnivorous animals. Oh, and we're animals. Animals eat other animals. HURR DURR make sense yet?

I swear, either you're trolling or you're just an extremely ignorant, self-righteous hipster, which you are, judging from the picture you posted of yourself a while back. Gtfo the internet, and go on being a skinny, greasy, long-haired misfit who contributes nothing to society and whines about animals when you should be caring for the only known SENTIENT species known so far in the Universe. But I'm sure you'll say animals are sentient, too; oh, wait, they don't build fusion reactors, space stations, or even use fire do they, buddy?

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The Yankees have almost as many bandwagon fans as God

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Get ya popcorn and eat the thickest dick if you think I would waste time lyin to any of u.

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Posted by: WyIdfyre

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Posted by: WyIdfyre

What about a newbord child? I'm fairly certain they have no degree of metacognition, does that make it okay to kill them purple because of that?


There's no reason for us to kill newborn childs, as it's not in our nature to be cannibals.

As is not in our nature to eat other creatures.
Oh my god, you ignorant, self-righteous fool. We have goddamn canine teeth and incisors, which are meant to tear meat, which are found on all other carnivorous animals. Oh, and we're animals. Animals eat other animals. HURR DURR make sense yet?

I swear, either you're trolling or you're just an extremely ignorant, self-righteous hipster, which you are, judging from the picture you posted of yourself a while back. Gtfo the internet, and go on being a skinny, greasy, long-haired misfit who contributes nothing to society and whines about animals when you should be caring for the only known SENTIENT species known so far in the Universe. But I'm sure you'll say animals are sentient, too; oh, wait, they don't build fusion reactors, space stations, or even use fire do they, buddy?


Ad hominem

You just look like a massive douche right now.

  • 12.24.2010 9:50 PM PDT

yoo•zel- ('yoo-zhul): slang: vb.

Officium quod Fidelitas.

All I'm going to say is, what a crock of shiz. If you want to be a ninny eating leafy greens then have fun with a defunct immune system and a severe lack of vitamin and minerals. And at that - no supplement pills because they did not have that back in the evolutionary steps.

The only argument I can make against meat is the horrible rearing and regulations across the world. That in itself is animal cruelty in the highest regard. Now once you throw everything back to zero by raising your own crops and animals or even buying locally then you will start to understand that there is beauty in the animals we consume. Then again, most people do not appreciate what they eat but once you have to slaughter what you plan to eat/serve only then can you truly appreciate and pay homage to it.

  • 12.24.2010 10:03 PM PDT
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PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE.

What about the -blam!- plants you damn vegetarians eat? Did you forget they were alive too or what? Just because it doesn't scream when you plucking it from the ground doesn't mean you're not killing it.

Look at nature. You see how balanced everything is? Everything is set on top of everything else so it all works out. Now comes a retard who is going to step up and claim that nature is flawed and THEY, in their 'ultimate wisdom' know a better way for nature to work. He's a vegetarian.

You got to be some kind of arrogant pinhead to think that NATURE doesn't know what the hell it's doing and mr 9-5 day-job here is going to fix it all.

Vegetarians are a bunch of hypocrites who run around demanding that everyone respects nature and at the same time stick their noses up at the food nature has provided them

You don't have the balls to accept the fact that you need to kill to survive so you conveniently forget that pants are alive and call it 'death free' living so you can satisfy yourself that you're better than the rest of us 'murderers'.

If you want to live, you're going to have to kill something else. DEAL WITH IT.

Killing a plant is no different than killing an animal because it's still taking life.

Sometimes plants can live for WEEKS after being taken out of the ground so chances are you're eating plants while they are still alive. I hope you remember that the next time you shove your mouth full of salad.

  • 12.24.2010 10:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kaltyr

Posted by: WyIdfyre

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Posted by: WyIdfyre

What about a newbord child? I'm fairly certain they have no degree of metacognition, does that make it okay to kill them purple because of that?


There's no reason for us to kill newborn childs, as it's not in our nature to be cannibals.

As is not in our nature to eat other creatures.
Oh my god, you ignorant, self-righteous fool. We have goddamn canine teeth and incisors, which are meant to tear meat, which are found on all other carnivorous animals. Oh, and we're animals. Animals eat other animals. HURR DURR make sense yet?

I swear, either you're trolling or you're just an extremely ignorant, self-righteous hipster, which you are, judging from the picture you posted of yourself a while back. Gtfo the internet, and go on being a skinny, greasy, long-haired misfit who contributes nothing to society and whines about animals when you should be caring for the only known SENTIENT species known so far in the Universe. But I'm sure you'll say animals are sentient, too; oh, wait, they don't build fusion reactors, space stations, or even use fire do they, buddy?


Ad hominem

You just look like a massive douche right now.
Ad hominem just because I threw in some insults? I used valid points, and he's the one that's making himself look like a massive douche; I fail to see where you're coming from.

  • 12.24.2010 10:08 PM PDT
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As Morrissey once said: "nobody can come up with a good argument for eating animals - nobody can. People as some kind of a joke say, well, 'It's tasty', but it's only tasty once you garnish it and you put salt and pepper, and you cook it, and you have to do 300 things to it to disguise its true taste. If you put garnishes on a chair or fabric, it would probably taste quite nice."

Animals who die for your dinner table die alone, in terror, in sadness and in pain. The killing is merciless and inhumane.

There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.

Just, how do I stop, I suppose you could say I'm addicted.


Taste is subjective, and there's nothing quite like a good tenderloin or a nice pot of BBQ pulled pork. You don't get those from plants.

Buying local is usually a good way to avoid the mass production of meat and the cruelty that goes along with it. Local farms usually use pretty quick and human ways to kill the animal.

Our bodies are designed to eat meat, considering we are omnivores. However, signs point to us being geared towards a scavenger, and our bodies handle vegetation better than meat.

  • 12.24.2010 10:09 PM PDT

its how the world works, deal with it

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If you're a vegetarian/vegan: Fine. I don't give a flying damn.

If you're a meat-eater: Fine. I am too.

If you think meat should NOT be eaten: I don't care what you think, go to damn school.

If you think you can force your opinions on people: You better hope I don't see you.

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If you think you can force your opinions on people: You better hope I don't see you.

Internet tough guy.

  • 12.24.2010 10:20 PM PDT

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They're killed for eating. Wouldn't really call that no reason.

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If you think you can force your opinions on people: You better hope I don't see you.

Internet tough guy.

Yeah, great. It's just the one thing that gets to me, is people trying to force me to believe their opinions when I don't.

  • 12.24.2010 10:23 PM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
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Posted by: Ryno3
Ad hominem

Only when he relies on the insults as his arguments, when he makes other points the correct term is 'prick'.

  • 12.24.2010 10:24 PM PDT
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Well I just want to play it right...

I'd rather eat meat than have to eat a ton of expensive, bland, large, tasteless, protein pills. Meat is readily available for all and isn't expensive either While those legitimate vitamins (Not the Vitamins you'd find in Walmart etc.) are quite expensive.

  • 12.24.2010 10:31 PM PDT

facepalm

  • 12.24.2010 10:34 PM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

Dude, we were designed to be able to eat meat.

And you're still killing something if you eat plants, so unless you want to die of starvation, you have to kill something.

It's how life works. Deal with it.

  • 12.24.2010 10:45 PM PDT
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I'm trying to become an '04, but it's not working too well."

Why the -blam!- do you need justification?

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Posted by: Lies
The Yankees have almost as many bandwagon fans as God

Posted by: Th1ckestSausag3
Get ya popcorn and eat the thickest dick if you think I would waste time lyin to any of u.

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Posted by: Ryno3
Ad hominem

Only when he relies on the insults as his arguments, when he makes other points the correct term is 'prick'.


Ah

I stand corrected.

  • 12.24.2010 11:00 PM PDT
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Hmm it seems you have a problem. I'm going to stop importing meat from China.

  • 12.24.2010 11:01 PM PDT
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we are omnivores we have to eat meat to live the end.

  • 12.24.2010 11:27 PM PDT