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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

They taste good, and they're not people. (I guess some would debate that last part though). Besides, are all carnivores inhumane then? If animals deserve to be treated as humans, then carnivores should be held to certain moral standards. My thoughts are probably scattered, so don't take me too seriously.

  • 12.25.2010 2:08 AM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Heifer whines could be human cries
Closer comes the screaming knife
This beautiful creature must die
This beautiful creature must die
A death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER

And the flesh you so fancifully fry
Is not succulent, tasty or kind
It's death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER

And the calf that you carve with a smile
It is MURDER
And the turkey you festively slice
It is MURDER
Do you know how animals die?


Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
It's not "comforting", cheery or kind
It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench
Of MURDER


It's not "natural", "normal" or kind
The flesh you so fancifully fry
The meat in your mouth
As you savour the flavour
Of MURDER


NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
Oh... and who cares about an animals life? ~Anon


As Morrissey once said: "nobody can come up with a good argument for eating animals - nobody can. People as some kind of a joke say, well, 'It's tasty', but it's only tasty once you garnish it and you put salt and pepper, and you cook it, and you have to do 300 things to it to disguise its true taste. If you put garnishes on a chair or fabric, it would probably taste quite nice."

Animals who die for your dinner table die alone, in terror, in sadness and in pain. The killing is merciless and inhumane.

There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.

Just, how do I stop, I suppose you could say I'm addicted.
From the dawn of man, we have eaten meat. Our bodies ahve been designed to eat meat. It tastes excellent even without -blam!- allover it. It's natural to eat meat. It's not inhumane unless the person slaughtering the animal is sticking his dick in it's ass.

  • 12.25.2010 2:12 AM PDT

Old fart

It is easier to justify being a vegan if you say that your religion or your doctor tells you to. Then people leave you alone because "you have no choice".

But on the other hand... be a vegan out of compassion for animals and people mock you, insult you, call you a hippie.

I'm glad that there is a thread like this in the Flood. I'm sad, though, that so many are ready to jump against one person who shows a little sense of selfless humanity.

If you choose to eat meat, at least know what the meat industry does to the world and to the animals, and to us. Eating too much meat and sea food can cause gout. Food is too tied to our western cooking traditions so I'm not expecting people to have an open mind about this topic. This shows you how the world still isn't ready to change everything about its habits in the possibility that we can't keep eating the same thing in a hundred or fifty years from now.

  • 12.25.2010 2:19 AM PDT
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You're only able to ask yourself these questions because our ancestors ate meat and were able to get enough protein for their brains to develop. So, what's wrong with meat again?

  • 12.25.2010 2:23 AM PDT

"The definition that life is a roller coaster all changes when your the roller coaster"-Dylan Barbour(me)

I can not stand it when people say that we are not "designed to eat meat", because we ARE. To say that we aren't is completely nonfactual and simply untrue. There is much evidence to this, such as our desire to eat it, our teeth are designed to cut and carve meat. Teeth that are meant for this are called incisors and our k9 teeth. The incisors cut and the k9 tear and rip. Also, to credit evidence, is that we are in need of large amounts of protein, and although you can get it in vegetation,it pails in comparison to the amount you get from meat. Also, to say that it's not "natural", it also completely false. Animals eat meat all the time, both in nature and in captivity. To say its murder, also, makes no sense. Like you said, murder is death for no reason, but you see, the reason for their deaths is to feed us and to keep us healthy. It's called the circle of life. Also, eating vegetation isn't that much morally sound, because plants have sort of nerve endings, and can feel pain, despite not having a brain. Also, from an environmental stand-point, eating meat is much more beneficial to the planet than eating vegetables is, because by eating meat, I'm killing what is creating methane gas in the atmosphere that contributes to global climate change, while eating plants is taking away what could take away all the carbon dioxide in the air. Basically I'm taking away the problem while those who are vegetarians are taking away the solution!

Sooo......basically...I refute all your opinions because they're indisputably WRONG and based on nothing but frivolous and irrational feelings. NOTHING ELSE.

  • 12.25.2010 2:28 AM PDT

Old fart

Posted by: TheMaverick444
You're only able to ask yourself these questions because our ancestors ate meat and were able to get enough protein for their brains to develop. So, what's wrong with meat again?

If you insist.

When I stopped eating meat and preferred getting my protein from cereals I lost ten pounds in the first week. I also got more energy and feel less hungry because I feel generally better about not contributing to the mass-murder of animals, somewhere, sometime.

  • 12.25.2010 2:29 AM PDT

I've realised that I've been expelled from my mother's uterus as if being shot from a canon, towards a barn door covered in rusty hooks and old nail files. It's a matter of how you use the intervening time in an intelligent and ironic way, and try not to do anything dastardly to your fellow creatures.

hurr hurr durr im an OP of one of these threads!
Don't go on planes cause we aint' supposed to fly cause we don't have wings DERP
Don't swimz because we dont have gillz HERP
Don't learn or go to skoolz because we dont already have the knowledge HURR DURR
Don't uze medicines acause we no have natural immunity so we supposed to die from those diseases (im s00ooo0 1337!)
Don't write cause we're not born with -blam!- writing implements attached to us -blam!- -blam!- -blam!-

You get the point...

To the OP (LOL)

  • 12.25.2010 2:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: EnHaz Kim
Posted by: TheMaverick444
You're only able to ask yourself these questions because our ancestors ate meat and were able to get enough protein for their brains to develop. So, what's wrong with meat again?

If you insist.

When I stopped eating meat and preferred getting my protein from cereals I lost ten pounds in the first week. I also got more energy and feel less hungry because I feel generally better about not contributing to the mass-murder of animals, somewhere, sometime.


And why were you able to eat cereal in the first place? Was it because man developed a larger, more efficient brain after eating cooked meat that they were able to eventually develop agriculture and farm grains to make cereals?

  • 12.25.2010 2:37 AM PDT

Old fart

Hey, you know why the world is going to -blam!- in general? Because even though you say we're all animals and animals eat meat, you sure lack that other thing that animals have and that's compassion.

We'll be accused of vegetarian propaganda when you guys will admit that you've got the selfish spoiled brat attitude. Baaah it's Christmas! Let's eat Turkey and ham and have a barbecue every week, as usual, because it's just what we dooo. BS, just grow some balls already and face the fact that you're scared of change.

  • 12.25.2010 2:38 AM PDT

"The definition that life is a roller coaster all changes when your the roller coaster"-Dylan Barbour(me)

Posted by: EnHaz Kim
It is easier to justify being a vegan if you say that your religion or your doctor tells you to. Then people leave you alone because "you have no choice".

But on the other hand... be a vegan out of compassion for animals and people mock you, insult you, call you a hippie.

I'm glad that there is a thread like this in the Flood. I'm sad, though, that so many are ready to jump against one person who shows a little sense of selfless humanity.

If you choose to eat meat, at least know what the meat industry does to the world and to the animals, and to us. Eating too much meat and sea food can cause gout. Food is too tied to our western cooking traditions so I'm not expecting people to have an open mind about this topic. This shows you how the world still isn't ready to change everything about its habits in the possibility that we can't keep eating the same thing in a hundred or fifty years from now.


He wasn't "just showing a little" humanity, because he refutes it by saying that carnivorous behavior is unnatural, which would be part humanity, since humanity is to BE human. Also, you can only get gout if you have that disease. I would know since my dad, grandfather, and family friend all have it. And we can keep eating meat!? We've been doing it since the beginning of humanity in the ice ages. Although I don't agree with the factory farms way of killing and maintaining the animals, and their treatment of them, to say that we can't eat meant as a society is ridiculous! People commonly attack these people because instead of listing good heath reasons that would actually make sense, they say things that don't make any sense like the ones i mentioned in this comment and in my own. To have compassion is one thing, being STUPID is another.

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  • 12.25.2010 2:43 AM PDT

"The definition that life is a roller coaster all changes when your the roller coaster"-Dylan Barbour(me)

lol, you made me fly my rofl copter all around the room, lmao

  • 12.25.2010 2:48 AM PDT

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Posted by; ghostvirus
This apple is brown, and rotten. This orange on the other hand, is in relatively average shape. So the orange is definitely the preferable option.
----------You can't compare apples and oranges. You're so dumb.

I just love, when Vegans make nonsense, faux scientific claims. Like humans didn't evolve to eat meat, and that therefore its unnatural.

Im sure those same people think chimpanzees, only eat bananas.

Humans, like the overwelming majority of apes, are omnivores. We evolved to eat both plants, and animals. For a time, our ancestors might have ate more of the former, and less of the latter, then most of us do. They were still omnivores.

Then we developed hunting tools. We started hunting, and eating more, and more meat. And simultaneously human diet saw an increase in protein intake. And this increase in protein intake, allowed the human brain to increase in size.

In todays society, we have some protein heavy, alternatives, to meat. But that doesn't change the fact meat was an essential part of human evolution.

The fact is, every animal humans regularly consume, have been domesticated for hundreds, even thousands of years. Through breeding, humans have created distinct species of animals, to eat. This proccess of domestication, gave these animals their existence. Without this domestication, the specific animals that we eat, with almost no exeption, would of never existed in the first place. Every mintue of pleasure they might have, in their life time, they owe to a proccess that also demands their envitable death. How can we then say this is immoral? They only exist, because we want to eat them. However, in the meantime, they are free to exist. If we didn't want to eat them, these particular animals would of never existed in the first place.

Ineffect you are saying, it is better to never exist at all. Then to be given an existence, only so years later you can be killed. I disagree. Infact, I think if you accept, thats the implication of what you've said, you would even disagree with yourself.


I strongly support finding more humane ways, to kill lifestock. But as it is now, lifestock die pretty much instantly. I further strongly support organizations that ensure the ethical treatment of lifestock. Making sure they can socialize, roam a little, that they aren't forced to sleep where they defecate, etc.

We give them their existence. We feed them. We give them shelter. Protection from the predators that would threaten them on a daily basis, if they were in the wild. They aren't constantly under threat from the elements, like their ancestors. They don't have to worry about famine, like their ancestors did. We take care of that. And in return, when they reach a ripe age, we take away their life, causing instant death.

I mean really, whats next? Are we going to start campaigning against animal slavery?

Thats not to say, you don't have the right, to become a vegan yourself, however. Thats a personal desision.

But don't make false claims, about anthropology, where you're ignorant. And don't act like you have some insurmountable moral highground, over people who eat meat.

Hey, you know why the world is going to -blam!- in general? Because even though you say we're all animals and animals eat meat, you sure lack that other thing that animals have and that's compassion.

Yeah. Lions, sharks, bears, their compassionate all right.

You really have no clue, what your talking about. Humans have a greater capacity for empathy, than any other species, on the planet. Fact.

Rabbits don't eat mice, because THEY didn't evolve to eat mice. Not because rabbits are compassionate. If Rabbits had evolved, so that eating mice was a possibility, they would, given the opportunity, assuming that they were hungry.

A rabbit will still eat a carrot, infront of another rabbit that is starving to death. Because theres scarcely any animals in the wild, with enough compassion, to surpass even your average human sociopath in that category.

And your statement about the world is a laugh. Everyone knows, that in most ways, the world is better off now, than ever. The poor of today, live like the kings of yesterday. Only those that suffer the most, suffer as much as those from centuries past. But the percentage of people in that category has gone way down. We still have a lot of room to improve, for sure. But this whole, "doomsday is imminent" mentality, is out of touch with the facts.





[Edited on 12.25.2010 3:19 AM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 2:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: EnHaz Kim
Hey, you know why the world is going to -blam!- in general? Because even though you say we're all animals and animals eat meat, you sure lack that other thing that animals have and that's compassion.

We'll be accused of vegetarian propaganda when you guys will admit that you've got the selfish spoiled brat attitude. Baaah it's Christmas! Let's eat Turkey and ham and have a barbecue every week, as usual, because it's just what we dooo. BS, just grow some balls already and face the fact that you're scared of change.
Wait, what?

Scared of change?

Are you stable?

I guess that's why I ate that steak earlier, I'm a selfish spoiled brat who is scared of change ..

  • 12.25.2010 2:52 AM PDT
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  • 12.25.2010 2:53 AM PDT

Old fart

Posted by: pie15
Posted by: EnHaz Kim
Hey, you know why the world is going to -blam!- in general? Because even though you say we're all animals and animals eat meat, you sure lack that other thing that animals have and that's compassion.

We'll be accused of vegetarian propaganda when you guys will admit that you've got the selfish spoiled brat attitude. Baaah it's Christmas! Let's eat Turkey and ham and have a barbecue every week, as usual, because it's just what we dooo. BS, just grow some balls already and face the fact that you're scared of change.


Were not scared of change, we just want to eat the food that we want. Why should we listen to some douche on the internet who is probably an anorexic scumbag?

I doubt some anorexic scumbag would have gotten hired to work double shifts as a security agent at an international airport.

Just don't listen to me since I'm obviously an internet douche, listen to this guy.

  • 12.25.2010 2:54 AM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
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Posted by: EnHaz Kim
BS, just grow some balls already and face the fact that you're scared of change.

I'm not scared of change in general, just you taking my steak away.

  • 12.25.2010 2:54 AM PDT
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Wow, I need to visit The Flood more often cuz this thread is GOLD.

PeopleEatingTastyAnimals FTW

  • 12.25.2010 2:57 AM PDT

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  • 12.25.2010 3:06 AM PDT

I'd give up everything just to make you happy.

This thread is still alive?

  • 12.25.2010 3:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.

coughcanineteethcough

  • 12.25.2010 3:07 AM PDT

Old fart

Posted by: Dropship dude
So go ahead, stop eating meat, but don't give up on fish.

I'm actually not a full vegan. I do eat fish (not industrial), sea food, and insects.

  • 12.25.2010 3:09 AM PDT
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I just realised that a duct tape brand named 'Duck Tape', with as it's logo a duck, would be a huge succes.

Survival of the fittest.

Humans > Animals

[Edited on 12.25.2010 3:11 AM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 3:10 AM PDT