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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

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Our ancestors ate meat, why not us?

  • 12.25.2010 4:53 AM PDT

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Alright, I'll try to put this simply.

The reason why people eat animals for protein is because they don't lose sleep at night over it. It's a moral decision.

You wonder how we could possibly kill an eat another animal? Because we don't care.

Non-vegetarians see it as two roads leading to the same location, so they make the decision that has a taste that they like, which you can't blame them for. They live with the "cons" because they believe that there aren't any.

Vegetarians believe that there IS a con, which is much worse than the "pro," so they choose the other road.

...That's it, people.

That's actually quite a good analogy.


I heard I'm good with those. <.<

Anyway, so regardless if I eat meat or not, my argument is that this debate is useless. Morals can't be used as points, so all of the points are useless. The argument is invalid.

Ancient Romans understood this. They put dictators into power in times of crises just so something could be done, because they knew that they could debate the morals forever.


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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: Trace007
Alright, I'll try to put this simply.

The reason why people eat animals for protein is because they don't lose sleep at night over it. It's a moral decision.

You wonder how we could possibly kill an eat another animal? Because we don't care.

Non-vegetarians see it as two roads leading to the same location, so they make the decision that has a taste that they like, which you can't blame them for. They live with the "cons" because they believe that there aren't any.

Vegetarians believe that there IS a con, which is much worse than the "pro," so they choose the other road.

...That's it, people.



Posted by: Wyldfyre
People prefer to go with the flow than go against the sadistic gluttony of modern society.


The truth of not caring.

Just because I don't care about that granny I mugged and killed and because it is morally subjective doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.

Just because something is subjective, doesn't mean you can get away with it being "wrong" because you don't believe that there is such a thing.


well you know what dude we have a twisted society learn to live with it or go live in the wilderness thats the only choice anybody has in the matter


You just admitted that I was right. Even if you said there's nothing you can do about it, it still shows that you have agreed with my point that it's wrong to kill animals.

And just because it's hard to change something doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

its not hard its impossible so dont even try or a redneck will come along and shoot you thats what happens to all great people a redneck kills them (im not calling you great)

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Posted by: Trace007
Anyway, so regardless if I eat meat or not, my argument is that this debate is useless. Morals can't be used as points, so all of the points are useless. The argument is invalid.

So, hopefully we can all stop arguing over this issue and end this thread despite how pissed off you [the reader] may be feeling.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
because it is morally subjective doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.


Uh, yes, it does.

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Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Trace007
Alright, I'll try to put this simply.

The reason why people eat animals for protein is because they don't lose sleep at night over it. It's a moral decision.

You wonder how we could possibly kill an eat another animal? Because we don't care.

Non-vegetarians see it as two roads leading to the same location, so they make the decision that has a taste that they like, which you can't blame them for. They live with the "cons" because they believe that there aren't any.

Vegetarians believe that there IS a con, which is much worse than the "pro," so they choose the other road.

...That's it, people.

That's actually quite a good analogy.


I heard I'm good with those. <.<

Anyway, so regardless if I eat meat or not, my argument is that this debate is useless. Morals can't be used as points, so all of the points are useless. The argument is invalid.

Ancient Romans understood this. They put dictators into power in times of crises just so something could be done, because they knew that they could debate the morals forever.


If we ignored morals, we wouldn't have a society.

Do we punish murderers, yes. This is based solely on the opinion that murder is wrong. So morals do have a place within an argument as they are not irrelevant.

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But really, right and wrong are only what the majority of the population deem (or what lawmakers deem) to be right and wrong; there is no right or wrong outside of the concept of society. Remember, people used to be publicly stoned for things like adultery in ancient times because society deemed that the right course of action. Personally I think it was a bad idea, but they didn't; that's the thing abot subjective stuff, it's different to different people!

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Posted by: Trace007
Anyway, so regardless if I eat meat or not, my argument is that this debate is useless. Morals can't be used as points, so all of the points are useless. The argument is invalid.

So, hopefully we can all stop arguing over this issue and end this thread despite how pissed off you [the reader] may be feeling.


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Except the potential offspring of that plant or fungus... you do eat mushrooms right?

Indeed, but unlike the plants themselves, there is no measurable life within the produce. They do no have any respiration at all, no feeling at all and do not 'evolve' into anything else until physical intervention is involved.

But they do have cellular activity which means it is living. Plus what about potatoes. They sprout out to water even after they are picked which means they are still living

  • 12.25.2010 4:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Trace007
Anyway, so regardless if I eat meat or not, my argument is that this debate is useless. Morals can't be used as points, so all of the points are useless. The argument is invalid.


It's a debate, it's not expected to change the world.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Trace007
Alright, I'll try to put this simply.

The reason why people eat animals for protein is because they don't lose sleep at night over it. It's a moral decision.

You wonder how we could possibly kill an eat another animal? Because we don't care.

Non-vegetarians see it as two roads leading to the same location, so they make the decision that has a taste that they like, which you can't blame them for. They live with the "cons" because they believe that there aren't any.

Vegetarians believe that there IS a con, which is much worse than the "pro," so they choose the other road.

...That's it, people.

That's actually quite a good analogy.


I heard I'm good with those. <.<

Anyway, so regardless if I eat meat or not, my argument is that this debate is useless. Morals can't be used as points, so all of the points are useless. The argument is invalid.

Ancient Romans understood this. They put dictators into power in times of crises just so something could be done, because they knew that they could debate the morals forever.


If we ignored morals, we wouldn't have a society.

Do we punish murderers, yes. This is based solely on the opinion that murder is wrong. So morals do have a place within an argument as they are not irrelevant.


I never said anyone was "ignoring morals," I said that each person has their own set.

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And yes, potatoes do evolve Wyldfyre! How do you think potatoes appeared in nature? Their tuber evolved as a way of storing energy, and taking the potatoes from a potato plant kills it, just like picking a celery stalk kills a celery pant.

  • 12.25.2010 5:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Trace007

Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Trace007
Alright, I'll try to put this simply.

The reason why people eat animals for protein is because they don't lose sleep at night over it. It's a moral decision.

You wonder how we could possibly kill an eat another animal? Because we don't care.

Non-vegetarians see it as two roads leading to the same location, so they make the decision that has a taste that they like, which you can't blame them for. They live with the "cons" because they believe that there aren't any.

Vegetarians believe that there IS a con, which is much worse than the "pro," so they choose the other road.

...That's it, people.

That's actually quite a good analogy.


I heard I'm good with those. <.<

Anyway, so regardless if I eat meat or not, my argument is that this debate is useless. Morals can't be used as points, so all of the points are useless. The argument is invalid.

Ancient Romans understood this. They put dictators into power in times of crises just so something could be done, because they knew that they could debate the morals forever.


If we ignored morals, we wouldn't have a society.

Do we punish murderers, yes. This is based solely on the opinion that murder is wrong. So morals do have a place within an argument as they are not irrelevant.


I never said anyone was "ignoring morals," I said that each person has their own set.


Although that's true, we still treat a set of morals as fact (that murdering another human is wrong). Just because it's subjective, doesn't mean it can't be acted upon.

You are saying that anything that isn't pure fact, can't be treated with any seriousness.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007
Anyway, so regardless if I eat meat or not, my argument is that this debate is useless. Morals can't be used as points, so all of the points are useless. The argument is invalid.


It's a debate, it's not expected to change the world.


I never said you were trying to change the world. Stop putting words in my mouth.

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No, he's saying that people saying eating meat is wrong believe in different ideals to those who eat meat, the same with eveything; hence there is no right and wrong in the world, just labels we give to actions so we can classify them and act upon them.

Though many people believe murder is wrong, not everyone does, just a majority including me. You get me?

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Except the potential offspring of that plant or fungus... you do eat mushrooms right?

Indeed, but unlike the plants themselves, there is no measurable life within the produce. They do no have any respiration at all, no feeling at all and do not 'evolve' into anything else until physical intervention is involved.

But they do have cellular activity which means it is living. Plus what about potatoes. They sprout out to water even after they are picked which means they are still living

Again, only with intervention. I have jars full of seeds and fruit, nothing died to make them, and they keep for a lot longer. They're not growing or decaying, and won't do until I do anything with them.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Although that's true, we still treat a set of morals as fact (that murdering another human is wrong). Just because it's subjective, doesn't mean it can't be acted upon.

You are saying that anything that isn't pure fact, can't be treated with any seriousness.


You get a group of people, they all have similar morals, they teach those morals to their children, tadaa!, a society!

Just because you and your society find killing others wrong, doesn't mean every human does. How would you explain tribes with human sacrifice?

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Well i couldnt suggest a way to get of meat, i became a vegitarian about 10 years ago, and for me it was just a case of iam not going to eat meat again. So i havent. Neither of my parents are vegitarian and i dont resent people who eat meat, i just choose not to myself for personal reasons.

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No, he's saying that people saying eating meat is wrong believe in different ideals to those who eat meat, the same with eveything; hence there is no right and wrong in the world, just labels we give to actions so we can classify them and act upon them.

Though many people believe murder is wrong, not everyone does, just a majority including me. You get me?


an extreme majority (i dont think killers killing killers is wrong but i think killers killing people is)

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Ummm...seeds do decay and are alive. They die eventually, they just have long periods of inactivity.

And if you're keeping fruit in a jar, then yes, it isn't alive and nothing died to produce it. I validate that point.

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Except the potential offspring of that plant or fungus... you do eat mushrooms right?

Indeed, but unlike the plants themselves, there is no measurable life within the produce. They do no have any respiration at all, no feeling at all and do not 'evolve' into anything else until physical intervention is involved.

But they do have cellular activity which means it is living. Plus what about potatoes. They sprout out to water even after they are picked which means they are still living

Again, only with intervention. I have jars full of seeds and fruit, nothing died to make them, and they keep for a lot longer. They're not growing or decaying, and won't do until I do anything with them.


This may seem completely off topic, but...do you support stem-cell research?

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Although that's true, we still treat a set of morals as fact (that murdering another human is wrong). Just because it's subjective, doesn't mean it can't be acted upon.

You are saying that anything that isn't pure fact, can't be treated with any seriousness.


You get a group of people, they all have similar morals, they teach those morals to their children, tadaa!, a society!

Just because you and your society find killing others wrong, doesn't mean every human does. How would you explain tribes with human sacrifice?


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