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There is no right or wrong outside of our minds. I thought we'd covered this...

  • 12.25.2010 5:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gman5434
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Gman5434
My view:

We are omnivores. Humans have evolved to be able to eat both meat and plants. In fact we are designed to eat both, although yes science has developed ways in which we do not have to eat meat but that is aside from the point. We are still omnivores just like other animals are carnivores, therefore my view is that eating meat cannot be wrong since it is just the cycle of life.


Doesn't really answer the question.

Is killing animals to satiate our taste buds wrong?

No we are omnivores, we are designed to eat both just as some animals are carnivores. It cannot be wrong.


There is a 20-30 page argument on whether we are designed to eat meat or not.

Whether we are designed to or not is irrelevant, we are designed to kill, that is clear, so why don't we kill each other, we think it's wrong.

So I'll ask again, is killing animals to satiate our taste buds wrong? (Not whether we are designed to or not, that's irrelevant).

  • 12.25.2010 5:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: Captain Millis
There is no right or wrong outside of our minds. I thought we'd covered this...


No, but I'm asking his opinion if it's right or wrong. That DOES exist.

  • 12.25.2010 5:48 AM PDT

If a lion attacked you would you kill it out of defence?

(and your trapped you cant run)

  • 12.25.2010 5:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: SkillfullTree
If a lion attacked you would you kill it out of defence?

(and your trapped you cant run)


We've all agreed that it's not about survival. We don't eat meat nowadays out of survival (whether that's natural or not, science is allowing it).

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

There is a 20-30 page argument on whether we are designed to eat meat or not.

Whether we are designed to or not is irrelevant, we are designed to kill, that is clear, so why don't we kill each other, we think it's wrong.

So I'll ask again, is killing animals to satiate our taste buds wrong? (Not whether we are designed to or not, that's irrelevant).

And again I say that it can't be wrong since we are omnivores and are designed to eat both. Just as lions are designed to eat meat. I think the fact that we are designed to eat meat and plants is completely relevant. Since I view humans as animals and we are omnivores and animals killing other animals for food is not wrong. It is simply the way of life. That is how I justify it, you may disagree but that is irrelevant since our views are both subjective.

  • 12.25.2010 5:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Trace007

I'm not implying that at all. I don't have "the grand scheme of things" in mind.

*points off in distance*

Remember your original post, WAY back there? I had that in mind. You said that you needed advice to stop eating meat. I came into the thread and saw that there was a moral argument about it. I don't see this argument helpful to you at all, so I'm attempting to dissolve it.

Anyway, thanks for the complement, and I do personally enjoy the taste of meat.


Oh, well, I can't argue with your reasons for it being futile in relation to stop eating. My apologies there.

But, you may enjoy the taste of meat, but I'm still wondering if you think it's wrong to eat it (you can do something if you think it's wrong).


I don't think it's wrong. Though, don't get me wrong, I'm no hypocrite. I won't blame an animal if it ever decides to eat me.


Can you justify why you don't think it's wrong?

Because we are apex, I'm assuming, from the context.


Apex? I just said I'm fine with another animal eating me.

And I justify it because the human body was has evolved with eating it in mind. If I am originally meant to do so, I assume it is alright to do so. I also justify it because I believe that one creature eating another is just a part of life, whether one creature considers it morally wrong, another suffers, or the predator is hunting simply for survival.

  • 12.25.2010 5:52 AM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: SkillfullTree
If a lion attacked you would you kill it out of defence?

(and your trapped you cant run)


We've all agreed that it's not about survival. We don't eat meat nowadays out of survival (whether that's natural or not, science is allowing it).


You have not answred my question

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Oh, sorry, I must have misinterpreted your question. :p

Pardon me.

  • 12.25.2010 5:54 AM PDT


Posted by: SkillfullTree

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: SkillfullTree
If a lion attacked you would you kill it out of defence?

(and your trapped you cant run)


We've all agreed that it's not about survival. We don't eat meat nowadays out of survival (whether that's natural or not, science is allowing it).


You have not answred my question

Oh sorry, I forgot. What was the question?

  • 12.25.2010 5:55 AM PDT

Your pardoned

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If a lion attacked you would you kill it out of defence?

(and your trapped you cant run)

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Posted by: tjs0620
This thread is still going on? What the hell?! I thought we already established that the OP is a troll.

Also:

It tastes good.

  • 12.25.2010 6:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: SkillfullTree
If a lion attacked you would you kill it out of defence?

(and your trapped you cant run)


We've all agreed that it's not about survival. We don't eat meat nowadays out of survival (whether that's natural or not, science is allowing it).


You have not answred my question

Oh sorry, I forgot. What was the question?


Yes, because survival is different to enjoyment.

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You're saying it's wrong to eat meat because we enjoy it? That killing these animals for food for the sole purpose of us enjoying what we eat? Well damn, I enjoy eating chocolate. Think of all those poor cocoa beans which never got to grow to their full potential. Oh, woe is me, I have disrupted the balance of nature...

Look, you're never going to win this. Any of you. We've been killing and eating animals for thousands of years. Old habits die hard.

  • 12.25.2010 6:27 AM PDT

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To Trace and Gman (especially Gman).

My question isn't concerning natural or survival as that doesn't apply here. It's whether you think it's ok to kill an animal for enjoyment (you guys are saying it's for survival or it's just a part of life, but that's not the question).

Do you think it is wrong to kill an animal for taste? And why (someone earlier said that they said they enjoyment they get from eating the animal is greater than the suffering they cause the animal by killing it and keeping it in captivity) and although indisagree with that opinion, I understand that it is subjective and I respect his opinion because it actually answers the question, so could you two please answer me properly! Don't tell me survival or that its natural, that is not the issue.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To Trace and Gman (especially Gman).

My question isn't concerning natural or survival as that doesn't apply here. It's whether you think it's ok to kill an animal for enjoyment (you guys are saying it's for survival or it's just a part of life, but that's not the question).

Do you think it is wrong to kill an animal for taste? And why (someone earlier said that they said they enjoyment they get from eating the animal is greater than the suffering they cause the animal by killing it and keeping it in captivity) and although indisagree with that opinion, I understand that it is subjective and I respect his opinion because it actually answers the question, so could you two please answer me properly! Don't tell me survival or that its natural, that is not the issue.

We are not killing an animal solely for taste but for food, sure we don't have to kill it to survive regardless I believe it is simply the way of life and it cannot be wrong. If you don't think that this 'properly' answers your question. So be it, but that is my view. The fact that meat tastes good is just a bonus if you will.

[Edited on 12.25.2010 6:33 AM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 6:32 AM PDT

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(Meant to type lake water, by the way. River water is at least partially consumable)


Not from the Saginaw River... lol

  • 12.25.2010 6:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To Trace and Gman (especially Gman).

My question isn't concerning natural or survival as that doesn't apply here. It's whether you think it's ok to kill an animal for enjoyment (you guys are saying it's for survival or it's just a part of life, but that's not the question).

Do you think it is wrong to kill an animal for taste? And why (someone earlier said that they said they enjoyment they get from eating the animal is greater than the suffering they cause the animal by killing it and keeping it in captivity) and although indisagree with that opinion, I understand that it is subjective and I respect his opinion because it actually answers the question, so could you two please answer me properly! Don't tell me survival or that its natural, that is not the issue.


Don't bring up survival or that it's natural? You yourself did MULTIPLE times last night. Pick a stance and stick with it.

And to answer the question you posed. No, it is NOT ok to kill an animal purely for enjoyment - this question lays right into what you want people to say - because now you can say "Oh, but we don't NEED to kill animals for food, so you're wrong and I win."

But it's not killing animals just for pure enjoyment. We (most of us) do not actually go out and slaughter the cow or chicken or pig or duck or whatever. We aren't getting any enjoyment out of that. We do when we eat it sure, but we aren't eating it just for enjoyment (Hell, I enjoy a salad just as much as a piece of meat - but I also like some variety in my meals). We DO get valuable nutrients out of it. Excuse me if I don't want to pop pills because I can't get enough iron in my blood because I refuse to eat something that my body is made to consume. We also make many many other products from these animals. It's not just food.

Edit: Small fixes. Missed a period. Annoying.

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  • 12.25.2010 6:45 AM PDT
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Super digging the whole "my opinion can never be wrong because I never post anything that can actually be proven wrong". There's about 30 extra pages of mindless babble since yesterday that I've skimmed through. I wonder how long it's been since someone posted a fact.

Oh yeah, it's lovely how OP dismisses things as "irrelevant" once he can't make arguments against them. Whether or not humans were meant to eat meat was an argument he used in his first post, but now it doesn't matter apparently.

Question: is it also wrong for humans living in a non-arable land to eat meat when only a small percentage of their daily intake, not to mention their society's overall supplies of what vegans consider to be staples of their diets, comes from vegetation? Are they obliged to seek alternatives to their diets, even though there's a good chance that they will starve?

Vegans claim that all nutrients can be found in various plants, and that anyone can lead a healthy meatless life. So what about people who don't have the luxury to pick and choose wear their meals come from?

The vegans (or vocal majority thereof) in this thread seem to have moral compasses all pointing in the direction of "if you can choose, choose my side", but that would merely indicate personal preference, complete subjectivity, and a complete lack of necessity for a debate on the matter. In truth, no vegan in this thread can make an argument for not eating meat that doesn't devolve into their own feelings or preferences.

Of course, there may be a vegan here who would rather everyone to quit eating meat whether they can actually do it and survive or not, in which case they are basically saying "-blam!- those people".

  • 12.25.2010 6:59 AM PDT

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I dismissed them as irrelevant because it's been covered and concluded.

  • 12.25.2010 7:18 AM PDT


Posted by: Recon Number 54
I've got no problem whatsoever with anyone who makes a personal and conscious decision to alter their lifestyle or eating habits for health or ethical reasons. I see no reason to question, doubt or challenge their personal decision(s).

I would simply appreciate if the courtesy was returned.


What he said

  • 12.25.2010 7:29 AM PDT

I don't know if someone else said this already, but is eating plants any better? If you eat plants then you're stealing the animal's food supply making them slowly starve to death if they can't find any other food. Besides, if we didn't eat delicious meat, the animal's would just be killed by some other animal.

Also, in the Pagan religion, if you kill any animal or insect ever without a good reason, you have to eat it so it had a purpose. It would only be murder if you didn't eat it.

  • 12.25.2010 7:37 AM PDT