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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

I like turtles

It is natural. We are supposed to eat meat. It may be gruesome, but it's a part of our natural diet.

  • 12.25.2010 7:47 AM PDT

I like turtles


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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My view:

We are omnivores. Humans have evolved to be able to eat both meat and plants. In fact we are designed to eat both, although yes science has developed ways in which we do not have to eat meat but that is aside from the point. We are still omnivores just like other animals are carnivores, therefore my view is that eating meat cannot be wrong since it is just the cycle of life.


Doesn't really answer the question.

Is killing animals to satiate our taste buds wrong?

No we are omnivores, we are designed to eat both just as some animals are carnivores. It cannot be wrong.


There is a 20-30 page argument on whether we are designed to eat meat or not.

Whether we are designed to or not is irrelevant, we are designed to kill, that is clear, so why don't we kill each other, we think it's wrong.

So I'll ask again, is killing animals to satiate our taste buds wrong? (Not whether we are designed to or not, that's irrelevant).


I don't eat meat because I want a good taste, I eat it because I want to fill my stomach.

  • 12.25.2010 7:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I dismissed them as irrelevant because it's been covered and concluded.
Really? It seems I missed the consensus. Did it actually have anything to do with everyone concluding one way or the other, or was it just you deciding that whatever doesn't support your argument us invalid?

Oh, and feel free to reply to my actual argument any time instead of picking and choosing what you can take

  • 12.25.2010 7:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: XPAWNX
I don't know if someone else said this already, but is eating plants any better? If you eat plants then you're stealing the animal's food supply making them slowly starve to death if they can't find any other food. Besides, if we didn't eat delicious meat, the animal's would just be killed by some other animal.

Also, in the Pagan religion, if you kill any animal or insect ever without a good reason, you have to eat it so it had a purpose. It would only be murder if you didn't eat it.


It has been said, numerous times, but there is clear distinction between a plant and an animal, being the fact that animals can feel pain and such like.

And I do agree, it is possible to over cultivate the land, but it's an issue of moderation, whereas that is not the case with animals.

Killing an animal for food when you don't need to eat it is murder, even if you eat it afterwards, because you didn't need to eat it. Doing something after needlessly killing it, trying to justify it, doesn't really justify it.

  • 12.25.2010 7:58 AM PDT

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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People prefer to go with the flow than go against the sadistic gluttony of modern society.

What are you trying to accomplish?


You know how a nurse often does her job because she feels good about it. Not for the pay, and not necessarily because she likes the job itself, but because she is doing a good thing in her job. She knows what she is doing is right and that will ultimately give her fulfillment than a high paying job never could.

It's very admirable, yet people still respect lawyers more in society (they are given greater status).

Slightly off-topic, but it's more in relation to the gluttony point, how people don't do what is right because they are greedy.

What the hell are you talking about?
Lawyers are hated as greedy bastards who help criminals.

  • 12.25.2010 8:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I dismissed them as irrelevant because it's been covered and concluded.
Really? It seems I missed the consensus. Did it actually have anything to do with everyone concluding one way or the other, or was it just you deciding that whatever doesn't support your argument us invalid?

Oh, and feel free to reply to my actual argument any time instead of picking and choosing what you can take


No, I conceded that I cannot prove that humans are not designed to eat meat. There is enough evidence for it to be stupid for me to say that humans aren't designed to eat meat.

But I still hold the belief that humans are much better designed to eat vegetation than meat, and the reason pre-historic humans would eat meat, was as a safety features. If you could eat meat in times of need, you'd survive better, but it would be better to avoid raw meat.

  • 12.25.2010 8:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: yerfdog1935
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: H0gbinlad3n
Posted by: WyIdfyre
People prefer to go with the flow than go against the sadistic gluttony of modern society.

What are you trying to accomplish?


You know how a nurse often does her job because she feels good about it. Not for the pay, and not necessarily because she likes the job itself, but because she is doing a good thing in her job. She knows what she is doing is right and that will ultimately give her fulfillment than a high paying job never could.

It's very admirable, yet people still respect lawyers more in society (they are given greater status).

Slightly off-topic, but it's more in relation to the gluttony point, how people don't do what is right because they are greedy.

What the hell are you talking about?
Lawyers are hated as greedy bastards who help criminals.


If someone is a lawyer in society, they are high status individuals, due to their job being a well-paid, well-educated profession.

  • 12.25.2010 8:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I dismissed them as irrelevant because it's been covered and concluded.
Really? It seems I missed the consensus. Did it actually have anything to do with everyone concluding one way or the other, or was it just you deciding that whatever doesn't support your argument us invalid?

Oh, and feel free to reply to my actual argument any time instead of picking and choosing what you can take


No, I conceded that I cannot prove that humans are not designed to eat meat. There is enough evidence for it to be stupid for me to say that humans aren't designed to eat meat.

But I still hold the belief that humans are much better designed to eat vegetation than meat, and the reason pre-historic humans would eat meat, was as a safety features. If you could eat meat in times of need, you'd survive better, but it would be better to avoid raw meat.
Yeah that wasn't my point at all. Not at all. Thank you for completely dodging my questions. Thank you for dodging my questions completely.

  • 12.25.2010 8:16 AM PDT

you killed poonflip!

the flippiest poon i ever knew!


Posted by: AxFielder223
There is one word that will make every vegetarian, vegan, or hippie think again about their decision to not eat meat. Bacon.

I eat meat. I enjoy eating meat. You don't? Good for you. Telling me I can't eat meat? Go -blam!- die.
qft

  • 12.25.2010 8:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gman5434
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To Trace and Gman (especially Gman).

My question isn't concerning natural or survival as that doesn't apply here. It's whether you think it's ok to kill an animal for enjoyment (you guys are saying it's for survival or it's just a part of life, but that's not the question).

Do you think it is wrong to kill an animal for taste? And why (someone earlier said that they said they enjoyment they get from eating the animal is greater than the suffering they cause the animal by killing it and keeping it in captivity) and although indisagree with that opinion, I understand that it is subjective and I respect his opinion because it actually answers the question, so could you two please answer me properly! Don't tell me survival or that its natural, that is not the issue.

We are not killing an animal solely for taste but for food, sure we don't have to kill it to survive regardless I believe it is simply the way of life and it cannot be wrong. If you don't think that this 'properly' answers your question. So be it, but that is my view. The fact that meat tastes good is just a bonus if you will.


You're killing animals because it's the "way of life". Everything is the way of life, so is emitting CO2, but there is clear differentiation between want is considered natural and what is man-made.

Killing animals on a mass scale is not what is considered natural, it's man-made.

If you were to go out and kill a rabbit then eat it, it's not so bad, (although still pointless) because at least it's 'natural', and aren't endorsing a mass massacre of animals.

It's not what you define as natural to treat animals, like the meat market does.

If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian


The truth in this thread, is that all the meat eaters are too engrossed in their meat to allow themselves to believe that what they are doing is wrong, greatly wrong and that they are lying to themselves, so they don't feel so bad about what they are doing.


WARNING: Video is extremely disturbing

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  • 12.25.2010 8:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: yerfdog1935
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: H0gbinlad3n
Posted by: WyIdfyre
People prefer to go with the flow than go against the sadistic gluttony of modern society.

What are you trying to accomplish?


You know how a nurse often does her job because she feels good about it. Not for the pay, and not necessarily because she likes the job itself, but because she is doing a good thing in her job. She knows what she is doing is right and that will ultimately give her fulfillment than a high paying job never could.

It's very admirable, yet people still respect lawyers more in society (they are given greater status).

Slightly off-topic, but it's more in relation to the gluttony point, how people don't do what is right because they are greedy.

What the hell are you talking about?
Lawyers are hated as greedy bastards who help criminals.
He also said gluttony. How the hell is eating meat gluttony? We've already established this; both plants, and animals provide important nutrients for are body. I know we have already covered this, but, B-12.


Dairy, you don't have to kill the animals to get B12.

  • 12.25.2010 8:18 AM PDT

You wouldnt be alive if it werent for eating animals, even animals eat other animals.

  • 12.25.2010 8:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Gman5434
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To Trace and Gman (especially Gman).

My question isn't concerning natural or survival as that doesn't apply here. It's whether you think it's ok to kill an animal for enjoyment (you guys are saying it's for survival or it's just a part of life, but that's not the question).

Do you think it is wrong to kill an animal for taste? And why (someone earlier said that they said they enjoyment they get from eating the animal is greater than the suffering they cause the animal by killing it and keeping it in captivity) and although indisagree with that opinion, I understand that it is subjective and I respect his opinion because it actually answers the question, so could you two please answer me properly! Don't tell me survival or that its natural, that is not the issue.

We are not killing an animal solely for taste but for food, sure we don't have to kill it to survive regardless I believe it is simply the way of life and it cannot be wrong. If you don't think that this 'properly' answers your question. So be it, but that is my view. The fact that meat tastes good is just a bonus if you will.


You're killing animals because it's the "way of life". Everything is the way of life, so is emitting CO2, but there is clear differentiation between want is considered natural and what is man-made.

Killing animals on a mass scale is not what is considered natural, it's man-made.

If you were to go out and kill a rabbit then eat it, it's not so bad, (although still pointless) because at least it's 'natural', and aren't endorsing a mass massacre of animals.

It's not what you define as natural to treat animals, like the meat market does.

If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian


The truth in this thread, is that all the meat eaters are too engrossed in their meat to allow themselves to believe that what they are doing is wrong, greatly wrong and that they are lying to themselves, so they don't feel so bad about what they are doing.
PETA is not a reliable source, don't ever cite them again.


I bet you can't even watch that video. I warn you though, it's extremely graphic, but real.

Lol, you can't just ignore PETA, because you think they are quacks, you still have to view the content.

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Humans are omnivores.

Wanna know why?

All carnivores have sharp teeth to bite into meat.
All herbivores have flat teeth to grind and eat plants.
Humans have sharp teeth (front teeth) and humans have flat teeth (molars and the ones in the back)

Not eating an animal because you feel "sorry" for it isn't justifying, that's an opinion.

  • 12.25.2010 8:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: tjs0620

Dairy, you don't have to kill the animals to get B12.[/quote]So you're saying that taking a young calf away from it's mother at a very young age, and subjecting the mother to machine milking everyday for the rest of its life is OK, but when you kill a cow it's a huge deal? There is something seriously wrong with you.


You don't have to separate, and what they do to get milk is not even mistreatment.

  • 12.25.2010 8:23 AM PDT

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One of my close friends is a vegetarian. She has no problem if people want to eat animals and hunt and all that. She just doesn't like the taste of meat.

Why can't all vegetarians be like that?

  • 12.25.2010 8:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Lol, you can't just ignore PETA, because you think they are quacks, you still have to view the content.

"Think" they are quacks?Think?

They are loons. They compared the slaughter of animals to the holocaust. They condone terrorism.

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Posted by: mityman50
One of my close friends is a vegetarian. She has no problem if people want to eat animals and hunt and all that. She just doesn't like the taste of meat.

Why can't all vegetarians be like that?


Because, IMO, vegetarians are as dumb as Jehovah's Witnesses.

"DONT'T EAT MEAT! YOU'LL GO TO HELL!"

  • 12.25.2010 8:26 AM PDT

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Stop trolling, please. It's bad for your health.

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Posted by: mityman50
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Lol, you can't just ignore PETA, because you think they are quacks, you still have to view the content.

"Think" they are quacks?Think?

They are loons. They compared the slaughter of animals to the holocaust. They condone terrorism.


PETA tried to have ice-cream parlors use human breast-milk instead of cow milk.

They're stupid and if I could nuke the headquarters, I would.

  • 12.25.2010 8:28 AM PDT