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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Silent Striker42
That's why it's called survival of the fittest.


You wouldn't be saying that if you were captured by a group of men, who were going to kill you and eat you.

Hypocrite.

  • 12.25.2010 4:45 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: baklash 1337
Animals will eat animals with less mercy than humans will. A lion ripping apart a gazelle is grosser than an instantaneous death via a slaughterhouse.


No, far from it.

Animals eat other animals without a thought, because they don't even understand death. Since we are knowledgeable, we should know better. "With power comes responsibility".

And what we subject animals too is much much much worse.

It's beliefs like yours (that cows and pigs and chickens just die instantaneously) that are ignorant and stupid. And everyone who eats meat seems to believe it, or they want to believe it and lie to themselves.

QFT chicken tastes like crap, I don't eat it. And there's no easy way to kill them. Mammals die by decapitation instantly.

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Posted by: coolmike699
Posted by: Dropship dude
Posted by: Silent Striker42
That's why it's called survival of the fittest.
I didn't realise having bigger guns made you the fittest.
That's actually a perfect example of someone being the "fittest" (from an evolutionary standpoint, anyway).
Not really. Survival of the fittest is all about genetics and whatnot. Last time I checked, guns weren't part of our genetic coding.

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Posted by: Dropship dude
Posted by: Silent Striker42
That's why it's called survival of the fittest.
I didn't realise having better tools made you the fittest.

The human's advantage is its brain it allows us to create weapons and other thigns that help us survive without this our race would have died out long ago. Other species have different adaptions such as a turtle has a shell in order to protect itself from attacks.

  • 12.25.2010 4:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Dropship dude
Posted by: coolmike699
Posted by: Dropship dude
Posted by: Silent Striker42
That's why it's called survival of the fittest.
I didn't realise having bigger guns made you the fittest.
That's actually a perfect example of someone being the "fittest" (from an evolutionary standpoint, anyway).
Not really. Survival of the fittest is all about genetics and whatnot. Last time I checked, guns weren't part of our genetic coding.
Correct, however the intelligence required to make the guns is.

  • 12.25.2010 4:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Dropship dude
Posted by: coolmike699
Posted by: Dropship dude
Posted by: Silent Striker42
That's why it's called survival of the fittest.
I didn't realise having bigger guns made you the fittest.
That's actually a perfect example of someone being the "fittest" (from an evolutionary standpoint, anyway).
Not really. Survival of the fittest is all about genetics and whatnot. Last time I checked, guns weren't part of our genetic coding.


Tools certainly are. Look at the entire animal kingdom. One major sign of intelligence is use of tools.

  • 12.25.2010 4:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: DOINKEN

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I think humans as a whole are. And honestly, this thread has proved it to me. Do I think I'm better? No, not in many ways, but at least I try, rather than accept.
I suspect you have a lot more fueling that opinion than just eating meat and killing animals.

I don't believe the human race is a scourge, there are simply small factions or breeds that are an infection trying to bring us down. I would elaborate some more but we are getting way off topic.


Merely the powers of observation.

Humans are driven by a lust for power and money and just pure greed.

They commit acts of pure evil (child abductions etc) and it is becoming almost commonplace. They start wars for oil, killing thousands and millions.

A whole nation of ordinary people banded together and willingly slaughtered the Jews. I would rather take my own life than commit such an atrocity. And if I was to justify it by saying I'd be killed otherwise, it doesn't make it any less evil.

And the treatment of animals is another great factor. We aren't simply following instinct and such like by killing them and eating them to sustain ourselves. No we are doing it out of greed and lust. We want to have chicken burgers and double bacon, when it's killing us. It's killing the American nation, due to your own greed, and best of all, you are all so blinded with greed that you refuse to admit how evil it is.

  • 12.25.2010 4:51 PM PDT

You just lost your testicles.

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Posted by: DOINKEN
Posted by: Dropship dude
Not really. Survival of the fittest is all about genetics and whatnot. Last time I checked, guns weren't part of our genetic coding.
Correct, however the intelligence required to make the guns is.
Touché.

  • 12.25.2010 4:51 PM PDT

The world is going to die eventually, along with every friggin' living thing. Just eat the damn animals.

  • 12.25.2010 4:52 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: DOINKEN

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I think humans as a whole are. And honestly, this thread has proved it to me. Do I think I'm better? No, not in many ways, but at least I try, rather than accept.
I suspect you have a lot more fueling that opinion than just eating meat and killing animals.

I don't believe the human race is a scourge, there are simply small factions or breeds that are an infection trying to bring us down. I would elaborate some more but we are getting way off topic.


Merely the powers of observation.

Humans are driven by a lust for power and money and just pure greed.

They commit acts of pure evil (child abductions etc) and it is becoming almost commonplace. They start wars for oil, killing thousands and millions.

A whole nation of ordinary people banded together and willingly slaughtered the Jews. I would rather take my own life than commit such an atrocity. And if I was to justify it by saying I'd be killed otherwise, it doesn't make it any less evil.



Perception =/= reality.

You think abductions and muders are "commonplace"? Well, that's your problem.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Humans are driven by a lust for power and money and just pure greed...

pure evil...

killing thousands and millions...

greed and lust...

killing us...

evil
I agree with what you're saying, totally. Humanity is a messed up species. I've said that for years.

However, I still enjoy a KFC Zinger Tower meal.

  • 12.25.2010 4:53 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: DOINKEN

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I think humans as a whole are. And honestly, this thread has proved it to me. Do I think I'm better? No, not in many ways, but at least I try, rather than accept.
I suspect you have a lot more fueling that opinion than just eating meat and killing animals.

I don't believe the human race is a scourge, there are simply small factions or breeds that are an infection trying to bring us down. I would elaborate some more but we are getting way off topic.


Merely the powers of observation.

Humans are driven by a lust for power and money and just pure greed.

They commit acts of pure evil (child abductions etc) and it is becoming almost commonplace. They start wars for oil, killing thousands and millions.

A whole nation of ordinary people banded together and willingly slaughtered the Jews. I would rather take my own life than commit such an atrocity. And if I was to justify it by saying I'd be killed otherwise, it doesn't make it any less evil.

And the treatment of animals is another great factor. We aren't simply following instinct and such like by killing them and eating them to sustain ourselves. No we are doing it out of greed and lust. We want to have chicken burgers and double bacon, when it's killing us. It's killing the American nation, due to your own greed, and best of all, you are all so blinded with greed that you refuse to admit how evil it is.
I guess I'm not that judgmental.

  • 12.25.2010 4:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: DOINKEN

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I think humans as a whole are. And honestly, this thread has proved it to me. Do I think I'm better? No, not in many ways, but at least I try, rather than accept.
I suspect you have a lot more fueling that opinion than just eating meat and killing animals.

I don't believe the human race is a scourge, there are simply small factions or breeds that are an infection trying to bring us down. I would elaborate some more but we are getting way off topic.


Merely the powers of observation.

Humans are driven by a lust for power and money and just pure greed.

They commit acts of pure evil (child abductions etc) and it is becoming almost commonplace. They start wars for oil, killing thousands and millions.

A whole nation of ordinary people banded together and willingly slaughtered the Jews. I would rather take my own life than commit such an atrocity. And if I was to justify it by saying I'd be killed otherwise, it doesn't make it any less evil.



Perception =/= reality.

You think abductions and muders are "commonplace"? Well, that's your problem.


They should be non-existant. And that's all you can critique from my post, proves me correct.

  • 12.25.2010 4:55 PM PDT


WOULD you kill a lion today (for whatever reason, but it came to that) if you had to live?
YES or NO only

  • 12.25.2010 4:58 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: DOINKEN

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I think humans as a whole are. And honestly, this thread has proved it to me. Do I think I'm better? No, not in many ways, but at least I try, rather than accept.
I suspect you have a lot more fueling that opinion than just eating meat and killing animals.

I don't believe the human race is a scourge, there are simply small factions or breeds that are an infection trying to bring us down. I would elaborate some more but we are getting way off topic.


Merely the powers of observation.

Humans are driven by a lust for power and money and just pure greed.

They commit acts of pure evil (child abductions etc) and it is becoming almost commonplace. They start wars for oil, killing thousands and millions.

A whole nation of ordinary people banded together and willingly slaughtered the Jews. I would rather take my own life than commit such an atrocity. And if I was to justify it by saying I'd be killed otherwise, it doesn't make it any less evil.



Perception =/= reality.

You think abductions and muders are "commonplace"? Well, that's your problem.


They should be non-existant. And that's all you can critique from my post, proves me correct.
You cannot possibly expect everyone to be good?

A few bad apples dooms the whole race?

  • 12.25.2010 4:58 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: baklash 1337

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: baklash 1337
Animals will eat animals with less mercy than humans will. A lion ripping apart a gazelle is grosser than an instantaneous death via a slaughterhouse.


No, far from it.

Animals eat other animals without a thought, because they don't even understand death. Since we are knowledgeable, we should know better. "With power comes responsibility".

And what we subject animals too is much much much worse.

It's beliefs like yours (that cows and pigs and chickens just die instantaneously) that are ignorant and stupid. And everyone who eats meat seems to believe it, or they want to believe it and lie to themselves.

QFT chicken tastes like crap, I don't eat it. And there's no easy way to kill them. Mammals die by decapitation instantly.


There was a test during the French Revolution (or some French war) where they asked people who were being decapitated to blink after they were beheaded. The participants blinked for roughly 30 seconds after they were beheaded. I don't have a source, but a google search would probably find something.

And you show your ignorance on the matter when you assume they just get decapitated and that's that. Watch the video I posted.

  • 12.25.2010 4:59 PM PDT

Your mother is a very handsome man.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tutueater
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX


Don't give me that "everyone is different" rubbish.


But everyone is different. For example, you're clearly insane while I am not.

I don't think we should be worrying about animals rights before we learn to treat other humans humanely.


Humans are evil, animals aren't. Nobody can deny that, look at the stuff we do to each other.

Yet of course, someone will say, "It's just an opinion, it's subjective that humans do bad things"

Your dancing around my point. Why should we take such an interest in the treatment of other species if we can't even guarantee equality for our own?

If we didn't have a use for cows we probably would've killed them all a long time ago. It's not like we haven't wiped out entire species of what we consider pests before.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: DOINKEN

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I think humans as a whole are. And honestly, this thread has proved it to me. Do I think I'm better? No, not in many ways, but at least I try, rather than accept.
I suspect you have a lot more fueling that opinion than just eating meat and killing animals.

I don't believe the human race is a scourge, there are simply small factions or breeds that are an infection trying to bring us down. I would elaborate some more but we are getting way off topic.


Merely the powers of observation.

Humans are driven by a lust for power and money and just pure greed.

They commit acts of pure evil (child abductions etc) and it is becoming almost commonplace. They start wars for oil, killing thousands and millions.

A whole nation of ordinary people banded together and willingly slaughtered the Jews. I would rather take my own life than commit such an atrocity. And if I was to justify it by saying I'd be killed otherwise, it doesn't make it any less evil.

And the treatment of animals is another great factor. We aren't simply following instinct and such like by killing them and eating them to sustain ourselves. No we are doing it out of greed and lust. We want to have chicken burgers and double bacon, when it's killing us. It's killing the American nation, due to your own greed, and best of all, you are all so blinded with greed that you refuse to admit how evil it is.


Stop watching the news so damned much. Your personality is both a genetic trait and one picked up through your enviorment. Their are two extremes the great people who try to help others and thoose who kill/hurt/abduct others. Than their is the majority who are content to live their lives peacefuly. Theese extremes are generaly picked up by genetics.

Greed, power, and the such is what some people have their are many people who will give even when they have nothing left. In the book Baa Baa Black Sheep, when he is a prisoner of war in Japan and the Japanese are being bombed, thoose who have had their houses destroyed and have almost nothing left gave what little food they had to the prisoners and they had a risk of being beaten mercilessly by the gaurds of the prisoners. This trait is actauly common but does not get a big chance to make itself visible as it is usauly a mail in thing nowadays.

  • 12.25.2010 5:01 PM PDT

I disagree but I respect your opinion.

  • 12.25.2010 5:02 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: DOINKEN
You cannot possibly expect everyone to be good?

A few bad apples dooms the whole race?


Not everyone commits murders and great atrocities in day to day life, although a nation of average men were capable of trying to wipe out an entire race, because they were told to, showing that men as a species suffers from what I am saying. But all suffer from greed and lust, at all times.

Tell me you don't desire money to buy a nice car/house etc?

You can't do it, and very few people can. I do too, I won't lie.

  • 12.25.2010 5:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: DOINKEN

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I think humans as a whole are. And honestly, this thread has proved it to me. Do I think I'm better? No, not in many ways, but at least I try, rather than accept.
I suspect you have a lot more fueling that opinion than just eating meat and killing animals.

I don't believe the human race is a scourge, there are simply small factions or breeds that are an infection trying to bring us down. I would elaborate some more but we are getting way off topic.


Merely the powers of observation.

Humans are driven by a lust for power and money and just pure greed.

They commit acts of pure evil (child abductions etc) and it is becoming almost commonplace. They start wars for oil, killing thousands and millions.

A whole nation of ordinary people banded together and willingly slaughtered the Jews. I would rather take my own life than commit such an atrocity. And if I was to justify it by saying I'd be killed otherwise, it doesn't make it any less evil.

And the treatment of animals is another great factor. We aren't simply following instinct and such like by killing them and eating them to sustain ourselves. No we are doing it out of greed and lust. We want to have chicken burgers and double bacon, when it's killing us. It's killing the American nation, due to your own greed, and best of all, you are all so blinded with greed that you refuse to admit how evil it is.


Stop watching the news so damned much. Your personality is both a genetic trait and one picked up through your enviorment. Their are two extremes the great people who try to help others and thoose who kill/hurt/abduct others. Than their is the majority who are content to live their lives peacefuly. Theese extremes are generaly picked up by genetics.

Greed, power, and the such is what some people have their are many people who will give even when they have nothing left. In the book Baa Baa Black Sheep, when he is a prisoner of war in Japan and the Japanese are being bombed, thoose who have had their houses destroyed and have almost nothing left gave what little food they had to the prisoners and they had a risk of being beaten mercilessly by the gaurds of the prisoners. This trait is actauly common but does not get a big chance to make itself visible as it is usauly a mail in thing nowadays.


Maybe you should start watching.

You're telling me to ignore what is happening.

And in your story, there were still men who were going to mercilessly beat the PoW's.

  • 12.25.2010 5:05 PM PDT

well screw this thread

Im off to play MW 2 and get that colonel sanders achievment

bye

  • 12.25.2010 5:05 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: DOINKEN
You cannot possibly expect everyone to be good?

A few bad apples dooms the whole race?


Not everyone commits murders and great atrocities in day to day life, although a nation of average men were capable of trying to wipe out an entire race, because they were told to, showing that men as a species suffers from what I am saying. But all suffer from greed and lust, at all times.

Tell me you don't desire money to buy a nice car/house etc?

You can't do it, and very few people can. I do too, I won't lie.
It doesn't mean I am a scourge, or a monster.

  • 12.25.2010 5:06 PM PDT

BTW 50

your half way there

[Edited on 12.25.2010 5:06 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 5:06 PM PDT