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Posted by: evilcam

Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: evilcam
Actual Fact: Eating meat, and thus gaining the protein strain needed to develop dexterity and brain matter and centers made your ancestors more capable of critical thought. Its because your ancestors ate meat that you're cognate enough to question the morality of eating meat.

Actual Fact: Vegans have, on average, higher IQ levels than those who eat meat.


No they don't. Pull more statistics out of your ass while you then continue to not refute my actual points. Diet has no bearing on IQ provided the diet supplies the appropriate amount of nutrients and protein. There are millions of other factors that go into determining environmental intelligence.

Its militaristic buffoons like you who give veggies a bad name. Come off yourself, and learn to accept other people even thought hey might disagree with you.
He's giving furries a bad name too, not like they have any dignity left.

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Posted by: WyIdfyre
Can you eat meat raw and stay healthy?
Yes. Some meats you want to cook, but beef can be eaten raw. Indeed, some recipes call for it.

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Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: evilcam
Actual Fact: Eating meat, and thus gaining the protein strain needed to develop dexterity and brain matter and centers made your ancestors more capable of critical thought. Its because your ancestors ate meat that you're cognate enough to question the morality of eating meat.

Actual Fact: Vegans have, on average, higher IQ levels than those who eat meat.
There's nothing I hate more than people who create "facts" to back up their argument. I want solid proof, dammit!

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Posted by: WyIdfyre
And you know with complete and absolute certainty that animals don't 'think'?
Consciousness and metacognition are two completely different attributes. As of now, there is absolutely no evidence that they are metacognitive, so I won't live my life under that assumption.
Either way, it's still a living, breathing,Just like plants? 'intelligent'Hardly. Well, lots of animals are, so I don't eat those ones.creature with a personality. Okay? The fact that an animal may have a personality (which isn't even objective terminology) does not have anything to do with its value.

Also, I'd just like to add that a carnivorous lifestyle is consistent with Objectivist ethics.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Heifer whines could be human cries
Closer comes the screaming knife
This beautiful creature must die
This beautiful creature must die
A death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER

And the flesh you so fancifully fry
Is not succulent, tasty or kind
It's death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER

And the calf that you carve with a smile
It is MURDER
And the turkey you festively slice
It is MURDER
Do you know how animals die?


Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
It's not "comforting", cheery or kind
It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench
Of MURDER


It's not "natural", "normal" or kind
The flesh you so fancifully fry
The meat in your mouth
As you savour the flavour
Of MURDER


NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
Oh... and who cares about an animals life? ~Anon


As Morrissey once said: "nobody can come up with a good argument for eating animals - nobody can. People as some kind of a joke say, well, 'It's tasty', but it's only tasty once you garnish it and you put salt and pepper, and you cook it, and you have to do 300 things to it to disguise its true taste. If you put garnishes on a chair or fabric, it would probably taste quite nice."

Animals who die for your dinner table die alone, in terror, in sadness and in pain. The killing is merciless and inhumane.

There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.

Just, how do I stop, I suppose you could say I'm addicted.


Dude, without meat you will feel sick, I'm telling you eat only chicken and fish but stopping meat all together without vitamins and eating a crap ton of nuts is very bad for you.



And we aren't designed to eat meat, WTF are you on!?!? Our bodies take in meat very well, just not uncooked.

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Posted by: evilcam
No they don't. Pull more statistics out of your ass while you then continue to not refute my actual points. Diet has no bearing on IQ provided the diet supplies the appropriate amount of nutrients and protein. There are millions of other factors that go into determining environmental intelligence.

Its militaristic buffoons like you who give veggies a bad name. Come off yourself, and learn to accept other people even thought hey might disagree with you.

I just posted a link with a source.

Oh, I apologize for empathizing with living beings outside of my own species. I don't like the unnecessarily barbaric practice of slaughter and consumption for personal greed.

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Posted by: WyIdfyre
Can you eat meat raw and stay healthy?
Yes. Some meats you want to cook, but beef can be eaten raw. Indeed, some recipes call for it.
I said this also, but he still hasn't responded.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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It's nature. Deal with it.

Or should we protect the poor antelopes in Africa from getting mauled by lions? It's so sad and cruel!

nope its nature


We have proven time and time again that we are 'above' nature.
'above nature' okay sure, tell that to those who lost their homes in katrina. the the people living on the streets after the earthquake in haiti, or the stranded passengers after the icelandic valcano, or those who lost loved ones in the tsunami in indonesia.
we're just as much a part of nature as a rock in the woods or the clouds in the sky.


We don't care about nature when we are cutting all the trees down, or churning out Gas Guzzlers.

No we're happy to interfere with nature when we want.

  • 12.24.2010 4:10 PM PDT

So that's how it is. You all ought to know better than that.

Being an omnivor has its uses. Not everyone in the world can eat as well as us. You eat what you can. Even if there is an abundance of food, you can't turn everyone away from eating meat.

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Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel
May strength be granted so the world might be mended...
So the world might be mended...

Why is everyone jumping on Wyldes case, asking for sources? Other people have stated 'facts' and nobody asked for sources =/

I haven't seen him -blam!- at you for being meat eaters either, which some of you implied that he has....=/

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Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: evilcam
No they don't. Pull more statistics out of your ass while you then continue to not refute my actual points. Diet has no bearing on IQ provided the diet supplies the appropriate amount of nutrients and protein. There are millions of other factors that go into determining environmental intelligence.

Its militaristic buffoons like you who give veggies a bad name. Come off yourself, and learn to accept other people even thought hey might disagree with you.

I just posted a link with a source.

Oh, I apologize for empathizing with living beings outside of my own species. I don't like the unnecessarily barbaric practice of slaughter and consumption for personal greed.
lol look at this kid.

  • 12.24.2010 4:11 PM PDT

Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Mickey1980
Really, if an animal is not capable of metacognition and self-awareness, there is no difference between the animal and a plant and a rock.

And you know with complete and absolute certainty that animals don't 'think'?

Either way, it's still a living, breathing, 'intelligent' creature with a personality.

What other contribution does, and I'm just picking a random animal, a cow have to this world outside of providing dairy products and meat? It stands in a pasture all day long, eats grass and sleeps. It's not doing anything, it might as well help us humans out by providing food. Additionally, think of the overpopulation of these animals if we wouldn't use them for food.

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Om nom nom

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Mickey1980
Really, if an animal is not capable of metacognition and self-awareness, there is no difference between the animal and a plant and a rock.

And you know with complete and absolute certainty that animals don't 'think'?

Either way, it's still a living, breathing, 'intelligent' creature with a personality.


Pigs are just as intelligent as dogs, but I bet you wouldn't eat your own dog...

That's to do with our society, if things were a little different then I'm sure people would eat dogs. Dogs, I would imagine, are harder to harvest than pigs and are thus less profitable which in turn means farmers don't farm them and therefore we don't eat them.

Besides, pig probably tastes nicer than dog.

  • 12.24.2010 4:11 PM PDT

Posted by: JHOX
Here's my advice to you son, its a life lesson you shan't forget.

Some people are like Slinkies. They aren't good for anything in particular, but it still makes you smile when you push them down the stairs

I eat meat everyday, I have done so most of my life, sure the animals may "suffer" but then again, people in Africa suffer from HUNGER, if you care about suffering so much, then share your salad with them.



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Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: evilcam
No they don't. Pull more statistics out of your ass while you then continue to not refute my actual points. Diet has no bearing on IQ provided the diet supplies the appropriate amount of nutrients and protein. There are millions of other factors that go into determining environmental intelligence.

Its militaristic buffoons like you who give veggies a bad name. Come off yourself, and learn to accept other people even thought hey might disagree with you.

I just posted a link with a source.

Oh, I apologize for empathizing with living beings outside of my own species. I don't like the unnecessarily barbaric practice of slaughter and consumption for personal greed.


So because we are more advanced we are supposed to stop eating meat because it's "barbaric"?

Wow... That's like stop working because you have acquired money,
Or stop going to school because you can read.

  • 12.24.2010 4:12 PM PDT

You can tell me that my teeth are designed for plants AFTER I bite your arm off.

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Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Mickey1980
Posted by: WyIdfyre
Posted by: evilcam
Actual Fact: Eating meat, and thus gaining the protein strain needed to develop dexterity and brain matter and centers made your ancestors more capable of critical thought. Its because your ancestors ate meat that you're cognate enough to question the morality of eating meat.

Actual Fact: Vegans have, on average, higher IQ levels than those who eat meat.
Source? How many people were tested with this? A lot of people would be necessitated, in order for it to be accurate. A lot.

I like how everone jumps on my fact for a source and not his.

Anyway, one of many sources
'There was no difference in IQ between strict vegetarians and those who classed themselves as veggie but still ate fish or chicken.' strait from your source, eating meat will not impact your brains functioning but proves that a healthy balance will result in the highest mental state. proving that humans are meant to eat meat and plants, not only plants.

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Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: evilcam
No they don't. Pull more statistics out of your ass while you then continue to not refute my actual points. Diet has no bearing on IQ provided the diet supplies the appropriate amount of nutrients and protein. There are millions of other factors that go into determining environmental intelligence.

Its militaristic buffoons like you who give veggies a bad name. Come off yourself, and learn to accept other people even thought hey might disagree with you.

I just posted a link with a source.

Oh, I apologize for empathizing with living beings outside of my own species. I don't like the unnecessarily barbaric practice of slaughter and consumption for personal greed.
My cat kills and eats squirrels, birds and rabbits. But you probably wouldn't mind if he does it.

  • 12.24.2010 4:12 PM PDT

I'd give up everything just to make you happy.

Isn't the OP the same guy who supposedly inherited hundreds of millions of dollars?

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Pigs are just as intelligent as dogs, but I bet you wouldn't eat your own dog...
that's called emotional attachment if had a pet pig (or any pet for that matter) that I loved like a family member I would never kill it. unless it tried to kill me.

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Who gives, as long as it isn't a dawg

  • 12.24.2010 4:13 PM PDT

My counter argument as to why eating meat is better (At least with hunted animals, I'm not fond of slaughtering imprisoned cattle,) Is as follows:

Meat actually takes skill and effort to aquire. With you herbivores, what you're essentially doing is eating dirt. It's all just dirt, all you NEED to do to acquire your plant-based comestibles is dig them out of the ground. Only the lowliest, weakest of beings would sink so low as to pull the very food they eat from the mud and grit. Now then, with that established, let's take a look at carnivores: We carnivores invented one big societal leap forward: pack-hunting and co-operation. All you mudsuckers would never have needed to really work together, and the developement of any real socety in any organism would proceed more slowly in an herbivore than a carnivore. Lets look at the fruits of evolution in both sides, shall we... Cows, for example, typical herbivores, and also the absolute derpiest organism in existence by far. No strength, no agility, no co-operation, the cow does NOTING but graze, AKA, eat mud. Now ets look at a typical carnivore, wolves, we'll say. Wolves are extremely inteligent, and develope rudimentary social hierarchy that suggests a developing form of society in the making. They're agile, versatile, and they can work together. Which would you rather be? The cow, or the wolf?

In conclusion, your illusions of an absolute moral judgemenmt are flawed. Any supposedly "immoral" action is only labeled so based on ones personal opinion, or the common opinion of a society. Eating meat isn't wrong, nor is it right, you and I have no right to make such a judgement. Personally, I believe carnivores and omnivores are generally more civilized and intelignt, however, I respect your opinions, despite the fact that you needed to turn to poetry over logic to express them.

Good day to you, sir.


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Posted by: Mickey1980
Consciousness and metacognition are two completely different attributes. As of now, there is absolutely no evidence that they are metacognitive, so I won't live my life under that assumption.

What about a newbord child? I'm fairly certain they have no degree of metacognition, does that make it okay to kill them purple because of that?

Just like plants?
Plants do not breathe, nor do they have any self awareness or though capabilities.

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On a related note, ******'s mom has really nice boobs, and it doesn't take much booze or encouragement to get her to let the puppies out of the pen...if you know what I mean...


Posted by: AxFielder223
There is one word that will make every vegetarian, vegan, or hippie think again about their decision to not eat meat. Bacon.

I eat meat. I enjoy eating meat. You don't? Good for you. Telling me I can't eat meat? Go -blam!- die.
This is FTW ^___^

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