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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
So because your happy, nothing else matters? Wow, selfish.
Life's too short to worry about other people.
Only something a selfish person would say.
I'm kidding. Oh, and please don't reply to it. It's old.


So basically you agree with me, thanks.

  • 12.25.2010 5:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Luage

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Animals who die for your dinner table die alone, in terror, in sadness and in pain.

How do you know

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
The killing is merciless

so...

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
...and inhumane.


What have you been smokeing.


1. Watch the video

2. How do you know. (No but seriously, watch the video). You think it's merciless, but you have just assumed that.

3. I think some kind of plant... jk.

  • 12.25.2010 5:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Dropship dude
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
So because your happy, nothing else matters? Wow, selfish.
Life's too short to worry about other people.
Only something a selfish person would say.
I'm kidding. Oh, and please don't reply to it. It's old.
So basically you agree with me, thanks.
Of course I do. The slaughter of these animals is atricious. An act of pure evil, as you say. However, I will still eat meat. As long as I don't think about what I'm eating was before it ended up on my plate, I can live. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

Oh, and I'm sorry if I've come across as a tosser earlier in the thread. I lead a very boring life, and get brief laughs from my actions.

  • 12.25.2010 5:41 PM PDT

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Dropship dude
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
So because your happy, nothing else matters? Wow, selfish.
Life's too short to worry about other people.


Only something a selfish person would say.


How's the weather up on that cross?

  • 12.25.2010 5:43 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

The only thing I can gleam from it, is that you're still alive. Whether there is any feeling or thought at all, is unknown.

But to address your original point, watch the video I posted, and tell me that you could do that. If you can, you're heartless.

After you take enough trauma, you can't feel anything. Decapitations included.

I can't hurt animals, thank God I'm not the one killing them.

And quit making generalizations about people that eat meat. Just because we eat meat doesn't mean we don't like animals. Until you can understand us, gtfo.

  • 12.25.2010 5:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And the treatment of animals is another great factor. We aren't simply following instinct and such like by killing them and eating them to sustain ourselves. No we are doing it out of greed and lust. We want to have chicken burgers and double bacon, when it's killing us. It's killing the American nation, due to your own greed, and best of all, you are all so blinded with greed that you refuse to admit how evil it is.

Yes, because the moral implications of using animals incapable of meta-cognition as a source for sustenance is so much more pertinent than the famine that kills millions in Sub-Saharan Africa. As such, we are a barbaric race for attempting to boost the food reserves on this planet to feed these people, when we could let them die in order to satisfy the issues of morally ambiguous dilemmas for people like you.

You should know the implications of increasing crop yields to account for the fall in Animal produce. The amount of fertiliser that is used on crops is seriously damaging hydrological ecosystems. If you really want Humanity to fully subsidise meat and animal derivatives with crop then you had better be prepared for the major consequences in these places. Fertilisers contaminate rivers and lakes, causing rampant algae which causes de-oxygenation of the water killing fish and other marine life. (Almost half of the Lakes in the world are suffering from this).

Expansion of farms (Which have blanketed vast areas of countryside already, destroying the natural habitats of animals) would only contribute to this damage even more. How many field dwelling animals are killed when a combine harvester reaps the fields? Then you have got soil degradation and erosion which leaves cultivated areas dead heaps for decades. Pesticides getting onto water streams...self explanatory.

Crop only foodstuffs will also not give you the necessary nutrients such as iron and B12 that you need. You will have to rely on pills or processed goods. That means factories, chemicals; pollution.

When you look at these indirect effects is it any much different from harvesting animal produce? People eat meat probably so long as they do not see it alive first. Somebody said Ignorance is bliss earlier. The same applies to you. You are ignorant of the damage being done to the environment from crops.

  • 12.25.2010 5:56 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Dropship dude
[Of course I do. The slaughter of these animals is atricious. An act of pure evil, as you say. However, I will still eat meat. As long as I don't think about what I'm eating was before it ended up on my plate, I can live. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

Oh, and I'm sorry if I've come across as a tosser earlier in the thread. I lead a very boring life, and get brief laughs from my actions.


No worries, it's good, I shouldn't take things on an internet forum seriously enough to offend me, so don't worry if you did :)

OT: If you know it's wrong, but the fact that it does seem futile to stop, because you won't change anything, is ok by me.

But pretending that eating meat is right, I couldn't understand that.

  • 12.25.2010 6:15 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX

The only thing I can gleam from it, is that you're still alive. Whether there is any feeling or thought at all, is unknown.

But to address your original point, watch the video I posted, and tell me that you could do that. If you can, you're heartless.

After you take enough trauma, you can't feel anything. Decapitations included.

I can't hurt animals, thank God I'm not the one killing them.

And quit making generalizations about people that eat meat. Just because we eat meat doesn't mean we don't like animals. Until you can understand us, gtfo.


You are endorsing the slaughter of animals. You might as well be the one doing the cruelty to animals.

And the generalizations are more than just generalizations. You are exhibiting a type of behaviour (greed, don't pretend it isn't) so you are not being stereotyped, you're being categorized.

  • 12.25.2010 6:19 PM PDT
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quit preaching about animals being slaughtered, and that it's injustice to slaughter/eat animals Humens are animals

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  • 12.25.2010 6:20 PM PDT

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Well even animals kill and eat other animals and humans are basically just animals too. Though we could cut down on the excessive waste.

  • 12.25.2010 6:22 PM PDT
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The OP is probably just another PETA member, Vegans are lame

  • 12.25.2010 6:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ric_Adbur
No one should ever be afraid of looking stupid, so long as they are making a rational effort to expand their understanding.

Avid hunter and meat eater checking in. OP your heartfelt tear-jerking attempt to change the world is a waste. Man has been eating meat since the beginning. Its nutritional benefit cannot be denied. People do not change due to anonymous sycophants, but instead to fact and will.

  • 12.25.2010 6:26 PM PDT

Betty White for President!

Posted by: Usze Taham S3F6
The OP is probably just another PETA member, Vegans are lame


People who care about animals suck!

Michael Vick is a model citizen!

You fail.

  • 12.25.2010 6:26 PM PDT

Chupa's got a little secret, yes he does.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Our bodies are not designed to.


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  • 12.25.2010 6:29 PM PDT
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Contrary to popular belief, friendship is not magic. Unless sex is involved.

Jesus -blam!- Christ, is this thread still going? And the OP is even still posting? How long will it take you idiots to realize that this guy is too -blam!- stupid to understand any counter-argument you'll ever be able to come up with?

  • 12.25.2010 6:29 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: A18
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And the treatment of animals is another great factor. We aren't simply following instinct and such like by killing them and eating them to sustain ourselves. No we are doing it out of greed and lust. We want to have chicken burgers and double bacon, when it's killing us. It's killing the American nation, due to your own greed, and best of all, you are all so blinded with greed that you refuse to admit how evil it is.

Yes, because the moral implications of using animals incapable of meta-cognition as a source for sustenance is so much more pertinent than the famine that kills millions in Sub-Saharan Africa. As such, we are a barbaric race for attempting to boost the food reserves on this planet to feed these people, when we could let them die in order to satisfy the issues of morally ambiguous dilemmas for people like you.

You should know the implications of increasing crop yields to account for the fall in Animal produce. The amount of fertiliser that is used on crops is seriously damaging hydrological ecosystems. If you really want Humanity to fully subsidise meat and animal derivatives with crop then you had better be prepared for the major consequences in these places. Fertilisers contaminate rivers and lakes, causing rampant algae which causes de-oxygenation of the water killing fish and other marine life. (Almost half of the Lakes in the world are suffering from this).

Expansion of farms (Which have blanketed vast areas of countryside already, destroying the natural habitats of animals) would only contribute to this damage even more. How many field dwelling animals are killed when a combine harvester reaps the fields? Then you have got soil degradation and erosion which leaves cultivated areas dead heaps for decades. Pesticides getting onto water streams...self explanatory.

Crop only foodstuffs will also not give you the necessary nutrients such as iron and B12 that you need. You will have to rely on pills or processed goods. That means factories, chemicals; pollution.

When you look at these indirect effects is it any much different from harvesting animal produce? People eat meat probably so long as they do not see it alive first. Somebody said Ignorance is bliss earlier. The same applies to you. You are ignorant of the damage being done to the environment from crops.


You should note that their are mountains of food reserves from EU farmers, that could easily feed all the Africans. The reason they don't, is because distribution is complicated, but mainly because this will completely de-stabilise the economies of third world countries, crushing any chance of becoming a developed country, "Feed a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach him to fish, eats for a lifetime". So no, you are completely misinformed here.

Yes, you can obtain all the necessary nutrition from non-meat food sources, that is evident as there is existence of vegetarians.

To the topic of over cultivation. I understand that this is also a problem, but it's a problem which can be managed, something not apparent with killing animals. And yet again, a vegetarian basically makes the choice, "Plants or animals" and killing a plant is a lot better (considering it isn't feeling) than killing an animal, which feels the same pain and the same pain you do, but they will experience worse than you'll ever have to.

  • 12.25.2010 6:29 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Usze Taham S3F6
quit preaching about animals being slaughtered, and that it's injustice to slaughter/eat animals Humens are animals


And we condemn people who slaughter humans!!!!!!

  • 12.25.2010 6:30 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: I am Dave
Jesus -blam!- Christ, is this thread still going? And the OP is even still posting? How long will it take you idiots to realize that this guy is too -blam!- stupid to understand any counter-argument you'll ever be able to come up with?


Proven that you're an ignorant retard who doesn't even deserve an opinion on any matter which involves a certain level of thinking and morality.

  • 12.25.2010 6:32 PM PDT
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Who cares?

  • 12.25.2010 6:33 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Usze Taham S3F6
Who cares?


1200 replies...

Someone cares.

  • 12.25.2010 6:34 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.


Posted by: BeagleWeezles
Posted by: Usze Taham S3F6
The OP is probably just another PETA member, Vegans are lame


People who care about animals suck!

Michael Vick is a model citizen!

You fail.


People who know that cows and chickens are surviving BECAUSE we are eating them suck!

Comparing Animal killing to the Holocaust is fine!

YOU fail.

  • 12.25.2010 6:35 PM PDT

Your mother is a very handsome man.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Usze Taham S3F6
Who cares?


1200 replies...

Someone cares.

Yeah, but we've mostly been arguing against you, so it doesn't really count.

  • 12.25.2010 6:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ric_Adbur
No one should ever be afraid of looking stupid, so long as they are making a rational effort to expand their understanding.

This reminds me of a cliche... When a conservative makes the conscious decision to not eat meat, he doesn't eat meat. When a liberal makes the decision to not eat meat, he tries to force the world to follow suit.
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Proven that you're an ignorant retard who doesn't even deserve an opinion on any matter which involves a certain level of thinking and morality.

  • 12.25.2010 6:36 PM PDT
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Contrary to popular belief, friendship is not magic. Unless sex is involved.

If there are any mods reading this: Please put this -blam!- thread out of it's misery.

  • 12.25.2010 6:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Darth1Snyder
This reminds me of a cliche... When a conservative makes the conscious decision to not eat meat, he doesn't eat meat. When a liberal makes the decision to not eat meat, he tries to force the world to follow suit.
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Proven that you're an ignorant retard who doesn't even deserve an opinion on any matter which involves a certain level of thinking and morality.


I completely agree. His arrogance about the subject is amazing.

  • 12.25.2010 6:38 PM PDT