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I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Computerexpert3
Us humans would be f**ked too, since we need meat for important nutrients.


You say some smart things, but then some stupid things.

Do you believe vegetarians don't exist.

  • 12.25.2010 6:58 PM PDT

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Reposting because I seem to have been ignored on the previous page.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Usze Taham S3F6
quit preaching about animals being slaughtered, and that it's injustice to slaughter/eat animals Humens are animals


And we condemn people who slaughter humans!!!!!!

I don' think you understand human behavioral psychology fairly well.

See, most human morals are aimed at societal health and order. People who kill other humans disrupt society, cause fear, and cause detriment to the species, so of course we'd see it as bad. However, raising animals and killing them for food helps feed people and allows society to thrive.

Also, humans have been hunting and eating meat for hundreds of millenia. It's frankly silly to claim that we somehow aren't 'designed' to eat meat, when we've been doing it for as long as our species has existed. We're clearly an omnivorous species.

Allow me to ask you some questions. Have you ever swatted a fly? Do you think swatting a fly is immoral? How about stepping on a cockroach? Destroying a wasp's nest? Catching a mouse in a mouse trap? Shooting a rabid racoon?

My point is: Where you you draw the line here? At what point does killing an organism become 'wrong?' I think you'll find that where you put that line yourself is exactly as arbitrary as those who give humans special privilege.

Personally, I draw the line at organisms capable of sentient thought, and pets. Why? Because that's the point when it 'feels' wrong to me. I suppose empathy is the deciding factor to me; it's tough to empathize with an organism that can't really think. As for pets, it's just because I like them. Once again, arbitrary.

If you don't want to eat mean, feel free. That's your choice to make, but you shouldn't be so simplistic if you want to convince others.

  • 12.25.2010 7:00 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.

Of course we are designed to eat meat.

As others have said, we have been eating meat for hundreds of thousends of years. ARE YOU F**KING BLIND?!!

  • 12.25.2010 7:02 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: JSibs99

I agree with you when you say that there are some arrogant people on this side of the argument. [/quote]I've only pointed out how arrogant YOU were being.


That's why you're a hypocrite.

And arrogant (your words, not mine).

How is that being hypocritical? I said that there are arrogant people on my side of the argument. I only pointed you out because the post i was replying to at the time was about a comment you made about someone being an ignorant retard who doesn't deserve an opinion on the matter. BUT WAIT! A forum is a place for someone to share their opinions, right?
It's a forum, it's meant for people to express their ideas and beliefs and then debate them.

[Edited on 12.25.2010 7:04 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 7:02 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tutueater
Actually, you'll find he proves my point.[/quote]
Your point is that you find it morally wrong to eat animals. You other point is that I don't care for anybody but myself because I'm human, so I don't think it's an efficient use of your Saturday trying to convince people on an internet forum to see your side of things. My point is that we shouldn't bother with animals until we as humans are all being treated equally, which I've stated multiple times in this thread and you haven't bothered coming up with an answer to yet.


Oh, it's not an efficient use of my time, you know, because you noticed I was right about that point.

Then why are you trying to convince me of yours?

Anyway, to your point.

Your point suggests that we are working towards a goal of becoming a species which is morally divine? Maybe one method is better than the other, but it doesn't matter as both have to be achieved. And personally, just an opinion, we should work on both at the same time.

But in all honesty, I'd rather kill a dog than a human, I do believe human treatment is more important than animal treatment (because we are sentient, not because I think humans are more worthy or valuable than other animals).

  • 12.25.2010 7:03 PM PDT

I can't justify the reason this thread is still on here.

If you don't want to eat meat, good for you. If you want to argue about it, you're going to lose.

I say just stop replying, everyone.

  • 12.25.2010 7:04 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: Computerexpert3
Of course we are designed to eat meat.

As others have said, we have been eating meat for hundreds of thousends of years. ARE YOU F**KING BLIND?!!
He's not blind, he just chooses to be ignorant.


You say that, but if you check back through the thread, I conceded that point. So tell me again how I am ignorant, yet you fail to read the thread at all, and then post on subjects which you have no knowledge of.

  • 12.25.2010 7:05 PM PDT

Its just how Mother nature is but i must admit we kinda cheat at it nowadays..

  • 12.25.2010 7:05 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: JSibs99

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: JSibs99

I agree with you when you say that there are some arrogant people on this side of the argument. [/quote]I've only pointed out how arrogant YOU were being.


That's why you're a hypocrite.

And arrogant (your words, not mine).

How is that being hypocritical? I said that there are arrogant people on my side of the argument. I only pointed you out because the post i was replying to at the time was about a comment you made about someone being an ignorant retard who doesn't deserve an opinion on the matter. BUT WAIT! A forum is a place for someone to share their opinions, right?
It's a forum, it's meant for people to express their ideas and beliefs and then debate them.


Oh my jesus christ. You called me arrogant for expressing my opinion then you tell me a forum is for expressing my opinion.

Then next, you call me arrogant and say, "I'm arrogant too".

And somehow, you can't even see that you are being hypocritical.

What goes through your head?

  • 12.25.2010 7:07 PM PDT
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I enjjoy slaughtering animals if it means surviving

  • 12.25.2010 7:08 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: baklash 1337
If you don't want to eat meat, good for you. If you want to argue about it, you're going to lose.


Why's that bro?

  • 12.25.2010 7:09 PM PDT
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Everyone in this thread is getting their eyeballs trolled out, and you should all be very ashamed of that.

  • 12.25.2010 7:09 PM PDT

Your mother is a very handsome man.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tutueater
Actually, you'll find he proves my point.[/quote]
Your point is that you find it morally wrong to eat animals. You other point is that I don't care for anybody but myself because I'm human, so I don't think it's an efficient use of your Saturday trying to convince people on an internet forum to see your side of things. My point is that we shouldn't bother with animals until we as humans are all being treated equally, which I've stated multiple times in this thread and you haven't bothered coming up with an answer to yet.


Oh, it's not an efficient use of my time, you know, because you noticed I was right about that point.

Then why are you trying to convince me of yours?

Anyway, to your point.

Your point suggests that we are working towards a goal of becoming a species which is morally divine? Maybe one method is better than the other, but it doesn't matter as both have to be achieved. And personally, just an opinion, we should work on both at the same time.

But in all honesty, I'd rather kill a dog than a human, I do believe human treatment is more important than animal treatment (because we are sentient, not because I think humans are more worthy or valuable than other animals).

I'm not consciously trying to force any of my opinions upon you. I don't care if you'd rather save Bambi or a human, and I don't want you to care which one I'd save either. It's pointless for us to try and provide humane treatment to animals if we are incapable of providing it to ourselves. It's like a blind man teaching another blind man how to take photographs.

  • 12.25.2010 7:10 PM PDT

Your mother is a very handsome man.

Posted by: Harlow
Everyone in this thread is getting their eyeballs trolled out, and you should all be very ashamed of that.

It gives me a chance to be serious, and that's always well received.

  • 12.25.2010 7:11 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: Computerexpert3
Of course we are designed to eat meat.

As others have said, we have been eating meat for hundreds of thousends of years. ARE YOU F**KING BLIND?!!
He's not blind, he just chooses to be ignorant.


You say that, but if you check back through the thread, I conceded that point. So tell me again how I am ignorant, yet you fail to read the thread at all, and then post on subjects which you have no knowledge of.
Fail to read the thread? I wasted an hour of my life reading the whole goddamn thing!! Yes, you have conceded that point, but you wasted twenty pages arguing about it before you finally realized it was right.


But when I was shown enough evidence, I was able to change my opinion.

More than anyone else here seems to have been able to do. They just leave or ignore the points. And I suppose a couple of people did admit they were wrong (in a very roundabout way) they said it doesn't matter at all.

But of course, it is me who is ignorant.

  • 12.25.2010 7:12 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: JSibs99

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: JSibs99

I agree with you when you say that there are some arrogant people on this side of the argument. [/quote]I've only pointed out how arrogant YOU were being.


That's why you're a hypocrite.

And arrogant (your words, not mine).

How is that being hypocritical? I said that there are arrogant people on my side of the argument. I only pointed you out because the post i was replying to at the time was about a comment you made about someone being an ignorant retard who doesn't deserve an opinion on the matter. BUT WAIT! A forum is a place for someone to share their opinions, right?
It's a forum, it's meant for people to express their ideas and beliefs and then debate them.


Oh my jesus christ. You called me arrogant for expressing my opinion then you tell me a forum is for expressing my opinion.

Then next, you call me arrogant and say, "I'm arrogant too".

And somehow, you can't even see that you are being hypocritical.

What goes through your head?
You were not expressing your opinion, you, and Wyldfyre were trying to force it down our throats; it didn't work.


Well it wouldn't, because like you called me, you were all being blind and ignorant.

  • 12.25.2010 7:14 PM PDT

Jesus, this thread is still going? I thought it would die soon after 500 posts, but 1300+ posts of feeding this guy?
Flood, I am disappoint.

  • 12.25.2010 7:16 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: JSibs99

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: JSibs99

I agree with you when you say that there are some arrogant people on this side of the argument. [/quote]I've only pointed out how arrogant YOU were being.


That's why you're a hypocrite.

And arrogant (your words, not mine).

How is that being hypocritical? I said that there are arrogant people on my side of the argument. I only pointed you out because the post i was replying to at the time was about a comment you made about someone being an ignorant retard who doesn't deserve an opinion on the matter. BUT WAIT! A forum is a place for someone to share their opinions, right?
It's a forum, it's meant for people to express their ideas and beliefs and then debate them.


Oh my jesus christ. You called me arrogant for expressing my opinion then you tell me a forum is for expressing my opinion.

Then next, you call me arrogant and say, "I'm arrogant too".

And somehow, you can't even see that you are being hypocritical.

What goes through your head?

There's a difference between expressing an opinion, and telling someone that they're an ignorant retard who doesn't deserve an opinion on a subject. I never said anything about your opinion. In my opinion, great! You're being a vegetarian, good for you! I'm just going to keep doing what i do.

I only brought up what you said about a forum being a place for opinions because you said the one person doesn't deserve an opinion, but then, a few posts later, say that this is a thread for opinions to be shared and discussed. Calling someone an ignorant retard for their opinion doesn't strike me as discussing.

  • 12.25.2010 7:16 PM PDT