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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620

The only "evidence" you've posted is morality, the evidence we've posted is based around fact.


No, I've shown you moral evidence.

Did you watch the video? I don't care how subjective anything is, nobody can say that's right.

So, what did you think of the video?

  • 12.25.2010 7:18 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

The only "evidence" you've posted is morality, the evidence we've posted is based around fact.


No, I've shown you moral evidence.

Did you watch the video? I don't care how subjective anything is, nobody can say that's right.

So, what did you think of the video?

Is it right? No. But guess what, it was illegal anyway.

  • 12.25.2010 7:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

The only "evidence" you've posted is morality, the evidence we've posted is based around fact.


No, I've shown you moral evidence.

What's 'moral evidence?'

  • 12.25.2010 7:20 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.

Look, you not eating that animal means it died for nothing, the least you could do for it is eat it. People will still kill it anyways, no matter what you think

OWNED.

The komoto dragon kills its prey by biting his victoms in a exposed area. After he bites his prey, the sylvia on his mouth seeps into the wound and injects poision into its blood vessels. The victioms internal organs will slwoly shut down and die over a course of two days. While those two days the komoto dragon stalks his prey until it falls down. Once the animal can no longer move or defend itself the komoto dragon eats its prey alive. Eating meat is completly naturall. In fact we actually do the animals a favor by killing them fast and painless unlike the komoto dragon. Grow up and stop listing everything PETA tells you.

OWNED.

Meat is a more reliable, for lack of a better word, protein source than anything else. Don't bring in that "dairy" bull, you morality types don't eat meat because it's "immoral", yet, eating dairy is Much more immoral.

OWNED.

Our ancestors ate meat, why not us?

OWNED.

Seeing a pattern?

  • 12.25.2010 7:21 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

The only "evidence" you've posted is morality, the evidence we've posted is based around fact.


No, I've shown you moral evidence.

You just proved my point, dumb ass.


And you've proved mine. You ignore it when you know you can't answer it. I've answered every tough question in this thread, but you guys just ignore that video.

And I proved your point that I've only provided moral evidence? It's a moral issue. Dumb ass.

  • 12.25.2010 7:22 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

The only "evidence" you've posted is morality, the evidence we've posted is based around fact.


No, I've shown you moral evidence.

You just proved my point, dumb ass.


And you've proved mine. You ignore it when you know you can't answer it. I've answered every tough question in this thread, but you guys just ignore that video.

And I proved your point that I've only provided moral evidence? It's a moral issue. Dumb ass.

That means keep it to yourself because you can't sway everyone's opinion.

  • 12.25.2010 7:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

The only "evidence" you've posted is morality, the evidence we've posted is based around fact.


No, I've shown you moral evidence.

You just proved my point, dumb ass.


And you've proved mine. You ignore it when you know you can't answer it. I've answered every tough question in this thread, but you guys just ignore that video.

And I proved your point that I've only provided moral evidence? It's a moral issue. Dumb ass.

How many times are you guys going to go back and forth on this "You proved my point for me," nonsense?

I swear, sometimes I wonder why I bother posting.

[Edited on 12.25.2010 7:24 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 7:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And you've proved mine. You ignore it when you know you can't answer it. I've answered every tough question in this thread, but you guys just ignore that video.

And I proved your point that I've only provided moral evidence? It's a moral issue. Dumb ass.

Troll harder. The first half of this thread you were banging about how humans are not meant to eat meat. You didn't start mentioning this morals stuff until much later when you had ran out of facts.

  • 12.25.2010 7:26 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

The only "evidence" you've posted is morality, the evidence we've posted is based around fact.




Did you watch the video?

So, what did you think of the video?
That video didn't show what a common slaughterhouse does to animals, it found one that wasn't doing what it was supposed to and showed it.


That's what they do to animals. Not all, but it clearly is happening.

Whether this is illegal or not, it happens.

And have you not seen how chickens are kept? Commonly? Actually in vast majority?

You know that the video shows common occurrences, because there are no real rules protecting animals in slaughterhouses from cruelty.

And the fact you make up that it was illegal (which doesn't change anything) and that it's not commonplace (which is not necessarily true) yet again proves my points. You just can't accept that it's evil, you have to lie to justify it to yourself.

  • 12.25.2010 7:27 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.

Where is the video this guy keeps mentioning?

  • 12.25.2010 7:29 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tutueater
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
And you've proved mine. You ignore it when you know you can't answer it. I've answered every tough question in this thread, but you guys just ignore that video.

And I proved your point that I've only provided moral evidence? It's a moral issue. Dumb ass.

Troll harder. The first half of this thread you were banging about how humans are not meant to eat meat. You didn't start mentioning this morals stuff until much later when you had ran out of facts.


It's in the OP, did you not read the poem?

The title, "I can't justify eating meat any more".

It's a moral issue, and my point on the meat eating not being 'natural' was merely to add extra validation that not only is it wrong morally, it's wrong naturally.

Now I concede that it's just wrong morally, the main point of the OP.

  • 12.25.2010 7:29 PM PDT

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Murder
a group or flock of crows.


Crows must be tasty if eating meat is murder.

[Edited on 12.25.2010 7:31 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 7:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
You should note that their are mountains of food reserves from EU farmers, that could easily feed all the Africans. The reason they don't, is because distribution is complicated, but mainly because this will completely de-stabilise the economies of third world countries, crushing any chance of becoming a developed country, "Feed a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach him to fish, eats for a lifetime". So no, you are completely misinformed here.

You have missed the point. Once these countries become self-sustainable, they will also have acres upon acres of land. 24% of the lakes in Africa are already suffering from the effects of eutriphication, and they do not rely nearly as heavily on crops as we do. You could better distribute the food, but you are right in that it would breed dependency. It also means we have to increase or remain constant with our production levels (Which are very damaging just now). So we let them grow their own crops, and the problem is not alleviated at all, just distributed evenly. There is no escape from this. The unseen animal cruelty from that would be just as bad as the stuff from cattle.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Yes, you can obtain all the necessary nutrition from non-meat food sources, that is evident as there is existence of vegetarians.

Vitamin B12 is not. The only reasons Vegans are largely without serious anaemia and other diseases cause by deficiency in this nutrient is because they have stockpiled enough over their younger years when they still ate meant; before they chose to become vegans. If you want to raise your baby 100% meat free then he/she will have to rely on processed food stuffs or supplements for a while.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
To the topic of over cultivation. I understand that this is also a problem, but it's a problem which can be managed, something not apparent with killing animals. And yet again, a vegetarian basically makes the choice, "Plants or animals" and killing a plant is a lot better (considering it isn't feeling) than killing an animal, which feels the same pain and the same pain you do, but they will experience worse than you'll ever have to.

Yes, but it cannot be sustained indefinitely. Soil leaching occurring over time results in more fertilisers being required or more fresh land being required. As you say, as the poorer nations grow agriculturally, they will have a greater eutriphication rate of their hydrological environments. Coastal areas are also affected. It is not sustainable even now. Rural land degradation is a serious problem. Factor in climate change. Solely relying on agriculture would be a bad move for the environment and Humanity. If your crops fail, there is nothing else. You starve.

I am not supporting slaughtering animals, but relying on a single food source, one as damaging as agriculture, is never a good idea.

  • 12.25.2010 7:31 PM PDT

"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."

lol. Lucky I live in america, then.

The meat is so processed that I wouldn't be surprised if only 5% were from animals.

So I'm 95% more innocent. Yay.

  • 12.25.2010 7:32 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Computerexpert3
Look, you not eating that animal means it died for nothing, the least you could do for it is eat it. People will still kill it anyways, no matter what you think

OWNED.

The komoto dragon kills its prey by biting his victoms in a exposed area. After he bites his prey, the sylvia on his mouth seeps into the wound and injects poision into its blood vessels. The victioms internal organs will slwoly shut down and die over a course of two days. While those two days the komoto dragon stalks his prey until it falls down. Once the animal can no longer move or defend itself the komoto dragon eats its prey alive. Eating meat is completly naturall. In fact we actually do the animals a favor by killing them fast and painless unlike the komoto dragon. Grow up and stop listing everything PETA tells you.

OWNED.

Meat is a more reliable, for lack of a better word, protein source than anything else. Don't bring in that "dairy" bull, you morality types don't eat meat because it's "immoral", yet, eating dairy is Much more immoral.

OWNED.

Our ancestors ate meat, why not us?

OWNED.

Seeing a pattern?


I'm sorry, but I can't answer these questions again. If you want to know my responses to these, you should check the thread. I have given adequate rebuttals to these already. Some of them are similar questions, and I've answered them numerous times.

And just because you and your fanboy tjs, says I'm owned, does not mean I'm owned, especially as you have a bias, so you cannot be a judge.

  • 12.25.2010 7:32 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

The only "evidence" you've posted is morality, the evidence we've posted is based around fact.




Did you watch the video?

So, what did you think of the video?
That video didn't show what a common slaughterhouse does to animals, it found one that wasn't doing what it was supposed to and showed it.


That's what they do to animals. Not all, but it clearly is happening.

Whether this is illegal or not, it happens.

And have you not seen how chickens are kept? Commonly? Actually in vast majority?

You know that the video shows common occurrences, because there are no real rules protecting animals in slaughterhouses from cruelty.

And the fact you make up that it was illegal (which doesn't change anything) and that it's not commonplace (which is not necessarily true) yet again proves my points. You just can't accept that it's evil, you have to lie to justify it to yourself.
I'm not the one who said it was illegal, and it wasn't made up, it's illegal. Whether slaughterhouses follow those rules or not doesn't matter, because I only want the meat. If the slaughterhouse doesn't obey the law that's there fault, not mine.


You endorse it. But you've just shown that you want to put the guilt somewhere else, showing that you do think it's wrong.

And since you endorse it, you are doing the wrong. And you know this too.

Wow, I knew you knew. You can't shift the responsibility, it's yours and everyone else who eats meat.

[Edited on 12.25.2010 7:36 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 7:35 PM PDT

I do whatever.

Why is this thread still alive?

  • 12.25.2010 7:35 PM PDT

I am the God Emprah of Mankind.

Deal with it.

Oh well more steak for me have fun.

  • 12.25.2010 7:36 PM PDT