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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

Your mother is a very handsome man.

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620
Eating meat isn't wrong, their treatment in the slaughterhouse is. Your whole argument is based on false assumptions.


No, eating meat from the slaughterhouse is wrong and eating meat for gluttony, not survival.

Letting the animal die in the slaughterhouse, and not eating it is just a waste of life. Riddle me this: If an animal was killed in a slaughterhouse what would you rather do with it: Eat it for nutrients? Or throw in some dumpster and waste its life?


OH MY LORD YOU DON'T KILL IT!

You're performance has degraded noticeably.

  • 12.25.2010 7:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: tutueater
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620
Eating meat isn't wrong, their treatment in the slaughterhouse is. Your whole argument is based on false assumptions.


No, eating meat from the slaughterhouse is wrong and eating meat for gluttony, not survival.

Letting the animal die in the slaughterhouse, and not eating it is just a waste of life. Riddle me this: If an animal was killed in a slaughterhouse what would you rather do with it: Eat it for nutrients? Or throw in some dumpster and waste its life?


OH MY LORD YOU DON'T KILL IT!

You're performance has degraded noticeably.

Pff, what performance?

  • 12.25.2010 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: RogueAssassin27
Good. Now that both sides have reached a compromise let's let the thread die.

  • 12.25.2010 7:48 PM PDT


Posted by: RogueAssassin27
Good. Now that both sides have reached a compromise let's let the thread die.

Agreed. Lets end this.

  • 12.25.2010 7:48 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: RogueAssassin27

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: RogueAssassin27
Eating meat? Sure.
Slaughtering animals? No way.
Slaughtering is just killing, did you mean torturing?
Let me rephrase.

I support the consumption of meat to intake nutrients. I do not support slaughterhouses. I know the little meat I do eat comes from them, but if I found another source I would leap at it.
Oh, if that's the case, then I completely agree with you.


You realise that you can survive without meat? You've just said you would if you could. And you can.

  • 12.25.2010 7:48 PM PDT

Posted by: neoshogun
Posted by: Yoozel
Neo has officially been promoted to barf cleaner-upper and pukee hair holder.
I am honored to have that position. While your barfing I can steal your wallets!

It's creepy enough that people stalk Bungie via Webcams, but it's even worse how they stalk back.

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
You guys are just arguing to argue at this point. No headway is being made by either side. (much like any other argument on the internet... hmm...)

It's quite amazing that they have over 50 pages of this too. Where each page is pretty much the same as the last. Amazing....

  • 12.25.2010 7:48 PM PDT

Your mother is a very handsome man.

Posted by: old bad dog

You're performance has degraded noticeably. [/quote]
Pff, what performance?

Trollin'

  • 12.25.2010 7:49 PM PDT

Oh Hia

EXCUSE ME SIR, YOU HAVEN'T CLAIMED YOUR TROPHY YET, IT'S GETTING COLD

  • 12.25.2010 7:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: RogueAssassin27

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: RogueAssassin27
Eating meat? Sure.
Slaughtering animals? No way.
Slaughtering is just killing, did you mean torturing?
Let me rephrase.

I support the consumption of meat to intake nutrients. I do not support slaughterhouses. I know the little meat I do eat comes from them, but if I found another source I would leap at it.
Oh, if that's the case, then I completely agree with you.


You realise that you can survive without meat? You've just said you would if you could. And you can.
I meant a cleaner method of obtaining meat other than slaughterhouses, such as hunting.

  • 12.25.2010 7:50 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Lies
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
That's what they do to animals. Not all, but it clearly is happening.

Whether this is illegal or not, it happens.

And have you not seen how chickens are kept? Commonly? Actually in vast majority?

You know that the video shows common occurrences, because there are no real rules protecting animals in slaughterhouses from cruelty.

And the fact you make up that it was illegal (which doesn't change anything) and that it's not commonplace (which is not necessarily true) yet again proves my points. You just can't accept that it's evil, you have to lie to justify it to yourself.

So let's recap this thread:

- You start out claiming that humans are not meant to eat meat.

- After that argument failed, you switched to the position that the killing of other animals for food is cruel.

- Now that the above argument has been shown to make no sense, considering that ALL predatory animals kill for their meals, you moved onto abandoning the so called facts you were voicing earlier, and now claim that it's an issue of morality. Like the above argument, it makes no sense because other animals kill for their meals. Suddenly it's immoral for humans to abide by the laws of nature that apply to other animals?

- And now, finally, you have taken the position that all of that other stuff you spent 40 pages on is irrelevant, and that the real reason eating meat is cruel is because of the conditions that animals are kept in are unnecessarily deplorable.


Do you plan on keeping the same argument for more than 2 pages, or are you going to keep grasping at more straws every time your argument is countered?


Why don't you read the OP? It clearly shows that it's a topic of morality. Just read the title and you can see that.

  • 12.25.2010 7:50 PM PDT


Posted by: RogueAssassin27

Posted by: RogueAssassin27
Good. Now that both sides have reached a compromise let's let the thread die.

  • 12.25.2010 7:51 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620
You realise that you can survive without meat? You've just said you would if you could. And you can.[/quote]When the hell did I say that?


You said, if there was another source of nutrients other than meat, that could provide a healthy diet, you'd eat it rather than meat.

You said it in your last post.

  • 12.25.2010 7:52 PM PDT


Posted by: neoshogun
Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
You guys are just arguing to argue at this point. No headway is being made by either side. (much like any other argument on the internet... hmm...)

It's quite amazing that they have over 50 pages of this too. Where each page is pretty much the same as the last. Amazing....
Teen angst is a fickle mistress. I guess some people would rather continue pointless arguments, than not have attention directed at them.

Whatever helps them sleep at night.

  • 12.25.2010 7:52 PM PDT

Oh Hia

SIR, YOU STILL HAVE YET TO CLAIM YOUR TROPHY

  • 12.25.2010 7:52 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.

*Sigh* Why can't you leave the people with a brain alone and stop forcing your extremist bulls**t views onto other people just because they realise that this is a matter of personal choice?

  • 12.25.2010 7:52 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Lies
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
That's what they do to animals. Not all, but it clearly is happening.

Whether this is illegal or not, it happens.

And have you not seen how chickens are kept? Commonly? Actually in vast majority?

You know that the video shows common occurrences, because there are no real rules protecting animals in slaughterhouses from cruelty.

And the fact you make up that it was illegal (which doesn't change anything) and that it's not commonplace (which is not necessarily true) yet again proves my points. You just can't accept that it's evil, you have to lie to justify it to yourself.

So let's recap this thread:

- You start out claiming that humans are not meant to eat meat.

- After that argument failed, you switched to the position that the killing of other animals for food is cruel.

- Now that the above argument has been shown to make no sense, considering that ALL predatory animals kill for their meals, you moved onto abandoning the so called facts you were voicing earlier, and now claim that it's an issue of morality. Like the above argument, it makes no sense because other animals kill for their meals. Suddenly it's immoral for humans to abide by the laws of nature that apply to other animals?

- And now, finally, you have taken the position that all of that other stuff you spent 40 pages on is irrelevant, and that the real reason eating meat is cruel is because of the conditions that animals are kept in are unnecessarily deplorable.


Do you plan on keeping the same argument for more than 2 pages, or are you going to keep grasping at more straws every time your argument is countered?


Why don't you read the OP? It clearly shows that it's a topic of morality. Just read the title and you can see that.
We read the OP, his point is you keep switching arguments when they are proven wrong, instead of admitting your defeat.


I've said it before, I'll say it again.

My main point is that it's morally incorrect. I also stated that I think it's naturally incorrect, but I conceded this point. You see I admitted my defeat in that field.

But you've admitted your defeat in a number of ways, but you refuse to do it directly (on the moral issue that killing animals for the taste is wrong).

  • 12.25.2010 7:54 PM PDT

Your mother is a very handsome man.

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: neoshogun
Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
You guys are just arguing to argue at this point. No headway is being made by either side. (much like any other argument on the internet... hmm...)

It's quite amazing that they have over 50 pages of this too. Where each page is pretty much the same as the last. Amazing....
Teen angst is a fickle mistress. I guess some people would rather continue pointless arguments, than not have attention directed at them.

Whatever helps them sleep at night.

A bit condescending there.

  • 12.25.2010 7:55 PM PDT

Oh Hia

SIR, WE KNOW WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE, HINDING ISN'T HELPING, COME CLAIM YOUR TROPHY ALREADY, THE CROWD IS GETTING UPSET

  • 12.25.2010 7:55 PM PDT

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[Edited on 12.25.2010 7:57 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 7:57 PM PDT

"Only the Fallen are Heroes, while the ones who still stand are villains"

OP is just a troll, a very good one at that. He accomplished what he wanted. Causing a big pointless argument just so his fat Ego can grow even more. It was already obese from when he stated he inherited millions of dollars. Now it's morbidly obese thanks to the fighting hes caused in this thread.

I only read up to page 10 seeing as the arguments became repetitive. So I'm not replying to any of the recent pages. This is my opinion of Sapiens; Us.

We are Omnivores, we evolved from Omnivores all the way down to the first mammal which ate insects. In a sense Omnivores are the more advanced evolution. As they have evolved into taking in multiple food sources to survive instead of being limited to 1 type. Saying we should only go to being "Herbivores" is yes "morally" correct and shows humans are being "nice" (not quotation marked words are said nasally) But to mother nature and the law of "survival of the fittest" is de-evolution. Metaphorically it would be like switching from a vehicle that could run on both water(steam) and electricity. Which is very helpful as if 1 resource isn't attainable you still have a choice to go for the other. Thus survival is achievable.
While only running on 1 fuel and that 1 fuel is missing then survival is not achievable. Which is how some extinctions have happened. Plants die out, herbivores starve and die out, carnivores can last longer by eating themselves and survive long enough that plants return but may die out in time. Omnivores can switch between plants and meat when one is missing.

So the argument that humans should only be herbivores is literally retarded as it may lead to extinction to the species. While Omnivores can survive on meat as well. The only time I support "vegetarians" and "vegans" is when the food they protest is being killed in a inhumane way. (Which is what Kosher food is for.) Other then that. Thats my opinion on the real argument while my response to the OP Troll is!

Troll the Troller - (R-NSFW)

  • 12.25.2010 7:57 PM PDT