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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

You don't tell the wolf that that poor rabbit was meant to live.

We can get our meat from hunting, just like animals do, or we can buy it so we don't have to hunt.

  • 12.25.2010 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Morals are not set in stone. In other words, it differs from person to person.

  • 12.25.2010 7:58 PM PDT

You seem to have ignored this argument (twice) which seems pretty good
Posted by: shOOt_u_ded
I don' think you understand human behavioral psychology fairly well.

See, most human morals are aimed at societal health and order. People who kill other humans disrupt society, cause fear, and cause detriment to the species, so of course we'd see it as bad. However, raising animals and killing them for food helps feed people and allows society to thrive.

Also, humans have been hunting and eating meat for hundreds of millenia. It's frankly silly to claim that we somehow aren't 'designed' to eat meat, when we've been doing it for as long as our species has existed. We're clearly an omnivorous species.

Allow me to ask you some questions. Have you ever swatted a fly? Do you think swatting a fly is immoral? How about stepping on a cockroach? Destroying a wasp's nest? Catching a mouse in a mouse trap? Shooting a rabid racoon?

My point is: Where you you draw the line here? At what point does killing an organism become 'wrong?' I think you'll find that where you put that line yourself is exactly as arbitrary as those who give humans special privilege.

Personally, I draw the line at organisms capable of sentient thought, and pets. Why? Because that's the point when it 'feels' wrong to me. I suppose empathy is the deciding factor to me; it's tough to empathize with an organism that can't really think. As for pets, it's just because I like them. Once again, arbitrary.

If you don't want to eat mean, feel free. That's your choice to make, but you shouldn't be so simplistic if you want to convince others.

  • 12.25.2010 7:58 PM PDT

Actually the trophy is getting hotter the hotter this topic becomes.

  • 12.25.2010 7:58 PM PDT


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Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: neoshogun
Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
You guys are just arguing to argue at this point. No headway is being made by either side. (much like any other argument on the internet... hmm...)

It's quite amazing that they have over 50 pages of this too. Where each page is pretty much the same as the last. Amazing....
Teen angst is a fickle mistress. I guess some people would rather continue pointless arguments, than not have attention directed at them.

Whatever helps them sleep at night.

A bit condescending there.
Sorry. Just calling it like I see it.

  • 12.25.2010 7:59 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tjs0620
No, I said if there was another source of meat other than slaughterhouses I would choose that instead. Are you really that daft?


That can be very easily interpreted to have meant, a source of nutrients other than meat (rather than a source of nutrients other than slaughterhouse meat).

It's far from daft to assume, but it is daft to not be able to make a clear understandable point and then call someone daft for not understanding your dubious meaning.

  • 12.25.2010 7:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: neoshogun
Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
You guys are just arguing to argue at this point. No headway is being made by either side. (much like any other argument on the internet... hmm...)

It's quite amazing that they have over 50 pages of this too. Where each page is pretty much the same as the last. Amazing....
Teen angst is a fickle mistress. I guess some people would rather continue pointless arguments, than not have attention directed at them.

Whatever helps them sleep at night.
It's more that new people come into this thread and post things that have already been countered or dealt with because they haven't read through it all first because it's such a large thread. And so things will keep getting repeated and the whole thing just goes in circles. I've seen this happen a lot at other forums.

Or that's part of it anyway.

[Edited on 12.25.2010 8:02 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 8:01 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.

*Sigh* Why can't you leave the people with a brain alone and stop forcing your extremist bulls**t views onto other people just because they realise that this is a matter of personal choice?

  • 12.25.2010 8:01 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Only 3 people in the entire thread have actually answered the main theme question of the OP, which I will re-write for you.

"Is killing and torturing animals simply for the taste morally ok (by your own personal morals)?"

One person has said that he would torture and kill an animal because it tastes good. He values his personal enjoyment higher than the feelings of pain and suffering that he is causing the animal.

Anyone else willing to admit this?

  • 12.25.2010 8:08 PM PDT

Oh Hia

CLAIM. THE. TROPHY.

  • 12.25.2010 8:10 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Only 3 people in the entire thread have actually answered the main theme question of the OP, which I will re-write for you.

"Is killing and torturing animals simply for the taste morally ok (by your own personal morals)?"

One person has said that he would torture and kill an animal because it tastes good. He values his personal enjoyment higher than the feelings of pain and suffering that he is causing the animal.

Anyone else willing to admit this?


Obvious bump is obvious.

  • 12.25.2010 8:11 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Computerexpert3

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Only 3 people in the entire thread have actually answered the main theme question of the OP, which I will re-write for you.

"Is killing and torturing animals simply for the taste morally ok (by your own personal morals)?"

One person has said that he would torture and kill an animal because it tastes good. He values his personal enjoyment higher than the feelings of pain and suffering that he is causing the animal.

Anyone else willing to admit this?


Obvious bump is obvious.


Ignored the question.

Why do I need to bump at this many posts? And secondly, I could have kept up an argument, on the other topics, but as has been pointed out, it's become fruitless. But still, I've had virtually no replies to my question, and I want some (well I suppose the fact I've had so little answers is the answer in itself).

  • 12.25.2010 8:13 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Only 3 people in the entire thread have actually answered the main theme question of the OP, which I will re-write for you.

"Is killing and torturing animals simply for the taste morally ok (by your own personal morals)?"

One person has said that he would torture and kill an animal because it tastes good. He values his personal enjoyment higher than the feelings of pain and suffering that he is causing the animal.

Anyone else willing to admit this?


Sure.

I don't care what happens to my lunch before I eat it, as long as it's not contaminated by something.

  • 12.25.2010 8:15 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Only 3 people in the entire thread have actually answered the main theme question of the OP, which I will re-write for you.

"Is killing and torturing animals simply for the taste morally ok (by your own personal morals)?"

One person has said that he would torture and kill an animal because it tastes good. He values his personal enjoyment higher than the feelings of pain and suffering that he is causing the animal.

Anyone else willing to admit this?


Sure.

I don't care what happens to my lunch before I eat it, as long as it's not contaminated by something.



Thanks, I'll leave now, just because I know that you can all at least see what's wrong and what's right, whether you choose to act on it is a different matter, which I've realised is completely fruitless. (pardon the pun :)

  • 12.25.2010 8:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Only 3 people in the entire thread have actually answered the main theme question of the OP, which I will re-write for you.

"Is killing and torturing animals simply for the taste morally ok (by your own personal morals)?"

One person has said that he would torture and kill an animal because it tastes good. He values his personal enjoyment higher than the feelings of pain and suffering that he is causing the animal.

Anyone else willing to admit this?

the answer is we need the protiens from things like meat. we can live without meat as a herbovior or live with just meat as a carnovior but to be truly heathy we need both as a omnivior.
there are things in meat that we can't get from anything else
just like plants we need them and it is alright to kill animals to live that is the circle of life.

  • 12.25.2010 8:16 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Only 3 people in the entire thread have actually answered the main theme question of the OP, which I will re-write for you.

"Is killing and torturing animals simply for the taste morally ok (by your own personal morals)?"

One person has said that he would torture and kill an animal because it tastes good. He values his personal enjoyment higher than the feelings of pain and suffering that he is causing the animal.

Anyone else willing to admit this?

the answer is we need the protiens from things like meat. we can live without meat as a herbovior or live with just meat as a carnovior but to be truly heathy we need both as a omnivior.
there are things in meat that we can't get from anything else
just like plants we need them and it is alright to kill animals to live that is the circle of life.


OH MY JESUS CHRIST THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY QUESTION AT ALL.

  • 12.25.2010 8:18 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Computerexpert3

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Only 3 people in the entire thread have actually answered the main theme question of the OP, which I will re-write for you.

"Is killing and torturing animals simply for the taste morally ok (by your own personal morals)?"

One person has said that he would torture and kill an animal because it tastes good. He values his personal enjoyment higher than the feelings of pain and suffering that he is causing the animal.

Anyone else willing to admit this?


Obvious bump is obvious.


Ignored the question.

Why do I need to bump at this many posts? And secondly, I could have kept up an argument, on the other topics, but as has been pointed out, it's become fruitless. But still, I've had virtually no replies to my question, and I want some (well I suppose the fact I've had so little answers is the answer in itself).


Wait a minuite, there wasn't any theme question before. LOL you lost.

  • 12.25.2010 8:22 PM PDT
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REXEL is a phag bk.

"I Think About More Than I Forget..."

H2 > H3 > LoL Reach. Done with Reach 11/13/10

Who the F**K are y'all?

My psychology professor made the whole class watch the RaveDiet DVD b4 the thanksgiving break.

Here is a part of it.

  • 12.25.2010 8:43 PM PDT

If you put garnishes on a chair or fabric, it would probably taste quite nice."

False.

  • 12.25.2010 8:47 PM PDT
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I used to be Landon14 before i got perm banned for crap!

This is actually still going on?

  • 12.25.2010 8:48 PM PDT

Without me, it's just "Aweso".

Meat is good. I have no problem killing animals to fill my tummy, as I don't see anything wrong with it because to me, it is moral. And tasty. Oh so very tasty.

  • 12.25.2010 8:56 PM PDT