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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

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Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10

  • 12.26.2010 6:09 PM PDT

Page 69!!!

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Yoozel
Really? I have yet to see any counter-argument that is actually on topic or realistic.


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I have countered their counter-argument. I'm not mindlessly attacking meat eating.


I said meat is immoral so you shouldn't eat it.

They said you have to eat it, it's good for you, you need to eat it.

I linked evidence that meat is bad for you, therefore not good for you, effectively countering their argument

Is that ok?


This...

Vitamin B12 is essential for life, without it you can't make blood, repair nerves, or effectively replicate DNA.

Our bodies can't make B12, and the only source of B12 is in animal protein. Even the B12 found in supplements is harvested from animal sources.



...makes all your "health" knowledge obsolete.

You avoided this back when the Forerunners brought it up, and you will probably dodge it now...



It's found in dairy bro.


Guess what dairy is. Guess what you won't be consuming in a vegan diet.

If you will not hear the truth, then I will show it to you...

  • 12.26.2010 6:09 PM PDT

Posted by: china

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Aside from others (such as killing an animal for the taste) the fact that meat causes diseases is one good argument.


I eat meat all the time, i dont get diseases.

Next argument please.

Yeah, exactly.

I eat meat literally EVERY day. Probably 3 times daily. I'm perfectly healthy.

  • 12.26.2010 6:11 PM PDT

Shakes Magic 8 Ball

Posted by: everywhere116
Guess what dairy is. Guess what you won't be consuming in a vegan diet.

If you will not hear the truth, then I will show it to you...

Vegetarians are not Vegans, first learn the difference between the two.

  • 12.26.2010 6:11 PM PDT

Calculus calms my troubled mind


Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10

...are animal products?

  • 12.26.2010 6:11 PM PDT
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Such that e is Euler's number, and i^2 = -1.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
No, just no.

My argument is that it's wrong to eat meat. People have told me that it's ok to eat meat, because we do it for our health and survival.
Because you totally don't get significant protein, B12, and others from eating meat.

Not that even if meat had no benefits, it would be morally wrong. Because there is absolutely nothing morally wrong with eating meat. On top of the fact that in our ecosystem animals tend to eat other animals, us eating certain animals is justified in the sense that they have less value because not only do they have less intelligence, they have a lower level of intelligence (i.e. they have no metacognitive abilities), which I believe is an accurate measure for the value of life. This makes the consumption of meat completely consistent with an Objectivist's ethics, because since animals are at such a lower level of value than humans are, making the health and convenience gained by eating meat ethically justified. Now, you may be thinking, ''What does an Objectivist's ethical system have to do with it? How do I know this is a good set of ethics to live by?'' I believe the ideal set of ethics would be that of the Objectivist philosophy because it not only gives a rational, objective way to decide the answer to an ethical question, but it gives this answer not based on factors that may or may not matter, but on a rational and moderate amount of self-interest that is very important to every human being on the planet, and logically not important to animals that are not capable of metacognition.

  • 12.26.2010 6:12 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: I BlackDog l
What are animals but walking plants? They don't think like we do. They don't have emotions (at least chickens and cows don't).

They are literally moving plants.

There is no difference.


You see, this is how all you meat eaters think, and it's wrong.

Animals can feel pain and suffering.

If you had a dog, you could see this.

If you do have a dog, and view it the same way you view a plant, there must be something wrong with you.

  • 12.26.2010 6:12 PM PDT

yoo•zel- ('yoo-zhul): slang: vb.

Officium quod Fidelitas.

You're making an argument out of nothing if you are actually believing that meat = good there for you must eat it is a valid argument. It's an opinion.

The article you linked, is ridiculously over hyped. In this day and age, everything is disease ridden and cancer causing, it's propaganda in the most notable stance. There's just as many research studies that prove that eating fish oils and meats is just as good for you as any other thing.

Morals are subjective and highly opinionated but this entire thread is just that... opinions, no one is going to stop eating meat or stop being a vegan because of it. Basically we're just shouting at brick walls.



Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I said meat is immoral so you shouldn't eat it.

They said you have to eat it, it's good for you, you need to eat it.

I linked evidence that meat is bad for you, therefore not good for you, effectively countering their argument

Is that ok?

  • 12.26.2010 6:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10

...are animal products?

Dairy =/= Meat
FFS, quit being so foolish

  • 12.26.2010 6:12 PM PDT

Calculus calms my troubled mind


Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: jondoe4362
ITT: butthurt vegetarians who foolishly think animals are on the same level as humans and ignorant meataholics who deny everything the other side says.

I'm not a butthurt, but animals can be on the same level as human beings. If I had the choice to use 1 of 2 creatures as bait for a larger crazed animal eating boar... I'd choose you over my cat.

Why? I wouldn't do the same, as almost any human is more valuable than any animal could be.

[Edited on 12.26.2010 6:13 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2010 6:13 PM PDT

Here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on.

Just reading some of this thread makes me think how -blam!-ed up the world is, and the fact that in all realism corporations wouldn't feed anything to starving children if everyone was a vegetarian because they won't feed anything to them now, simply because they get nothing out of it. Many of the ignorant meat crazy people ITT refuse to even consider that there is preciousness to all life, aside from their own, or that we are capable of using our higher moral capabilities as opposed to simply saying that something is morally fine just because other animals do it... In all honesty the meat industry is just another testament to human selfishness and greed.

  • 12.26.2010 6:13 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10

...are animal products?


Not meat bro.

That link is fantastic :)

  • 12.26.2010 6:13 PM PDT


Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10


Is this supposed to be against me? #9 and #10 are cheese and eggs. What the hell do you think those are?

  • 12.26.2010 6:14 PM PDT
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But from my head to my toes
From my knees to my eyes
Everytime I watch the sky
For these last few days leave me alone
But for these last few days leave me alone
Leave me alone
Leave me alone

Oh my Jesus Christ. If not eating meat makes you as stupid and senseless as Clutch, I'm going to start gorging myself on steak 24/7.

"LOOK I POSTED A LINK TO A SITE THAT IS ANTI-MEAT AND THEY SAID IT WAS BAD! I WIN THE ARGUMENT YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE I WIN THIS IS IRREFUTABLE PROOF"


Posted by: Time Traveler
Eh, I can't be arsed to rummage through this thread, so could someone tell me if the OP is still grasping at straws against anyone that attempts to counter him?
Yes. That is it exactly, actually.

He cannot be wrong because he refuses to be wrong. Also he has effectively devolved into one of those people who whines about how horrible humanity is. You know, the ones who never listen to reason and just hate humans because they step on grass and cut up pigs. Then they jump to things like "well if you're going to cut up a pig, I might as well cut up your mother" because apparently everything that can move is exactly as valuable as anything else (except people of course, they're terrible).

Oh ma geez chickens are just as valuable as humans just like a skateboard is as valuable as truck herpa derpa stupid

  • 12.26.2010 6:14 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: G O R E25
Just reading some of this thread makes me think how -blam!-ed up the world is, and the fact that in all realism corporations wouldn't feed anything to starving children if everyone was a vegetarian because they won't feed anything to them now, simply because they get nothing out of it. Many of the ignorant meat crazy people ITT refuse to even consider that there is preciousness to all life, aside from their own, or that we are capable of using our higher moral capabilities as opposed to simply saying that something is morally fine just because other animals do it... In all honesty the meat industry is just another testament to human selfishness and greed.


Beautifully put and so so true.

  • 12.26.2010 6:14 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.

If you can't justify eating meat then what are you going to do instead of being butthurt?

  • 12.26.2010 6:14 PM PDT

Shakes Magic 8 Ball

Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10


Is this supposed to be against me? #9 and #10 are cheese and eggs. What the hell do you think those are?


Cheese and Eggs are dairy. Eggs are classified as a protein, not a meat.

  • 12.26.2010 6:15 PM PDT

Calculus calms my troubled mind


Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10

...are animal products?

Dairy =/= Meat
FFS, quit being so foolish

I didn't say it was meat, I said it was an animal product, which is true. FFS, stop making unrelated arguements.

  • 12.26.2010 6:15 PM PDT


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10

...are animal products?


Not meat bro.

That link is fantastic :)


Comes from animals, which would violate the same morals you claim to be defending...

You will be food...nothing more...

  • 12.26.2010 6:15 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tacosaladman
Posted by: tacosaladman
It was mostly fish that helped us get our brains


Haha, nice link.

I don't like the idea of killing fish either though.

  • 12.26.2010 6:16 PM PDT

Shakes Magic 8 Ball

Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10

...are animal products?

Dairy =/= Meat
FFS, quit being so foolish

I didn't say it was meat, I said it was an animal product, which is true. FFS, stop making unrelated arguements.

You're implying that vegetarians don't eat eggs and cheese.

  • 12.26.2010 6:16 PM PDT