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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10

...are animal products?


Not meat bro.

That link is fantastic :)


Comes from animals, which would violate the same morals you claim to be defending...

You will be food...nothing more...


I'm against killing and torturing animals for meat.

  • 12.26.2010 6:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I'm against killing and torturing animals for meat.

Meaning, he/she is a Vegetarian, not a Vegan.

  • 12.26.2010 6:17 PM PDT
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"Do you not know that the runners in the stadium all run in the race, but only one wins the prize? Run so as to win. Every athlete exercises discipline in every way. They do it to win a perishable crown, but we an imperishable one. Thus, I do not run aimlessly; I do not fight as if I were shadowboxing. No, I drive my body and train it, for fear that,after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified." -1 Corinthians 9:24-27


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Yoozel
Really? I have yet to see any counter-argument that is actually on topic or realistic.


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I have countered their counter-argument. I'm not mindlessly attacking meat eating.


I said meat is immoral so you shouldn't eat it.

They said you have to eat it, it's good for you, you need to eat it.

I linked evidence that meat is bad for you, therefore not good for you, effectively countering their argument

Is that ok?

You're going to develop those diseases if you're devouring a t-bone steak for every meal of the day. You'll also gonna develop those diseases if you frequently at restaurants where they improperly cook their food. That's why having a well balanced diet followingthis and exercising daily.

  • 12.26.2010 6:17 PM PDT


Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10


Is this supposed to be against me? #9 and #10 are cheese and eggs. What the hell do you think those are?


Cheese and Eggs are dairy. Eggs are classified as a protein, not a meat.


Eggs are not dairy. Also, are you honmestly going to argue that you can't eat meat but you can eat eggs?

It's a distinction without a difference. YOu are all arguing for vegan diets. YOu won't be eating cheese or eggs in a vegan diet.

  • 12.26.2010 6:17 PM PDT

To all of those people who say that we ARE designed to eat meat because of our canines and other stuff, one thing.

Try eating raw meat.

...that is all.

  • 12.26.2010 6:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10


Is this supposed to be against me? #9 and #10 are cheese and eggs. What the hell do you think those are?


Cheese and Eggs are dairy. Eggs are classified as a protein, not a meat.


Eggs are not dairy. Also, are you honmestly going to argue that you can't eat meat but you can eat eggs?

It's a distinction without a difference. YOu are all arguing for vegan diets. YOu won't be eating cheese or eggs in a vegan diet.

Hurp, I'm not a vegan, I'm a vegetarian, durp.

  • 12.26.2010 6:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10


Is this supposed to be against me? #9 and #10 are cheese and eggs. What the hell do you think those are?


Cheese and Eggs are dairy. Eggs are classified as a protein, not a meat.

The egg could have been a chicken if it was fertilized

  • 12.26.2010 6:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: NorbergK6
#9 and #10

...are animal products?

Dairy =/= Meat
FFS, quit being so foolish

I didn't say it was meat, I said it was an animal product, which is true. FFS, stop making unrelated arguements.

You're implying that vegetarians don't eat eggs and cheese.

I never said a word about vegetarians.

  • 12.26.2010 6:18 PM PDT

I'd give up everything just to make you happy.

This thread is still alive?

  • 12.26.2010 6:18 PM PDT
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Such that e is Euler's number, and i^2 = -1.

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Posted by: Mickey1980
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
No, just no.

My argument is that it's wrong to eat meat. People have told me that it's ok to eat meat, because we do it for our health and survival.
Because you totally don't get significant protein, B12, and others from eating meat.

Not that even if meat had no benefits, it would be morally wrong. Because there is absolutely nothing morally wrong with eating meat. On top of the fact that in our ecosystem animals tend to eat other animals, us eating certain animals is justified in the sense that they have less value because not only do they have less intelligence, they have a lower level of intelligence (i.e. they have no metacognitive abilities), which I believe is an accurate measure for the value of life. This makes the consumption of meat completely consistent with an Objectivist's ethics, because since animals are at such a lower level of value than humans are, making the health and convenience gained by eating meat ethically justified. Now, you may be thinking, ''What does an Objectivist's ethical system have to do with it? How do I know this is a good set of ethics to live by?'' I believe the ideal set of ethics would be that of the Objectivist philosophy because it not only gives a rational, objective way to decide the answer to an ethical question, but it gives this answer not based on factors that may or may not matter, but on a rational and moderate amount of self-interest that is very important to every human being on the planet, and logically not important to animals that are not capable of metacognition.
In case you missed this post, here it is. I believe I have rationally, objectively, and ethically justified the consumption of meat in this reply.

  • 12.26.2010 6:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116
That's not what bobcast said. THat's not what the internet says. That's not what the freaking vitamin poster on the back wall of my bio classroom says.

#9 and #10


Is this supposed to be against me? #9 and #10 are cheese and eggs. What the hell do you think those are?


Cheese and Eggs are dairy. Eggs are classified as a protein, not a meat.

The egg could have been a chicken if it was fertilized

Eggs that are farmed are not fertilized.

  • 12.26.2010 6:19 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Aside from others (such as killing an animal for the taste) the fact that meat causes diseases is one good argument.


I eat meat all the time, i dont get diseases.

Next argument please.

Yeah, exactly.

I eat meat literally EVERY day. Probably 3 times daily. I'm perfectly healthy.


"I smoke everyday, I'm fine too..."

But you wouldn't tell a smoker it was good for his health...

  • 12.26.2010 6:19 PM PDT
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"No! I must kill the demons" he shouted
The radio said "No, John. You are the demons."
And then John was a zombie.

-"Doom: Repercussions of Evil", by Peter Chimaera

WARNING: ULTRA WALL OF TEXT. CHINA CALLED, WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION, AND THEY FINALLY AGREED TO LET ME KEEP IT FOR A SHORT WHILE.
After 63 pages, I assume this thread has veered off-course to an extent. So I'd just like to address some things pertinent to the subject that are often stated in these kinds of threads. Good luck, by the way.

For your consideration...

To begin with, a couple of claims I'd like to make:
1. Becoming a vegetarian is one of the most economically-beneficial decisions you can ever make.
2. Becoming a vegetarian is one of the most environmentally-beneficial decisions you can ever make.
3. Becoming a vegetarian is one of the most beneficial decisions to your health that you can ever make.
4. The statement "eating meat is natural" is the one of the stupidest justifications in the history of... history.
5. People will never stop eating meat.
6. Meat is tasty.
7. TacBac is awesome.

Time for justifications!
1. Raising an animal, giving it food and shelter, pumping it full of your favorite growth hormones, and then killing the damn thing after all that effort thing is an act of sheer economic stupidity. It doesn't matter how you spin it, livestock slaughter is just dumb. And here's the real kicker: the alternative, growing vegetables, costs a ridiculously smaller sum of money. Keep in mind that we're talking total costs here: "creating" the product, transporting it, and putting it on shelves. Plants get the win in every category.

2. This is all old news. Sustainable agriculture is more environmentally-sound and it works freaking everywhere, from third-world countries to the highest-tech farms in the States. One thing that's oft-ignored is transportation: you can locally-produce produce (CWUTIDIDTHAR???), meaning you cut down on transportation costs, and thusly the dreaded carbon footprint.

3. "BUT THINK OF THE PROTEIN PWNAFIDE! THE PROTIENZ! TEH PRAWTEEENZZZ!!!" There are 20 amino acids the human body needs. 11 can be produced by the human body. 9 essential AA's must be "gotten" (wording fail) from external sources, complete sources. There is no one vegetable or bean or grain source that is a complete source of protein. Checkmate vegetarians, right? Due to the power of "eating more than one thing per meal", I think not. Beans and rice are a complete source of protein. Any freakin' dairy is complete. Protein shakes and soy are complete. Pick one. Pick all of 'em. Be happy. Now as far as the health benefits of vegetables, I don't actually have to tell you do I? No saturated/trans fats (unsaturated fat is good for you), no refined sugars, etc.

4. We do 5 kafillion things every goddamn day that aren't natural. There're even more studies than that show that most of the other stuff we do isn't even natural. Seriously. Running? It's out. Eating too much of anything? Bye. Obviously, nobody takes this stuff seriously. Your body will be just fine without it. But how can I be sure? Because, apart from all the scientific studies, I know plenty of people who are vegetarians, and they aren't just healthy. They play contact sports, work out, etc. and they're good.

5. It's true, kids. Perhaps one day, the meat we eat will be replaced with some "fake" meat, but eating meat is where our roots lie. We're not about to forget it.

6. Steak. Bacon. Chicken. Turkey... nope I hate turkey. But still, meat is tasty.

7. Tactical Bacon. Too awesome for words. Well, almost too awesome for words.

  • 12.26.2010 6:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pieman191
This thread is still alive?

Yes, and since it's alive, you better not dare think of eating it.

  • 12.26.2010 6:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dookums46
To all of those people who say that we ARE designed to eat meat because of our canines and other stuff, one thing.

Try eating raw meat.

...that is all.

Its still edible, just tougher. And certain prehumans used fire to cook their meat also.

  • 12.26.2010 6:20 PM PDT

yoo•zel- ('yoo-zhul): slang: vb.

Officium quod Fidelitas.

Yes, the world meat industry is a horrible thing. It's down right disgusting. That's your whole argument right there, the way the world works. Watch Food Inc. if you really want to see where my views come from.

Posted by: G O R E25
In all honesty the meat industry is just another testament to human selfishness and greed.

  • 12.26.2010 6:20 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.

If you can't justify eating meat then what are you going to do instead of being butthurt?

  • 12.26.2010 6:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: Dookums46
To all of those people who say that we ARE designed to eat meat because of our canines and other stuff, one thing.

Try eating raw meat.

...that is all.

Its still edible, just tougher. And certain prehumans used fire to cook their meat also.

Also as time goes on, because we're used to cooked meats we no longer need these sharper teeth nearly as much.

  • 12.26.2010 6:23 PM PDT

To G O R E25:
Watch "Earthlings". Seriously. It's about factory farms, and all of that good stuff. I couldn't last half an hour. (They de-beak chickens.)

  • 12.26.2010 6:23 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: tacosaladman
Fish gave us bigger brains.


This means we are not naturally designed to eat meat, but for FISH!!

Yes my statement in the OP is proven correct. Thanks bro.

And the other proof mentioned was to try and eat raw meat. This truly does summarise that argument.

  • 12.26.2010 6:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: Dookums46
To all of those people who say that we ARE designed to eat meat because of our canines and other stuff, one thing.

Try eating raw meat.

...that is all.

Its still edible, just tougher. And certain prehumans used fire to cook their meat also.

Also as time goes on, because we're used to cooked meats we no longer need these sharper teeth nearly as much.

cool

  • 12.26.2010 6:25 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Dookums46
To G O R E25:
Watch "Earthlings". Seriously. It's about factory farms, and all of that good stuff. I couldn't last half an hour. (They de-beak chickens.)


Wow, I don't know how people can justify this.

[Edited on 12.26.2010 6:25 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2010 6:25 PM PDT