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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Sorry.

You address a number of points here, which have been answered. B-12? You can find in dairy.

Morals? There's been a large discussion on it, I would be saying the same things.
Ha. You have not addressed a single thing in the second paragraph of my post. As to B12, you realize that animals go through just as much suffering to provide us with cheese and eggs as they do to give us meat, right?

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tacosaladman
Fish gave us bigger brains.


This means we are not naturally designed to eat meat, but for FISH!!

Yes my statement in the OP is proven correct. Thanks bro.

And the other proof mentioned was to try and eat raw meat. This truly does summarise that argument.

Wait
So because early humans ate fish, we developed larger brains;therefore, we shouldn't eat fish because fish is a meat?

I don't quite understand the logic behind this.

  • 12.26.2010 6:33 PM PDT

If a man is not willing to die for something then he is unfit to live.

How can you have your pudding if you wont eat your meat?

  • 12.26.2010 6:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: tacosaladman
And I get little to no feed back on my link.
Same with my comment.
But I had proof that fish gave us huge brains.
I had proof that eating meat is ethically consistent.


Just watch the video (slaughter house glass walls etc) and tell me you can say that's right?

You just can't do it.

  • 12.26.2010 6:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mickey1980
Posted by: tacosaladman
Posted by: Mickey1980
Posted by: tacosaladman
And I get little to no feed back on my link.
Same with my comment.
But I had proof that fish gave us huge brains.
I had proof that eating meat is ethically consistent.

I have proof that eating potatoes gives you a bigger dick in 4 weeks! But no, the reason why people are ignoring your posts is because you've swamped them. I, a vegetarian, do not think eating meat is ethically wrong. I am not even vegetarian by choice, as a young child I was only born with 60% of my hearing, and somehow that affected my other senses. My taste, my eyesight, my hearing, and my scent smelling is actually improved. (It does happen) But because of my increased taste, I can't tolerate the taste of meat, nor the texture. I've tried over and over, but I forcefully try to expel the said meat.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I've replied to everything that hasn't been asked and answered. Everything.
Oh, ha ha.

Not even close.

  • 12.26.2010 6:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dookums46
To all of those people who say that we ARE designed to eat meat because of our canines and other stuff, one thing.

Try eating raw meat.

...that is all.


Ever heard of sushi?

Those are bite-sized pieces. Here's what I mean:
1. Go out into a forest
2. Kill a deer.
3.Go home.
4. Cut off it's leg.
5. ...Now try eating it.
If your read my link.

You would know fish helped us develop our brains.


Exactly, they back each other up.

Raw meat proves your canines aren't for eating meat (they can't handle it) and the fish proves that it answers the question that canines are for fish.

  • 12.26.2010 6:35 PM PDT

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To G O R E25:
Watch "Earthlings". Seriously. It's about factory farms, and all of that good stuff. I couldn't last half an hour. (They de-beak chickens.)

(so they don't kill eachother)

I can't tell if you disagree with me or not. If so: they only kill each other because of insanity. And they're only insane because they stuff -blam!- 3 or more chickens to a tiny cage. Read up on it. They're also pumped with drugs just to keep them alive.

I'm not some anti-meat nut, who makes up -blam!-, I'm just stating the facts.

Yeah I know all of that is true I watched the video. I wasn't really fazed by the gore and it didn't change my opinion on meat at all other than I know more about the meat industry. I don't really know what I was trying to say with my earlier comment though, sorry about that, I'm really tired and was too lazy to write an actual arguement.

  • 12.26.2010 6:36 PM PDT
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e^ix = cos(x) + isin(x)
Such that e is Euler's number, and i^2 = -1.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Just watch the video (slaughter house glass walls etc) and tell me you can say that's right?

You just can't do it.
The fact that you just uttered that fallacious pseudo-retort shows that you have not comprehended a single word of the post that I posted. This is shown by the fact that my post went over everything you said: animal's suffering, why animals do not matter, etc. in an objective and rational manner, because that is all that ethics should be: objective and rational, not emotional.

  • 12.26.2010 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I've replied to everything that hasn't been asked and answered. Everything.
Oh, ha ha.

Not even close.


Ok, find me something that hasn't been answered, that is a relevant argument that's not just trolling or stupid and I'll answer it.

  • 12.26.2010 6:37 PM PDT

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If we weren't meant to eat meat, Mother Nature would've taken care of that. Or she wouldn't have invented BBQ sauce.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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WARNING: ULTRA WALL OF TEXT. CHINA CALLED, WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION, AND THEY FINALLY AGREED TO LET ME KEEP IT FOR A SHORT WHILE.
After 63 pages, I assume this thread has veered off-course to an extent. So I'd just like to address some things pertinent to the subject that are often stated in these kinds of threads. Good luck, by the way.

For your consideration...

To begin with, a couple of claims I'd like to make:
1. Becoming a vegetarian is one of the most economically-beneficial decisions you can ever make.
2. Becoming a vegetarian is one of the most environmentally-beneficial decisions you can ever make.
3. Becoming a vegetarian is one of the most beneficial decisions to your health that you can ever make.
4. The statement "eating meat is natural" is the one of the stupidest justifications in the history of... history.
5. People will never stop eating meat.
6. Meat is tasty.
7. TacBac is awesome.

Time for justifications!
1. Raising an animal, giving it food and shelter, pumping it full of your favorite growth hormones, and then killing the damn thing after all that effort thing is an act of sheer economic stupidity. It doesn't matter how you spin it, livestock slaughter is just dumb. And here's the real kicker: the alternative, growing vegetables, costs a ridiculously smaller sum of money. Keep in mind that we're talking total costs here: "creating" the product, transporting it, and putting it on shelves. Plants get the win in every category.

2. This is all old news. Sustainable agriculture is more environmentally-sound and it works freaking everywhere, from third-world countries to the highest-tech farms in the States. One thing that's oft-ignored is transportation: you can locally-produce produce (CWUTIDIDTHAR???), meaning you cut down on transportation costs, and thusly the dreaded carbon footprint.

3. "BUT THINK OF THE PROTEIN PWNAFIDE! THE PROTIENZ! TEH PRAWTEEENZZZ!!!" There are 20 amino acids the human body needs. 11 can be produced by the human body. 9 essential AA's must be "gotten" (wording fail) from external sources, complete sources. There is no one vegetable or bean or grain source that is a complete source of protein. Checkmate vegetarians, right? Due to the power of "eating more than one thing per meal", I think not. Beans and rice are a complete source of protein. Any freakin' dairy is complete. Protein shakes and soy are complete. Pick one. Pick all of 'em. Be happy. Now as far as the health benefits of vegetables, I don't actually have to tell you do I? No saturated/trans fats (unsaturated fat is good for you), no refined sugars, etc.

4. We do 5 kafillion things every goddamn day that aren't natural. There're even more studies than that show that most of the other stuff we do isn't even natural. Seriously. Running? It's out. Eating too much of anything? Bye. Obviously, nobody takes this stuff seriously. Your body will be just fine without it. But how can I be sure? Because, apart from all the scientific studies, I know plenty of people who are vegetarians, and they aren't just healthy. They play contact sports, work out, etc. and they're good.

5. It's true, kids. Perhaps one day, the meat we eat will be replaced with some "fake" meat, but eating meat is where our roots lie. We're not about to forget it.

6. Steak. Bacon. Chicken. Turkey... nope I hate turkey. But still, meat is tasty.

7. Tactical Bacon. Too awesome for words. Well, almost too awesome for words.


So beautiful.

you need meat maybe not to live but to be heathy and look at bodybuilders they are the epitome of being heathy and they eat meat because it is an excellent source of protien and b12 along with other things.

  • 12.26.2010 6:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Serpent of Fire

Posted by: Dookums46
To all of those people who say that we ARE designed to eat meat because of our canines and other stuff, one thing.

Try eating raw meat.

...that is all.


Ever heard of sushi?

Those are bite-sized pieces. Here's what I mean:
1. Go out into a forest
2. Kill a deer.
3.Go home.
4. Cut off it's leg.
5. ...Now try eating it.

Yes because eating raw meat is totally worth having all those parasites, bacteria, and other microscopic critters inside of you.

  • 12.26.2010 6:38 PM PDT
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I'm not sure why anyone's bringing up the unethical practices of some abattoirs to justify the morality of eating meat. Using similar logic, it would be immoral to use any electronics products simply because some electronic companies use foreign sweatshop labor to make my iPods.

  • 12.26.2010 6:38 PM PDT


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Posted by: Mickey1980
Posted by: tacosaladman
Posted by: Mickey1980
Same with my comment.
But I had proof that fish gave us huge brains.
I had proof that eating meat is ethically consistent.

I have proof that eating potatoes gives you a bigger dick in 4 weeks! But no, the reason why people are ignoring your posts is because you've swamped them. I, a vegetarian, do not think eating meat is ethically wrong. I am not even vegetarian by choice, as a young child I was only born with 60% of my hearing, and somehow that affected my other senses. My taste, my eyesight, my hearing, and my scent smelling is actually improved. (It does happen) But because of my increased taste, I can't tolerate the taste of meat, nor the texture. I've tried over and over, but I forcefully try to expel the said meat.


You don't like the taste of meat. Perfectly logical and understandable. Now you have confused be as to why you are arguing along side him about this.

Sentinals, the Holy Warriors of the Sacred Rings...why have they sided with these heretics?

[Edited on 12.26.2010 6:38 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2010 6:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: tacosaladman
Just some feed back from other people?

Sorry for not providing feedback earlier, this is a pretty busy thread. I read over the link and it basically just says that fish are the reason we are as intelligent as we are today. I can't really think of anything further than that to say.

  • 12.26.2010 6:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dookums46
To all of those people who say that we ARE designed to eat meat because of our canines and other stuff, one thing.

Try eating raw meat.

...that is all.[/quote]

Ever heard of sushi?[/quote]
Those are bite-sized pieces. Here's what I mean:
1. Go out into a forest
2. Kill a deer.
3.Go home.
4. Cut off it's leg.
5. ...Now try eating it.[/quote]If your read my link.

You would know fish helped us develop our brains. [/quote]

Exactly, they back each other up.

Raw meat proves your canines aren't for eating meat (they can't handle it) and the fish proves that it answers the question that canines are for fish.

ALL canines are for eating meat buddy.

And could you possibly respond this time? Becuase othe people readmy arguments and respond.


Respond to what? I've lost track of the question.

If it's that canines are for eating meat, the proof is that they can't handle meat in an evolutionary term (it needs to be cooked). Try raw meat, proves they can't eat meat.

And if I don't respond to something that someone else has answered, either I missed it, or I agree with their answer.

  • 12.26.2010 6:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: Mickey1980
Posted by: tacosaladman
Posted by: Mickey1980
Same with my comment.
But I had proof that fish gave us huge brains.
I had proof that eating meat is ethically consistent.

I have proof that eating potatoes gives you a bigger dick in 4 weeks! But no, the reason why people are ignoring your posts is because you've swamped them. I, a vegetarian, do not think eating meat is ethically wrong. I am not even vegetarian by choice, as a young child I was only born with 60% of my hearing, and somehow that affected my other senses. My taste, my eyesight, my hearing, and my scent smelling is actually improved. (It does happen) But because of my increased taste, I can't tolerate the taste of meat, nor the texture. I've tried over and over, but I forcefully try to expel the said meat.


You don't like the taste of meat. Perfectly logical and understandable. Now you have confused be as to why you are arguing along side him about this.

Sentinals, the Holy Warriors of the Sacred Rings...why have they sided with these heretics?

On certain things, that being how slaughter houses actually work, the farming environments for animals, etc. I could not care less if you were eating a chicken, but the way that chicken was killed is important to me.

  • 12.26.2010 6:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dookums46

Posted by: Serpent of Fire

Posted by: Dookums46
To all of those people who say that we ARE designed to eat meat because of our canines and other stuff, one thing.

Try eating raw meat.

...that is all.


Ever heard of sushi?

Those are bite-sized pieces. Here's what I mean:
1. Go out into a forest
2. Kill a deer.
3.Go home.
4. Cut off it's leg.
5. ...Now try eating it.

...you can eat raw venison, its just tough.

And what does this even have to do with anything in this thread other than it mentions eating meat?

  • 12.26.2010 6:40 PM PDT
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Me engrish no good. Me take lesson to get fery fery good engrish.

Meat has a ton of protein in it. So unless you feel like eating cheese and nuts, and drinking gallons of milk, there's no replacement for the protein, and in turn, muscle mass it helps you to obtain.

  • 12.26.2010 6:40 PM PDT


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Posted by: Dookums46

Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: Dookums46
To G O R E25:
Watch "Earthlings". Seriously. It's about factory farms, and all of that good stuff. I couldn't last half an hour. (They de-beak chickens.)

(so they don't kill eachother)

I can't tell if you disagree with me or not. If so: they only kill each other because of insanity. And they're only insane because they stuff -blam!- 3 or more chickens to a tiny cage. Read up on it. They're also pumped with drugs just to keep them alive.

I'm not some anti-meat nut, who makes up -blam!-, I'm just stating the facts.

Yeah I know all of that is true I watched the video. I wasn't really fazed by the gore and it didn't change my opinion on meat at all other than I know more about the meat industry. I don't really know what I was trying to say with my earlier comment though, sorry about that, I'm really tired and was too lazy to write an actual arguement.

To everyone: I don't know to word it, but simply: Meat is not the problem, the meat industry is the problem.

  • 12.26.2010 6:40 PM PDT