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"No! I must kill the demons" he shouted
The radio said "No, John. You are the demons."
And then John was a zombie.
-"Doom: Repercussions of Evil", by Peter Chimaera
Posted by: everywhere116
PwnaFide: I'm not quoting you.
I'm not sure what side you're on. You present pro-vegan arguments and claim to be a meat eater. So I'll coment on all your points.
1. One of the things about economics is that it is subjective, both to a person and a society. Something is economically worthwhile if the public benefit is worth the cost. In this case, the benefits of tasty food outweigh the costs of raising it. And believe me, companies work to keep costs down. Nother thing to consider: It makes no logical sense to mine diamonds just to give to our females, but we all do it. I'm sure that you will to when you finally pop the question.
2. Don't tell me you can farm everywhere, and that's literally my name. Some places aren't suitable for farming. For example, Northern Canada, where the permafrost reaches the surface and nothing can grow. Don't tell me that's an extreme example either, there are plenty of places and reasons where farming doesn't always work.
3. You can't get B12 from anything besides animal products. The body can't make it even if it has the 20 acids because it requires colbalt and can only be produced by bacteria that live in the guts of herbavores.
4. Everything we do is natural, since we are a part of nature. Don't tell me we aren't. And running isn't natural, even before the modern age? Really?
5. True
6. True
7. DOn't know what TacBac is.
Who says I have to be on a side? I'm just here to add to the (spirited) discussion.
1. You've summed up the point I was trying to make very well. Eating meat makes no sense economically. But we do it anyway. And we enjoy it. This is not uncommon to many other aspects of human activity.
2. Of course you can't farm everywhere. But, fact of the matter is, it's much more (infinitely more?!) environmentally-friendly and sustainable than raising livestock. And come on, I'm not actually against transporting produce long distances if you can't get it locally. It's all about being smart about things.
3. Doesn't matter. Not that B12 doesn't matter, lol, just that you can get it from a supplement. Inconvenient? No more than taking any other tablet. I mean, if you're not taking a multivitamin already, you should get on that. Obviously, this is never going to happen, as I've said before. We love eating meat too much, we hate going out of our way to change our lives, even if it's much better overall. It's how we do, yo.
4. Many would contest that claim. This a topic for another conversation but I'll briefly address it. The human species is boldly going where no other species has gone before, as it were. And, because of that, we have no idea of knowing what's natural and what's not, and I don't mean natural as in the literal definition. I was addressing the point that people say "eating meat is natural" so that's why we should do it and never stop, which is a bogus claim.
And yeah, believe it or not, studies have shown that our bodies may not be suited to running very much at all. As a runner, I obviously don't care, but it's not the first time that studies have shown the human body is hardly perfect. Of course, those other studies are much more substantiated, but I was again simply trying to prove a point that using a "natural vs. unnatural" argument is stupid as hell when it comes to things like this.