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Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: tacosaladman
Just some feed back from other people?

Sorry for not providing feedback earlier, this is a pretty busy thread. I read over the link and it basically just says that fish are the reason we are as intelligent as we are today. I can't really think of anything further than that to say.


What about the conclusions you can draw from that, and then link it with the argument that you are naturally designed to eat meat?

  • 12.26.2010 6:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Forgery is bad
Meat has a ton of protein in it. So unless you feel like eating cheese and nuts, and drinking gallons of milk, there's no replacement for the protein, and in turn, muscle mass it helps you to obtain.

I love cheese, I love eggs, I only use skim milk for cooking, and I love nut foods.

  • 12.26.2010 6:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: Mickey1980
Posted by: tacosaladman
Posted by: Mickey1980
Posted by: tacosaladman
And I get little to no feed back on my link.
Same with my comment.
But I had proof that fish gave us huge brains.
I had proof that eating meat is ethically consistent.

I have proof that eating potatoes gives you a bigger dick in 4 weeks! But no, the reason why people are ignoring your posts is because you've swamped them. I, a vegetarian, do not think eating meat is ethically wrong. I am not even vegetarian by choice, as a young child I was only born with 60% of my hearing, and somehow that affected my other senses. My taste, my eyesight, my hearing, and my scent smelling is actually improved. (It does happen) But because of my increased taste, I can't tolerate the taste of meat, nor the texture. I've tried over and over, but I forcefully try to expel the said meat.

I'm so sorry. For real.

  • 12.26.2010 6:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: jondoe4362
I'm so sorry. For real.

For what?

  • 12.26.2010 6:43 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Ted Nugget eats meat and I'd rather not get on his bad side.

  • 12.26.2010 6:43 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.

Look, no matter how many arguments you claim to win, no matter how many replies this topic gets and no matter how big these wars get, You won't achive anything because you don't have ANY power and no-one is going to convert to a hippie vegan from listening to your rambling. Animals will still die unless you acctually take action so I suggest that you stop wasting your time with this pointless argument and get on with your life.

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: Forgery is bad
Meat has a ton of protein in it. So unless you feel like eating cheese and nuts, and drinking gallons of milk, there's no replacement for the protein, and in turn, muscle mass it helps you to obtain.

I love cheese, I love eggs, I only use skim milk for cooking, and I love nut foods.
But you'd have to eat ungodly quantities of it to make up for the lack of protein without meat.

One small white chicken breast is the equivalent to almost a half a block of cheese.

[Edited on 12.26.2010 6:45 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2010 6:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Computerexpert3
Look, no matter how many arguments you claim to win, no matter how many replies this topic gets and no matter how big these wars get, You won't achive anything because you don't have ANY power and no-one is going to convert to a hippie vegan from listening to your rambling. Animals will still die unless you acctually take action so I suggest that you stop wasting your time with this pointless argument and get on with your life.

FIN

Again with the assumption that Vegans are Vegetarians?

  • 12.26.2010 6:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: NorbergK6
[quote]Posted by: Mickey1980
I have proof that eating potatoes gives you a bigger dick in 4 weeks! But no, the reason why people are ignoring your posts is because you've swamped them. I, a vegetarian, do not think eating meat is ethically wrong. I am not even vegetarian by choice, as a young child I was only born with 60% of my hearing, and somehow that affected my other senses. My taste, my eyesight, my hearing, and my scent smelling is actually improved. (It does happen) But because of my increased taste, I can't tolerate the taste of meat, nor the texture. I've tried over and over, but I forcefully try to expel the said meat.


You don't like the taste of meat. Perfectly logical and understandable. Now you have confused be as to why you are arguing along side him about this.

Sentinals, the Holy Warriors of the Sacred Rings...why have they sided with these heretics?

On certain things, that being how slaughter houses actually work, the farming environments for animals, etc. I could not care less if you were eating a chicken, but the way that chicken was killed is important to me.

Thats a respectable opinion. I don't share it, but I can respect it.

  • 12.26.2010 6:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartakus14

Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: tacosaladman
Fish gave us bigger brains.


This means we are not naturally designed to eat meat, but for FISH!!

Yes my statement in the OP is proven correct. Thanks bro.

And the other proof mentioned was to try and eat raw meat. This truly does summarise that argument.

Wait
So because early humans ate fish, we developed larger brains;therefore, we shouldn't eat fish because fish is a meat?

I don't quite understand the logic behind this.


Not quite.

Probably the most common argument I've seen here, is that eating meat is natural, so you should be natural.

This refutes the point that we are designed to eat meat. Meat being different to fish. Therefore it's not natural to eat meat, but it is to eat fish.

That's what our canines are for.

I also don't agree with the argument that if it's natural, you should do it, but nevertheless it still refutes it.

  • 12.26.2010 6:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: Forgery is bad
Meat has a ton of protein in it. So unless you feel like eating cheese and nuts, and drinking gallons of milk, there's no replacement for the protein, and in turn, muscle mass it helps you to obtain.

I love cheese, I love eggs, I only use skim milk for cooking, and I love nut foods.
But you'd have to eat ungodly quantities of it to make up for the lack of protein without meat.

One white chicken breast is the equivalent to almost a half a block of cheese.

I somehow manage. You can't forget that there are green veggies (spinach) that are absolutely rich in these proteins as well.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I've replied to everything that hasn't been asked and answered. Everything.
No. You have replied only to those that stimulate your biased and subjective opinion. You have either never taken a biology class before, or have never been taught proper nutrition. You do realize that if you were to become a vegetarian or a vegan that you must take a multitude of vitamins and essential supplements to counteract the lack of meat your body needs?

It's understandable to become a vegetarian or a vegan on the basis of moral values. However, going on the argument of "Unneeded" is extremely ignorant, a self-righteous ultimatum, and superficially supported. How humans obtain meat is inhuman and wrong; however, it is essential to have your body operate successfully and properly, which can only be obtained through meat. Simply put, while meat is a secondary necessity in the consumption of human food, it is vitally important to proper function.

  • 12.26.2010 6:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: everywhere116

Posted by: NorbergK6
[quote]Posted by: Mickey1980
I have proof that eating potatoes gives you a bigger dick in 4 weeks! But no, the reason why people are ignoring your posts is because you've swamped them. I, a vegetarian, do not think eating meat is ethically wrong. I am not even vegetarian by choice, as a young child I was only born with 60% of my hearing, and somehow that affected my other senses. My taste, my eyesight, my hearing, and my scent smelling is actually improved. (It does happen) But because of my increased taste, I can't tolerate the taste of meat, nor the texture. I've tried over and over, but I forcefully try to expel the said meat.


You don't like the taste of meat. Perfectly logical and understandable. Now you have confused be as to why you are arguing along side him about this.

Sentinals, the Holy Warriors of the Sacred Rings...why have they sided with these heretics?

On certain things, that being how slaughter houses actually work, the farming environments for animals, etc. I could not care less if you were eating a chicken, but the way that chicken was killed is important to me.

Thats a respectable opinion. I don't share it, but I can respect it.


Same.

  • 12.26.2010 6:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.
Because your canine teeth and incisors were built around chewing plants.

I'm having steak tonight. Gonna be tasty.


Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)


No, our teeth are not designed for eating meat, they can barely chew through cooked meat, and if we were carnivorous, they should be able to tear through it raw, with ease, like other carnivores.
FAIL! The acids in our stomachs are the strongest acid currently known to man.

  • 12.26.2010 6:47 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Our ancestors got around just fine eating meat.

  • 12.26.2010 6:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: jondoe4362

Posted by: tacosaladman
Just some feed back from other people?

Sorry for not providing feedback earlier, this is a pretty busy thread. I read over the link and it basically just says that fish are the reason we are as intelligent as we are today. I can't really think of anything further than that to say.


What about the conclusions you can draw from that, and then link it with the argument that you are naturally designed to eat meat?

http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/fats.html
I conclude we are naturally designed to eat meat, assuming that fish counts as meat because it is animal flesh.

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Posted by: everywhere116
PwnaFide: I'm not quoting you.

I'm not sure what side you're on. You present pro-vegan arguments and claim to be a meat eater. So I'll coment on all your points.

1. One of the things about economics is that it is subjective, both to a person and a society. Something is economically worthwhile if the public benefit is worth the cost. In this case, the benefits of tasty food outweigh the costs of raising it. And believe me, companies work to keep costs down. Nother thing to consider: It makes no logical sense to mine diamonds just to give to our females, but we all do it. I'm sure that you will to when you finally pop the question.

2. Don't tell me you can farm everywhere, and that's literally my name. Some places aren't suitable for farming. For example, Northern Canada, where the permafrost reaches the surface and nothing can grow. Don't tell me that's an extreme example either, there are plenty of places and reasons where farming doesn't always work.

3. You can't get B12 from anything besides animal products. The body can't make it even if it has the 20 acids because it requires colbalt and can only be produced by bacteria that live in the guts of herbavores.

4. Everything we do is natural, since we are a part of nature. Don't tell me we aren't. And running isn't natural, even before the modern age? Really?

5. True

6. True

7. DOn't know what TacBac is.

Who says I have to be on a side? I'm just here to add to the (spirited) discussion.

1. You've summed up the point I was trying to make very well. Eating meat makes no sense economically. But we do it anyway. And we enjoy it. This is not uncommon to many other aspects of human activity.

2. Of course you can't farm everywhere. But, fact of the matter is, it's much more (infinitely more?!) environmentally-friendly and sustainable than raising livestock. And come on, I'm not actually against transporting produce long distances if you can't get it locally. It's all about being smart about things.

3. Doesn't matter. Not that B12 doesn't matter, lol, just that you can get it from a supplement. Inconvenient? No more than taking any other tablet. I mean, if you're not taking a multivitamin already, you should get on that. Obviously, this is never going to happen, as I've said before. We love eating meat too much, we hate going out of our way to change our lives, even if it's much better overall. It's how we do, yo.

4. Many would contest that claim. This a topic for another conversation but I'll briefly address it. The human species is boldly going where no other species has gone before, as it were. And, because of that, we have no idea of knowing what's natural and what's not, and I don't mean natural as in the literal definition. I was addressing the point that people say "eating meat is natural" so that's why we should do it and never stop, which is a bogus claim.

And yeah, believe it or not, studies have shown that our bodies may not be suited to running very much at all. As a runner, I obviously don't care, but it's not the first time that studies have shown the human body is hardly perfect. Of course, those other studies are much more substantiated, but I was again simply trying to prove a point that using a "natural vs. unnatural" argument is stupid as hell when it comes to things like this.

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Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: Forgery is bad

Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: Forgery is bad
Meat has a ton of protein in it. So unless you feel like eating cheese and nuts, and drinking gallons of milk, there's no replacement for the protein, and in turn, muscle mass it helps you to obtain.

I love cheese, I love eggs, I only use skim milk for cooking, and I love nut foods.
But you'd have to eat ungodly quantities of it to make up for the lack of protein without meat.

One white chicken breast is the equivalent to almost a half a block of cheese.

I somehow manage. You can't forget that there are green veggies (spinach) that are absolutely rich in these proteins as well.
True.

I guess whatever works for you. In a way, it is healthier, simply because of the lack of fat as opposed to eating meat, unless of course it's lean meat.

  • 12.26.2010 6:47 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: nick19100
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
I've replied to everything that hasn't been asked and answered. Everything.
No. You have replied only to those that stimulate your biased and subjective opinion. You have either never taken a biology class before, or have never been taught proper nutrition. You do realize that if you were to become a vegetarian or a vegan that you must take a multitude of vitamins and essential supplements to counteract the lack of meat your body needs?

It's understandable to become a vegetarian or a vegan on the basis of moral values. However, going on the argument of "Unneeded" is extremely ignorant, a self-righteous ultimatum, and superficially supported. How humans obtain meat is inhuman and wrong; however, it is essential to have your body operate successfully and properly, which can only be obtained through meat. Simply put, while meat is a secondary necessity in the consumption of human food, it is vitally important to proper function.


But it has been answered. By more than just me too.

And this is the proof meat is unhealthy (and there's a video linked somewhere around here)

  • 12.26.2010 6:48 PM PDT

What if I told you...

*scoots in closer*

I hate you

Funny thing is I just read this,and I just came home from slaughtering a goat.

  • 12.26.2010 6:49 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.


Posted by: NorbergK6
Posted by: Computerexpert3
Look, no matter how many arguments you claim to win, no matter how many replies this topic gets and no matter how big these wars get, You won't achive anything because you don't have ANY power and no-one is going to convert to a hippie vegan from listening to your rambling. Animals will still die unless you acctually take action so I suggest that you stop wasting your time with this pointless argument and get on with your life.

FIN

Again with the assumption that Vegans are Vegetarians?


I meant Vegetarians but I was too lazy to put it in :P

  • 12.26.2010 6:49 PM PDT