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Subject: I just can't justify eating meat anymore

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Posted by: Bornswavia
Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: lord of dahorde
Come on people! Lets make this a new top topic!
Why? It should have been locked pages ago. Everyone is just making the same statements over and over. There's no discussion left.

And you're doing an absolutely terrible job contributing to the thread yourself.

Eating meat is unjustifiable, to me. However, I do understand how others can see it as justified. I just ask people become aware of the abuse that occurs in the animal industry. There is absolutely no way you can justify abuse. And I believe anyone with a heart would agree.


Very well said. Very well said.

  • 12.27.2010 8:14 AM PDT

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Chicken.
With bacon inside.
Wrapped in bacon.
Fatless, crispy bacon.

Mmmm

  • 12.27.2010 8:17 AM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: lord of dahorde
Animals eat meat. Humans are intelligent animals.
What is wrong with it?


Posted by: Bornswavia
Eating meat is unjustifiable, to me. However, I do understand how others can see it as justified. I just ask people become aware of the abuse that occurs in the animal industry. There is absolutely no way you can justify abuse. And I believe anyone with a heart would agree.

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i personally'll eat whatever i feel like when i want how i want and besides there's always gonna be abuse we just gotta deal with it best we can

  • 12.27.2010 8:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: lord of dahorde
Animals eat meat. Humans are intelligent animals.
What is wrong with it?


Posted by: Bornswavia
Eating meat is unjustifiable, to me. However, I do understand how others can see it as justified. I just ask people become aware of the abuse that occurs in the animal industry. There is absolutely no way you can justify abuse. And I believe anyone with a heart would agree.


I'm not sure what you expect people to do. Of course I'm aware of abuse in the animal-processing industry, but there are already laws regulating it and it's not like an outcry of protest against the abuse will stop them. It's like trying to stop murder by telling murderers it's inhumane. Well, no -blam!- sherlock.

Your plan (and everyone else's favoring your view):

1. Become aware of the problem

2. ???

3. Profit! And/or completely revolutionized animal processing industry with no abuse whatsoever.

  • 12.27.2010 8:37 AM PDT

Life is interesting...

Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?

  • 12.27.2010 8:42 AM PDT

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  • 12.27.2010 8:44 AM PDT

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
1. Become aware of the problem

2. ???

3. Profit! And/or completely revolutionized animal processing industry with no abuse whatsoever.

Don't be like that. Obviously the answer is to quit support such industries.

  • 12.27.2010 8:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mepps Minnow 2
Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?


To continue the seemingly endless circle of already covered discussion, the lion does not have higher moral capabilities and also needs to eat the buffalo to survive. I might eat meat if I had to to survive, but I don't.

  • 12.27.2010 8:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mepps Minnow 2
Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?
No, it just realises the error of its ways and starts eating watermelons instead.

  • 12.27.2010 8:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mepps Minnow 2
Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?


To continue the seemingly endless circle of already covered discussion, the lion does not have higher moral capabilities and also needs to eat the buffalo to survive. I might eat meat if I had to to survive, but I don't.


Then you better start growing your own food because the industrial machines that get used to cut the grains you eat make the perfect home for rabbits and snakes into one helluva bloody nightmare.

  • 12.27.2010 8:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: Bornswavia
Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
1. Become aware of the problem

2. ???

3. Profit! And/or completely revolutionized animal processing industry with no abuse whatsoever.

Don't be like that. Obviously the answer is to quit support such industries.


How am I supposed to know which industries are lax on their humane treatment of animals if law enforcement doesn't? Of course my support ends for them if it is exposed, but their production also stops; it's not as if farms that abuse animals are allowed to continue operating until they've fixed the problems with the employees.

If I could have a fun little list of companies that have been proven to abuse animals, yet continue to operate, I'd love to see it and I'd immediately begin avoiding their products. I've done the same for just about every shoe company, Nike in particular, and I truly don't support the cruelty, but I do support understanding that animal abuse is a minority in the industry for many good reasons.

  • 12.27.2010 8:48 AM PDT

Posted by: bobcast
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Just saying, I'd never be a vegetarian.

Endless buffalo wings at Gator's Dockside for $10.95 is just too good to pass up.

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Posted by: G O R E25
Posted by: Mepps Minnow 2
Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?


To continue the seemingly endless circle of already covered discussion, the lion does not have higher moral capabilities and also needs to eat the buffalo to survive. I might eat meat if I had to to survive, but I don't.


No -blam!- Sherlock. Humans have rationality and animals have instinct. Meat is part of a healthy balanced diet.

  • 12.27.2010 8:52 AM PDT

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Posted by: Bornswavia
Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
1. Become aware of the problem

2. ???

3. Profit! And/or completely revolutionized animal processing industry with no abuse whatsoever.

Don't be like that. Obviously the answer is to quit support such industries.


How am I supposed to know which industries are lax on their humane treatment of animals if law enforcement doesn't? Of course my support ends for them if it is exposed, but their production also stops; it's not as if farms that abuse animals are allowed to continue operating until they've fixed the problems with the employees.

If I could have a fun little list of companies that have been proven to abuse animals, yet continue to operate, I'd love to see it and I'd immediately begin avoiding their products. I've done the same for just about every shoe company, Nike in particular, and I truly don't support the cruelty, but I do support understanding that animal abuse is a minority in the industry for many good reasons.

The sad thing is laws don't stop most of the abuse. There haven't been hardly any major food industry law changes on animal treatment since the '50s. The reason is because people are obviously not engaged enough to care, or unaware. I think it's incredible that you do care and even care enough to act on it.
Animal abuse is not something that rarely happens, most industries are very, very cruel and abusive the the animals. If not all. Even kosher industries are intensely abusive.

  • 12.27.2010 8:55 AM PDT

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Holy -blam!- this thread was at 10 two days ago.

  • 12.27.2010 8:57 AM PDT
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Okay I'm gonna put this out there just because people don't eat meat doesn't mean they are better visa versa. I have read most of this and there is an underlying battle to prove whether meat eaters or veggies are better.

Doesn't effect me though as I only eat beer.

  • 12.27.2010 8:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Bornswavia
Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Posted by: Bornswavia
Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
1. Become aware of the problem

2. ???

3. Profit! And/or completely revolutionized animal processing industry with no abuse whatsoever.

Don't be like that. Obviously the answer is to quit support such industries.


How am I supposed to know which industries are lax on their humane treatment of animals if law enforcement doesn't? Of course my support ends for them if it is exposed, but their production also stops; it's not as if farms that abuse animals are allowed to continue operating until they've fixed the problems with the employees.

If I could have a fun little list of companies that have been proven to abuse animals, yet continue to operate, I'd love to see it and I'd immediately begin avoiding their products. I've done the same for just about every shoe company, Nike in particular, and I truly don't support the cruelty, but I do support understanding that animal abuse is a minority in the industry for many good reasons.

The sad thing is laws don't stop most of the abuse. There haven't been hardly any major food industry law changes on animal treatment since the '50s. The reason is because people are obviously not engaged enough to care, or unaware. I think it's incredible that you do care and even care enough to act on it.
Animal abuse is not something that rarely happens, most industries are very, very cruel and abusive the the animals. If not all. Even kosher industries are intensely abusive.


My roommates bud told me about "Halal" It's the Muslim way of slaughtering animals. I couldn't think of a more humane way to do it.

Apparently the meat is much more expensive though as it takes longer to do it humanly.

  • 12.27.2010 8:59 AM PDT


Posted by: Bornswavia
Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: lord of dahorde
Come on people! Lets make this a new top topic!
Why? It should have been locked pages ago. Everyone is just making the same statements over and over. There's no discussion left.

And you're doing an absolutely terrible job contributing to the thread yourself.

I've made my stance on the subject. I simply don't care.

I could sit here and pretend that I do for the sake of coming across as "humane" or whatnot. But I'd be lying. I have a very clear separation between animals I consider to be domesticated pets, and those I use for food. Whether it sits in a cage until it ends up on my plate, or is treated with adoration and foot massages makes no difference to me. The result is the same.

  • 12.27.2010 9:04 AM PDT

Here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on.

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Posted by: G O R E25
Posted by: Mepps Minnow 2
Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?


To continue the seemingly endless circle of already covered discussion, the lion does not have higher moral capabilities and also needs to eat the buffalo to survive. I might eat meat if I had to to survive, but I don't.


No -blam!- Sherlock. Humans have rationality and animals have instinct. Meat is part of a healthy balanced diet.


It can be. Meat doesn't have to be in your diet though. You can be perfectly healthy without it.

  • 12.27.2010 9:12 AM PDT

Here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on.

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
I could sit here and pretend that I do for the sake of coming across as "humane" or whatnot. But I'd be lying. I have a very clear separation between animals I consider to be domesticated pets, and those I use for food. Whether it sits in a cage until it ends up on my plate, or is treated with adoration and foot massages makes no difference to me. The result is the same.


You just completely don't care about animals apart from pets? Jesus Christ...at least you're being honest

  • 12.27.2010 9:17 AM PDT

We are like bears, who eat meat when they kill it, but also eat plants when in season. These types animals are known as omnivores. Omni=all vore=eater. We are perfectly well designed to digest the proteins and fats found in meat. However, we have trouble with the simple sugars of certain plants like beans and broccoli (and various others) which give us gas! Eating meat is a choice, and one that most other animals don't quibble over. They either eat it if they are carnivores or omnivores or they don't if they are herbivores. if the food is available, they eat. Eating=living=surviving. You are making a choice to not eat meat, so god bless you in your decision. But don't try and convert anyone else that your way is the only way. Dogmatism is not needed. Let me think for myself and make my own decisions about what I eat, where I live, and who I live with. Thanks for your dogma but keep it to yourself.

  • 12.27.2010 9:20 AM PDT


Posted by: G O R E25
Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
I could sit here and pretend that I do for the sake of coming across as "humane" or whatnot. But I'd be lying. I have a very clear separation between animals I consider to be domesticated pets, and those I use for food. Whether it sits in a cage until it ends up on my plate, or is treated with adoration and foot massages makes no difference to me. The result is the same.


You just completely don't care about animals apart from pets? Jesus Christ...at least you're being honest
Meh. I suppose if I directly saw someone abusing an animal it would bother me. But these things don't happen on the corner of my street. I tend to concern myself with things that directly effect me, rather than things I neither see, nor have the ability to change.

Anyway. I'm being down right hypocritical be continuing in this thread.

Peace out, hommie.

  • 12.27.2010 9:24 AM PDT

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If I was delicious to a certain animal, and it ate me, would anyone think that animal was evil (except morons)? Absolutely not. Why we expect humans to go against their biological urges and "know better" in regards to animal ingestion is beyond me. As long as it's done humanely (cage-free chickens, free-range cattle etc.), I don't see a problem with it.

Also, VEAL IS DELICIOUS

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As a Vegan, my Veganism isn't about trying to feel morally superior to people. It is about trying my best to abstain myself from cruelty and it's about trying to live as lightly on the Earth as possible. One of the reasons I am a vegan is because I abhor all forms of unecessary killing. Killing for mercy, killing in self-defence and killing for survival are acceptable in my opinion. I personally have no problem with a starving man eating meat because the man would likely die if he didn't and is only killing for survival which is a necessary form of killing. However, massively breeding billions of animals to slaughter in-order to feed people living in economically developed locations like Britain and the USA is absolutely not necessary because there is no nutrient in meat that is missing in a vegetarian diet. Necessary killing may be tragic, but I find killing simply for amusement, taste and small convenience vile and abhorrent. That is why I am a vegan.

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