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Posted by: china
my counter argument to gace_1337(spelling, i know)

Vegetables and fruit also have to refrigirated.

Cattle takes less space, thus allowing more space for things like schools, houses, wildlife preserves, parks, etc.

once again, humans are ONMIVORES, and are supposed to eat meat.

Cattle are fed left-overs from restaraunts, and mostly grain not fit for humans. And the corn-belt does not grow exclusively for cattle.

:tup:

  • 12.27.2010 10:41 AM PDT

My spoon isn't the only thing that's too big


Posted by: tacosaladman
Our canines are made for seafood mostly.

Thats why our incisors are so flat.

To crack open shells and other stuff.
If that's truly the case I'm amazed that such a large portion of people are allergic to shellfish and hypersensitive to mercury.

In other words: bro, it's for meat.

  • 12.27.2010 11:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gage_1337

Posted by: mahspoonis2big
Posted by: Gage_1337
But if you really have some links to prove otherwise. Show me.
I do, in that animals would exist on their own anyway, and in that many livestock eat plants humans do not find fit for consumption, such as grass, or leaves.

Honestly there are so many holes in these arguments a logical person doesn't even need to try. But you can keep going if you want, though.

You still haven't provided any links for any proof that we need hto kill animals to keep enviromental balance in check. I'm not going to take your argument seriously until you provide some. Honestly, what proof is there that the world relies on factory farming?


My take on that is that it is humans that are keeping the population of these animals in such constantly high numbers, because of supply and demand. Hypothetically, if everyone on the planet became a vegetarian, then there is no point in raising these domesticated animals since they are of no use and are a liability. If there are no humans to keep the population constant, then they will die off. These animals require humans to keep them alive, ironically.

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Point 1: To take a moral argument for example, there are over 25 billion chicken around the world, and if everyone became a vegetarian, then people would not domesticate all those chickens, since it serves them no purpose whatsoever anymore. Because of this, those chickens are likely to die due to negligence.

Let's say that they would all be released into the wild, then the outcome would be better and for worse: The giant population would be dwindling down due to natural predators, but not without completely throwing the whole balance of the ecosystem first. Well at least the good thing is that some of those chickens would survive.

To sum it all up, if everyone became a vegetarian, then it would indirectly cause more damage to the animal population than good.

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Point 2: To look at it from a logical argument, one can argue that vitamin B12 is an important point as to why we eat meat. What is a vitamin? Well a vitamin is basically a nutrient that is essential to the body but cannot be produced within the body. You need vitamins for your body to function properly. Meaning that it must be obtained from outside sources such as foods, liquids, and/or sunlight.

Vitamin B12 is important for organs to function and is important for the proper replication of DNA. B12 obtained from animals or animal products, such as milk and eggs. Some can argue that they get their dose of B12 from vitamin tablets, but little do they know that the vitamin B12 they get are still extracted from dairy products, which are still animal products.

This means that it is necessary for us to consume animals for at least the nutrients, if not the energy also. Again, some can argue that it is not energy efficient and stuff like the rule of 10. Even though it is a valid point, it is foolish to deny for a fact, that at least certain nutrients are needed through the consumption of animals needed for proper and optimal bodily function.

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Closing: In my opinion, I really don't see the point in arguing for both sides although I take the meat eaters side and typed 20 minutes worth of text. Overall, this issue is pretty trivial since neither side would win over the other side most likely.

Taking on the side of the meat eaters, it is a proclivity for all living creatures on this planet to favor the survival of your own species over the survival of other species in various degrees. That you cannot deny. Going deeper into that, we're also inclined to favor what is ours or mine over what is theirs and yours. An analogy to how we are selfish BY NATURE. Vegetarians who believe that they are morally above the meat eaters or are more selfless than others are, in my opinion, just are in denial of humanity's natural selfishness.

I personally still don't see the point in this thread since vegetarianism or veganism is a personal choice, just like eating meat, where if one choice is more fit based on your morals, than there is no point in arguing.

[Edited on 12.27.2010 11:25 AM PST]

  • 12.27.2010 11:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Bornswavia
Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: lord of dahorde
Come on people! Lets make this a new top topic!
Why? It should have been locked pages ago. Everyone is just making the same statements over and over. There's no discussion left.

And you're doing an absolutely terrible job contributing to the thread yourself.

Eating meat is unjustifiable, to me. However, I do understand how others can see it as justified. I just ask people become aware of the abuse that occurs in the animal industry. There is absolutely no way you can justify abuse. And I believe anyone with a heart would agree.


I can justify it because i'm a human and we're better than those walking plants. :)

  • 12.27.2010 11:12 AM PDT

My spoon isn't the only thing that's too big


Posted by: tacosaladman
Posted by: mahspoonis2big

Posted by: tacosaladman
Our canines are made for seafood mostly.

Thats why our incisors are so flat.

To crack open shells and other stuff.
If that's truly the case I'm amazed that such a large portion of people are allergic to shellfish and hypersensitive to mercury.

In other words: bro, it's for meat.
Our brains developed with seafood a huge part in it.
I've heard the same argument for meat, and to be honest, they're probably both right.

  • 12.27.2010 11:13 AM PDT

My spoon isn't the only thing that's too big

Posted by: tacosaladman
Seafood is more likely due to the amount of fatty acids that most seafood has. And our neurons use.
Land-meat is more protein dense, and has more iron to enrich the blood. Both have uses in creating a larger, more powerful, and more efficient neurological system.

As I said, both theories are likely correct.

  • 12.27.2010 11:17 AM PDT

My spoon isn't the only thing that's too big


Posted by: tacosaladman
Posted by: mahspoonis2big
Posted by: tacosaladman
Seafood is more likely due to the amount of fatty acids that most seafood has. And our neurons use.
Land-meat is more protein dense, and has more iron to enrich the blood. Both have uses in creating a larger, more powerful, and more efficient neurological system.

As I said, both theories are likely correct.
It's the fatty acids that helped not the protein mostly.
Not to be a jack-ass, but are you a sensationalist moron? Because thus far you have:

+Ignored everything I've said
+Addressed no new points
+Provided a Google source

?

  • 12.27.2010 11:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: mahspoonis2big

Posted by: tacosaladman
Our canines are made for seafood mostly.

Thats why our incisors are so flat.

To crack open shells and other stuff.
If that's truly the case I'm amazed that such a large portion of people are allergic to shellfish and hypersensitive to mercury.

In other words: bro, it's for meat.

truth................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  • 12.27.2010 11:40 AM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: G O R E25
Posted by: Tomahawker

Posted by: G O R E25
Posted by: Mepps Minnow 2
Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?


To continue the seemingly endless circle of already covered discussion, the lion does not have higher moral capabilities and also needs to eat the buffalo to survive. I might eat meat if I had to to survive, but I don't.


No -blam!- Sherlock. Humans have rationality and animals have instinct. Meat is part of a healthy balanced diet.


It can be. Meat doesn't have to be in your diet though. You can be perfectly healthy without it.


Much healthier in fact.

Meat leads to diseases.

  • 12.27.2010 1:19 PM PDT

I am the God Emprah of Mankind.

Deal with it.

I like meat what are you gonna do about it?

  • 12.27.2010 1:20 PM PDT

These forums have the worst staff ever. I've me hundreds of staff on large sites and been one myself dozens of times. And never can I say that I've ever met any other staff members this rude and ignorant.

We have the teeth for it and needs what it has.

  • 12.27.2010 1:22 PM PDT

These forums have the worst staff ever. I've me hundreds of staff on large sites and been one myself dozens of times. And never can I say that I've ever met any other staff members this rude and ignorant.


Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: G O R E25
Posted by: Tomahawker

Posted by: G O R E25
Posted by: Mepps Minnow 2
Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?


To continue the seemingly endless circle of already covered discussion, the lion does not have higher moral capabilities and also needs to eat the buffalo to survive. I might eat meat if I had to to survive, but I don't.


No -blam!- Sherlock. Humans have rationality and animals have instinct. Meat is part of a healthy balanced diet.


It can be. Meat doesn't have to be in your diet though. You can be perfectly healthy without it.


Much healthier in fact.

Meat leads to diseases.

And because of some of the illegals who work harvesting your vegies wipe their asses with their hands in the local creek, there is always that chance of getting disease that way. It's happened.

  • 12.27.2010 1:23 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Maj0r Awesom3
Just saying, I'd never be a vegetarian.

Endless buffalo wings at Gator's Dockside for $10.95 is just too good to pass up.


Heart disease and cancer at that price? Bargain.

  • 12.27.2010 1:23 PM PDT

Take a step back with me and enjoy a taste of the bittersweet that is our current generation.

I enjoy Battlefield and Call of Duty, and Gears of War.

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I love anything political.

We are naturally predators. Notice how our eyes are only on the front of our heads and not on the sides. Prey have eyes on the sides.

I enjoy a juicy rare steak seasoned or unseasoned any day of the week. It still taste good, as does chicken, fish, lamp, ad all otehr meats.

  • 12.27.2010 1:25 PM PDT

I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. ~ Mark Twain

Posted by: Gage_1337
As a Vegan, my Veganism isn't about trying to feel morally superior to people. It is about trying my best to abstain myself from cruelty and it's about trying to live as lightly on the Earth as possible. One of the reasons I am a vegan is because I abhor all forms of unecessary killing. Killing for mercy, killing in self-defence and killing for survival are acceptable in my opinion. I personally have no problem with a starving man eating meat because the man would likely die if he didn't and is only killing for survival which is a necessary form of killing. However, massively breeding billions of animals to slaughter in-order to feed people living in economically developed locations like Britain and the USA is absolutely not necessary because there is no nutrient in meat that is missing in a vegetarian diet. Necessary killing may be tragic, but I find killing simply for amusement, taste and small convenience vile and abhorrent. That is why I am a vegan.


Flawless argument.

  • 12.27.2010 1:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Gage_1337
As a Vegan, my Veganism isn't about trying to feel morally superior to people. It is about trying my best to abstain myself from cruelty and it's about trying to live as lightly on the Earth as possible. One of the reasons I am a vegan is because I abhor all forms of unecessary killing. Killing for mercy, killing in self-defence and killing for survival are acceptable in my opinion. I personally have no problem with a starving man eating meat because the man would likely die if he didn't and is only killing for survival which is a necessary form of killing. However, massively breeding billions of animals to slaughter in-order to feed people living in economically developed locations like Britain and the USA is absolutely not necessary because there is no nutrient in meat that is missing in a vegetarian diet. Necessary killing may be tragic, but I find killing simply for amusement, taste and small convenience vile and abhorrent. That is why I am a vegan.


Flawless argument.
Enough bumping your thread. This thread no longer holds any discussion value.

All of your posts are now, "Yes," "I agree," "He is Stupid," "Flawless Argument," etc..

  • 12.27.2010 1:28 PM PDT

Message me if you want, I will try to get back as soon as possible.

See you on the forums and in the games.

I respect your views, however, I don't see a need to justify eating meat, vegetable, or anything else, it happens. Humans are omnivores for a reason.

  • 12.27.2010 1:29 PM PDT