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Posted by: Gage_1337
Posted by: mahspoonis2big
Posted by: Gage_1337
But if you really have some links to prove otherwise. Show me.I do, in that animals would exist on their own anyway, and in that many livestock eat plants humans do not find fit for consumption, such as grass, or leaves.
Honestly there are so many holes in these arguments a logical person doesn't even need to try. But you can keep going if you want, though.
You still haven't provided any links for any proof that we need hto kill animals to keep enviromental balance in check. I'm not going to take your argument seriously until you provide some. Honestly, what proof is there that the world relies on factory farming?
My take on that is that it is humans that are keeping the population of these animals in such constantly high numbers, because of supply and demand. Hypothetically, if everyone on the planet became a vegetarian, then there is no point in raising these domesticated animals since they are of no use and are a liability. If there are no humans to keep the population constant, then they will die off. These animals require humans to keep them alive, ironically.
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Point 1: To take a moral argument for example, there are over 25 billion chicken around the world, and if everyone became a vegetarian, then people would not domesticate all those chickens, since it serves them no purpose whatsoever anymore. Because of this, those chickens are likely to die due to negligence.
Let's say that they would all be released into the wild, then the outcome would be better and for worse: The giant population would be dwindling down due to natural predators, but not without completely throwing the whole balance of the ecosystem first. Well at least the good thing is that some of those chickens would survive.
To sum it all up, if everyone became a vegetarian, then it would indirectly cause more damage to the animal population than good.
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Point 2: To look at it from a logical argument, one can argue that vitamin B12 is an important point as to why we eat meat. What is a vitamin? Well a vitamin is basically a nutrient that is essential to the body but cannot be produced within the body. You need vitamins for your body to function properly. Meaning that it must be obtained from outside sources such as foods, liquids, and/or sunlight.
Vitamin B12 is important for organs to function and is important for the proper replication of DNA. B12 obtained from animals or animal products, such as milk and eggs. Some can argue that they get their dose of B12 from vitamin tablets, but little do they know that the vitamin B12 they get are still extracted from dairy products, which are still animal products.
This means that it is necessary for us to consume animals for at least the nutrients, if not the energy also. Again, some can argue that it is not energy efficient and stuff like the rule of 10. Even though it is a valid point, it is foolish to deny for a fact, that at least certain nutrients are needed through the consumption of animals needed for proper and optimal bodily function.
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Closing: In my opinion, I really don't see the point in arguing for both sides although I take the meat eaters side and typed 20 minutes worth of text. Overall, this issue is pretty trivial since neither side would win over the other side most likely.
Taking on the side of the meat eaters, it is a proclivity for all living creatures on this planet to favor the survival of your own species over the survival of other species in various degrees. That you cannot deny. Going deeper into that, we're also inclined to favor what is ours or mine over what is theirs and yours. An analogy to how we are selfish BY NATURE. Vegetarians who believe that they are morally above the meat eaters or are more selfless than others are, in my opinion, just are in denial of humanity's natural selfishness.
I personally still don't see the point in this thread since vegetarianism or veganism is a personal choice, just like eating meat, where if one choice is more fit based on your morals, than there is no point in arguing.
[Edited on 12.27.2010 11:25 AM PST]