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Posted by: Monkifier
Plants actually do breathe. They draw in CO2 and breathe out O2.

But they don't actually breathe as in consciously operate respiratory organs.

  • 12.24.2010 4:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Murcielago00
And now you are judging animals? WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?

Why do we still have tailbones?
Why do human males have nipples?

You're implying that canine teeth are, just like the 2 things you listed, of no use to a human. Yet there is a use for them, as we use them to eat meat.

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Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Murcielago00
And now you are judging animals? WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?

Why do we still have tailbones?
Why do human males have nipples?


Tailbones are a vestigial appendage, SLOWLY brought down to the size it is now, over thousands of years.

Males have nipples because nipples form in the womb BEFORE gender is determined,

So, now why do we have CANINE teeth?

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Posted by: Murcielago00
WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?


It's been answered. We did need to eat meat and some point, not sure why, I'd assume it was our only food source, but this is not the case anymore.

The proof, is how impractical it is to eat raw meat (like all carnivores). You really struggle to chew that meat, which suggests you are not naturally designed to eat meat anymore.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
It's not in our nature to eat meat (proven various times throughout this thread).


You've proven nothing. Other than your complete lack of understanding of the term omnivore, that is.

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Less self-righteous posturing and ad hominem attacks will keep this thread open and its participants' posting privileges retained.

i dont think most meat tastes good. all i like is fish.

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Posted by: WyIdfyre
Oh, I apologize for empathizing with living beings outside of my own species.

Technically, according to you, you wouldn't eat plants then either. Since they are scietifically a "living being." Albeit a LOT different then we are. The only way to not eat something that is living, is to use photosynthesis. Which is something we are definately not designed to do.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
But he doesn't know any better.
Of course he does, if he's enjoying himself. It's why he prefers snapping the spines of live animals and watching them squirm than play with a toy mouse.

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Posted by: Murcielago00
And now you are judging animals? WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?

Why do we still have tailbones?
Why do human males have nipples?
human males are capable of lactation in some cases and tail bones are necessary mounts for important muscles that involve walking and procreation.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
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Posted by: WyIdfyre

What about a newbord child? I'm fairly certain they have no degree of metacognition, does that make it okay to kill them purple because of that?


There's no reason for us to kill newborn childs, as it's not in our nature to be cannibals.


It's not in our nature to eat meat (proven various times throughout this thread).

Human evolutionary history proves otherwise.

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Posted by: Murcielago00
And now you are judging animals? WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?

Why do we still have tailbones?
Why do human males have nipples?


Exactly.

  • 12.24.2010 4:28 PM PDT


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Posted by: Monkifier
Plants actually do breathe. They draw in CO2 and breathe out O2.

But they don't actually breathe as in consciously operate respiratory organs.
Consciously? I'm pretty sure I don't have to think about breathing to do it...

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First thing that I would like to say is that I hate it when people think humans are interfering with nature or what humans do is 'unnatural'. We are in fact part of nature, to be clear, everything is part of nature, that is, nothing exists outside of nature. For something to be unnatural (i.e. exist outside of nature) it would have to not exist.

Humans are also in fact animals, just because we are more intelligent (although I use that word lightly since you can't necessarily quantify or objectively measure intelligence, aside from the point) than most animals on this planet doesn't make us animals any less. Some animals are omnivores, carnivores, herbivores etc. Humans just happen to be omnivores, the fact that we eat meat isn't any more adverse than the fact that lions eat gazelle. Although I do not condone the mistreatment of animals regardless of whether we decide to eat them or not.

The fact of the matter is that pre-humans in the past had to kill and hunt animals in less than 'humane' ways, now through evolution humans are still omnivores but we can also use the intelligence gained through it to eat animals in more 'humane' ways.

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  • 12.24.2010 4:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: WyIdfyre

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Consciousness and metacognition are two completely different attributes. As of now, there is absolutely no evidence that they are metacognitive, so I won't live my life under that assumption.

What about a newbord child? I'm fairly certain they have no degree of metacognition, does that make it okay to kill them purple because of that?

Just like plants?
Plants do not breathe, nor do they have any self awareness or though capabilities.

Plants actually do breathe. They draw in CO2 and breathe out O2. Plants are also respiring all the time (Oxygen in = CO2 out in-case you're wondering)
Fixed

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Murcielago00
And now you are judging animals? WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?

Why do we still have tailbones?
Why do human males have nipples?


Exactly.
Stop being a coward and explain how my cat doesn't know any better.

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Around the period of Socrates, my ass

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Murcielago00
WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?


It's been answered. We did need to eat meat and some point, not sure why, I'd assume it was our only food source, but this is not the case anymore.

The proof, is how impractical it is to eat raw meat (like all carnivores). You really struggle to chew that meat, which suggests you are not naturally designed to eat meat anymore.


That's because our ancestors have evolved into being used to eating COOKED meat. They used to eat raw meat, something happened (maybe someone tripped and a slab of meat fell into the fire), and we tarted eating COOKED meats.

If we were not meant to handle meat, we couldn't properly digest it, in any form

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.

Just, how do I stop, I suppose you could say I'm addicted.


Crazy how a humans teeth are actually designed to eat meat and plants. Interesting isn't it. Why would our bodies develop a way to efficiently eat something if we aren't designed to eat it.

  • 12.24.2010 4:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Murcielago00
And now you are judging animals? WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?

Why do we still have tailbones?
Why do human males have nipples?


Exactly.
Stop being a coward and explain how my cat doesn't know any better.


You are telling me that your cat, has a grasp of the concept of morality?

  • 12.24.2010 4:30 PM PDT


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Posted by: Ruthless747
Around the period of Socrates, my ass

P.344, The China Study, T. Colin Campbell PHD and Thomas M. Campbell II
oh that helps.






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Humans kill other species for food. It's a way of life. I don't care if we kill the animals, because other animals do the same thing for food. As long as we aren't sadistic about it, I see no problem.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: Olga Zakarov
Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Murcielago00
And now you are judging animals? WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?

Why do we still have tailbones?
Why do human males have nipples?


Exactly.
Stop being a coward and explain how my cat doesn't know any better.


You are telling me that your cat, has a grasp of the concept of morality?
You have not answered my question.

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
Posted by: WyIdfyre

Posted by: Murcielago00
And now you are judging animals? WHy don't you answer why we have CANINE teeth?

Why do we still have tailbones?
Why do human males have nipples?


Exactly.


Answered that and so did another poster. Tailbone, vestigial piece that decreased its size for thousands of years til now, and a mount for muscles in the area

Male nipples, nipples are formed in the womb BEFORE gender is decided.

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My view:

First thing that I would like to say is that I hate it when people think humans are interfering with nature or what humans make is 'unnatural'. We are in fact part of nature, to be clear, everything is part of natural, that is, nothing exists outside of nature. For something to be unnatural (i.e. exist outside of nature) it would have to not exist.

Humans are also in fact animals, just because we are more intelligent (although I use that word lightly since you can't necessarily quantify or objectively measure intelligence, aside from the point) than most animals on this planet doesn't make us animals any less. Some animals are omnivores, carnivores, herbivores etc. Humans just happen to be omnivores, the fact that we eat meat isn't any more adverse than the fact that lions eat gazelle. Although I do not condone the mistreatment of animals regardless of whether we decide to eat them or not.

The fact of the matter is that hominids in the past had to kill and hunt animals in less than 'humane' ways, now through evolution humans are still omnivores but we can also use the intelligence gained through it to kill and eat animals in more 'humane' ways.


smart man

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Posted by: XII CIUTCH IIX
There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.

Just, how do I stop, I suppose you could say I'm addicted.


Crazy how a humans teeth are actually designed to eat meat and plants. Interesting isn't it. Why would our bodies develop a way to efficiently eat something if we aren't designed to eat it.


It's far from efficient.

  • 12.24.2010 4:31 PM PDT