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Subject: How come the Grafton or Saratoga didn't use Archer missiles?

I mean, it might of been serious overkill on the Covie's, but did they deserve any better?

Also, how come the Saratoga didn't fire a single shot, and the Grafton was only using half of its underside turrets?

Hell, why didn't the Orbital Guns fire on the Super Carrier too? The Super cruiser encountered by Keyes was afraid to get in range of the ODP's. The thermal energy from the round plus the size of the ship would cause it to break into pieces.

God, the UNSC Navy was really lazy at Reach.

[Edited on 12.26.2010 12:01 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2010 9:32 PM PDT
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At this point I think that, in order to make sense of things, we must assume that Bungie decided that having a functional storyline, no matter how poor, is more important than a logical one. The campaign of Halo : Reach is riddled with mistakes like these, and you have to suspend disbelief or the whole thing just out right sucks.

  • 12.24.2010 9:38 PM PDT

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Maybe they had used them all before getting repaired, and if you are talking about using them on the Corvette, they needed it to function.

  • 12.24.2010 9:44 PM PDT

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I don't think Archer missiles have ever been used in game, but everyone who's been around for all the games knows what a MAC is.

It's sort of like a nuke - a massively powerful weapon that makes 8 year olds wet themselves.

Archers would have made more sense but like Carter said, "one way to get their attention".

  • 12.25.2010 12:34 AM PDT

Shouldn't the MAC round be able to go through the shield? If it slices through warships like butter, how difficult is one little shield?

  • 12.25.2010 5:00 AM PDT

it could be said the Saratoga was providing air support against other aircaraft, its priorities focused less on bombardment, which was handled by Grafton's Haxlon guns.

And as for Archer missiles...I think you underestimate just how powerful they are. The battle in the planes was a close-knit one; if they were to use Archers on them, they could damn well have wiped out the UNSC forces as well.

Although I think they should have found a way to make Saratoga more effective (and get the player in the middle of the epic war...for once!)

  • 12.25.2010 5:17 AM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
I don't think Archer missiles have ever been used in game, but everyone who's been around for all the games knows what a MAC is.

It's sort of like a nuke - a massively powerful weapon that makes 8 year olds wet themselves.

Archers would have made more sense but like Carter said, "one way to get their attention".


and it got their attention...by getting burned to the ground.

Really, in regards to the Spire, did the Grafton really have to get that close to it? They should have known their was the possibility whatever its teleporter was linked too would get pissed off when it exploded.

Hell, they could have shot the Spire from space for all they knew, and the Grafton would have survived

[Edited on 12.25.2010 5:20 AM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 5:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
I don't think Archer missiles have ever been used in game, but everyone who's been around for all the games knows what a MAC is.

It's sort of like a nuke - a massively powerful weapon that makes 8 year olds wet themselves.

Archers would have made more sense but like Carter said, "one way to get their attention".


They've not been used, but they've been mentioned a grand total of 2 times in the games.

  • 12.25.2010 5:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
it could be said the Saratoga was providing air support against other aircaraft, its priorities focused less on bombardment, which was handled by Grafton's Haxlon guns.

And as for Archer missiles...I think you underestimate just how powerful they are. The battle in the planes was a close-knit one; if they were to use Archers on them, they could damn well have wiped out the UNSC forces as well.



Yes, because a MAC round is for SURE going to have less of a footprint.

It's obvious, Bungie just wasn't thinking.

Why are people complaining about THIS anyway? The whole storyline of this game would have never happened if we had used those TWENTY Super MACS in orbit. But apparently Bungie says they don't exist.

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Posted by: Gottalovec4
Yes, because a MAC round is for SURE going to have less of a footprint.

It's obvious, Bungie just wasn't thinking.

Why are people complaining about THIS anyway? The whole storyline of this game would have never happened if we had used those TWENTY Super MACS in orbit. But apparently Bungie says they don't exist.


The Covenant managed to avoid the firing ranges of those Super MACs. 20 ODPs are enough to defend something as big as the Moon, but not for something as big as Earth (Reach is slightly bigger than Earth, btw). So, it makes sense that the ODPs didn't make much significant appearances in-game.

IIRC, you can see the ODPs in the Ardent Prayer's bridge, which featured a holographic display of Reach along with Covenant military movements.

  • 12.25.2010 11:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
I don't think Archer missiles have ever been used in game, but everyone who's been around for all the games knows what a MAC is.

It's sort of like a nuke - a massively powerful weapon that makes 8 year olds wet themselves.

Archers would have made more sense but like Carter said, "one way to get their attention".


They've not been used, but they've been mentioned a grand total of 2 times in the games.


Ever play the first level of Halo 2?

  • 12.25.2010 2:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Gottalovec4

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
it could be said the Saratoga was providing air support against other aircaraft, its priorities focused less on bombardment, which was handled by Grafton's Haxlon guns.

And as for Archer missiles...I think you underestimate just how powerful they are. The battle in the planes was a close-knit one; if they were to use Archers on them, they could damn well have wiped out the UNSC forces as well.



Yes, because a MAC round is for SURE going to have less of a footprint.

It's obvious, Bungie just wasn't thinking.

Why are people complaining about THIS anyway? The whole storyline of this game would have never happened if we had used those TWENTY Super MACS in orbit. But apparently Bungie says they don't exist.


1) the Grafton's MAC was deliberately undercharged so the blowback wouldn't destroy the Grafton.

2) We did use the ODPs, on the Corevette.

3) The Supercarrier was to much for even the OPDs to take on safely

4) They were out of range for the battle we fought in.

It all makes sense (mostly)

  • 12.25.2010 2:19 PM PDT

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I think the Orbital MAC platforms were disabled during the mision TotS. In the the cutscene before the start of the mision, Aunti Dot mentions that they are under attack from all fronts, INCLUDING Orbital Defences.

Since Reach has already altered the canon completly, couldn't it be logical conclusion that either the Covenant were attacking either the generators for the Orbital Defence platforms or that the Platforms were under attack themselves from space
I lean towards the last option and I think that there was a massive space battle going, like the one described in FoR, above Reach. This also explains why there would need to be reinforcments (those would be coming from earth) and why there weren't any nukes left, since these were all used in the space battle.

  • 12.25.2010 2:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
I don't think Archer missiles have ever been used in game, but everyone who's been around for all the games knows what a MAC is.

It's sort of like a nuke - a massively powerful weapon that makes 8 year olds wet themselves.

Archers would have made more sense but like Carter said, "one way to get their attention".


They've not been used, but they've been mentioned a grand total of 2 times in the games.


Ever play the first level of Halo 2?
He was referring to Archers. So far as I can recall, the only mention of them in-game was after In Amber Clad exited slipspace, and the bridge crewman said 'Archer pods are cold - I'll have to re-key the system'.

Cairo Station was where I assumed everyone would remember MACs from in the games.

  • 12.25.2010 3:22 PM PDT

They didn't want to destroy the Corvette, they had a Spartan II, Spartan III, and a handful of Marines in there, everyone gets out alive, except the Marines and Jorge XD.

  • 12.25.2010 4:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
I don't think Archer missiles have ever been used in game, but everyone who's been around for all the games knows what a MAC is.

It's sort of like a nuke - a massively powerful weapon that makes 8 year olds wet themselves.

Archers would have made more sense but like Carter said, "one way to get their attention".


They've not been used, but they've been mentioned a grand total of 2 times in the games.


Ever play the first level of Halo 2?


As JD pointed out, I was talking about Archer Missiles, not MACs.

[Edited on 12.25.2010 4:27 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 4:27 PM PDT

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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Archer missles are designed to kill even capital ships. Imagine if they bombarded the battleground with them.

It would be serious overkill, but for both sides.

  • 12.25.2010 4:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
I don't think Archer missiles have ever been used in game, but everyone who's been around for all the games knows what a MAC is.

It's sort of like a nuke - a massively powerful weapon that makes 8 year olds wet themselves.

Archers would have made more sense but like Carter said, "one way to get their attention".


They've not been used, but they've been mentioned a grand total of 2 times in the games.


Ever play the first level of Halo 2?


As JD pointed out, I was talking about Archer Missiles, not MACs.


My apologies, it seemed like you were disagreeing.

  • 12.25.2010 6:54 PM PDT

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those were all that were necessary to kill the covies below them. no sense wasting ammo

  • 12.25.2010 7:21 PM PDT

Too many human forces were in the area. They couldn't risk friendly fire.

  • 12.26.2010 10:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) the Grafton's MAC was deliberately undercharged so the blowback wouldn't destroy the Grafton.

2) We did use the ODPs, on the Corevette.

3) The Supercarrier was to much for even the OPDs to take on safely

4) They were out of range for the battle we fought in.

It all makes sense (mostly)


Where did you get this information??

  • 12.26.2010 11:32 AM PDT

what brings people to the conclusion that orbital defence platforms (super MACs) can be orientated in such a way that they can fire at an target inside the atmosphere? would you really want to be firing a weapon of mass destruction at your own planet in all truth? as far as im aware the defence platforms are for keeping things out rather than shooting at things below them, hence how the long night of solace was immune to the super MAC platforms, because they couldn't simply turn around and shoot it.

didn't it mention in one of the novels something about covenant warships jumping past the defencive line, preventing the orbital platforms from shooting them? also the corvette was not shot by a super MAC, that was something far far smaller, possible similar to the 'rod' platform thats being toyed with in the current world, firing hypervelocity rods from orbit, devastating damage, no nuclear treaties violated, etc.

  • 12.26.2010 1:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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I don't know why they didn't just blow up BOTH the Super Carrier and Corvette with the Super MACs, they used one in ONI: SB. One shot to a CCS or Assault Carrier and its dead, probably just 2-3 for a Super. Archer Missles would have worked on the Spire, but so would a Shiva.

  • 12.26.2010 1:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Robbert014
I think the Orbital MAC platforms were disabled during the mision TotS. In the the cutscene before the start of the mision, Aunti Dot mentions that they are under attack from all fronts, INCLUDING Orbital Defences.

Since Reach has already altered the canon completly, couldn't it be logical conclusion that either the Covenant were attacking either the generators for the Orbital Defence platforms or that the Platforms were under attack themselves from space
I lean towards the last option and I think that there was a massive space battle going, like the one described in FoR, above Reach. This also explains why there would need to be reinforcments (those would be coming from earth) and why there weren't any nukes left, since these were all used in the space battle.

Yeah, but it would have made a little more sense if the entire fleet had shown up right away. In Reach, all of this happened from a single ship. Just doesn't seem right.

  • 12.26.2010 4:51 PM PDT

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