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Subject: Wait...UNSC ships could EASILY survive plasma attacks.

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So, UNSC ships run on fusion power right?

Fusion creates huge amounts of heat, heat that needs strong material to hold back in order to have the ship not melt.

Plasma is also very hot...

Why doesn't the UNSC just coat the outside of their ships with that is lining their reactors?

It would honestly be a quick and easy fix to the problem and would take like 10 minutes per ship.

  • 12.25.2010 5:16 PM PDT

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Plasma is super heated, around 1000 times hotter than the nuclear fusion reactor. Covenant plasma is also explosive(to the best of my knoledge). The plasma torpedo would hit the UNSC ship, expload and splatter even more plasma around causing a serious ammount of damage.

  • 12.25.2010 5:23 PM PDT

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Whatever metal it is, is probably either really heavy or really expensive in my opinion. Both of those would stop the ship. Too heavy, can't maneuver quickly, too expensive, can't even build it.

Also they may have developed cold fusion, which is the same principle as fusion, but can be performed at room temperature. Therefore, the metal would be no different.

  • 12.25.2010 5:24 PM PDT

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Plasma is hotter than even fission.

  • 12.25.2010 5:27 PM PDT
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Covenant Plasma isn't actually plasma. Who knows how it actually works.

  • 12.25.2010 5:33 PM PDT

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I thought plasma was alot hotter than the heat produced by nuclear fusion...

  • 12.25.2010 5:49 PM PDT

lol at anything being done to .5 to 1 kilometer vessels in 10 minutes. You couldnt even do a bad paint job on them in 10 minutes, let alone refit their armor.


[Edited on 12.25.2010 6:20 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2010 6:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Gottalovec4
So, UNSC ships run on fusion power right?

Fusion creates huge amounts of heat, heat that needs strong material to hold back in order to have the ship not melt.

Plasma is also very hot...

Why doesn't the UNSC just coat the outside of their ships with that is lining their reactors?

It would honestly be a quick and easy fix to the problem and would take like 10 minutes per ship.
Here are some problems with your idea:

1. The plasma the covenant uses would most likely be hotter than the heat the nuclear fusion produces

2. The lining would probably be very expensive to make. I could compare it to what the stealth fighters have on them. Each time they have to repaint it it costs probably a million or so dollars.

  • 12.25.2010 6:23 PM PDT


Posted by: opogjijijp
Covenant Plasma isn't actually plasma. Who knows how it actually works.


Yeah, didn't Frankie say this somewhere? I'm sure you've got a link for this (you usally do :p):).

  • 12.26.2010 2:36 AM PDT

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I read somewhere that the fusion in use by humans in the Human-Covenant war was cold fusion not the millions of kelvin fusion

  • 12.26.2010 2:39 AM PDT

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Didn't that frigate in long night of solace take like 20 plasma torpedoes and still stay intact up to a point?

  • 12.26.2010 4:17 AM PDT

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Fusion reactor lining isn't any kind of special material.

What prevents the fusing nuclei from boiling the innards of Tokomak[sp]-type reactors is a magnetic field, which shapes the plasma (which is what the fusion reaction becomes), and prevents it from touching the reactor vessel itself.

If it were to touch the sides, it would lose energy and heat, the reactor would slag itself, and good things would not happen.

What would be possible, is to have ships generate a stupidly powerful electromagnetic field, which would be large enough and powerful enough to deflect plasma away from the hull.Posted by: ferrrari
Didn't that frigate in long night of solace take like 20 plasma torpedoes and still stay intact up to a point?
Gameplay, and was not canon.

Plus, they weren't plasma torpedoes - those things are huge balls of fire. These seemed to be the equivalent of Archer missiles, whilst a plasma torpedo is the equivalent of a MAC, in terms of purpose and capability.

That was one of the most pathetically-scripted pieces of the campaign, for various reasons.

[Edited on 12.26.2010 4:26 AM PST]

  • 12.26.2010 4:25 AM PDT

Not all of their weapons are plasma based. Remember the supercarrier's laser that dusted the Grafton?

  • 12.26.2010 10:16 AM PDT

the simple answer is there is no plasma in contact with the reactor walls, can anyone name a material that can survive millions of *C? plasma gets contained by magnetic fields, so it never comes into contact with the actual inner surface of the reactor, because that would be a problem. so there is no material to armour UNSC warships with thats plasma resistant, simply because there is no material that is resistant to such temperatures, best bet would be something like boron nitride or silicon carbide, something like that since it has a much higher resistant to heat than titanium.

always thought UNSC ships could have magnetic armour though, since plasma is heavily influence by magnetism, could potentially gear their armour to repel or disperse incoming plasma attacks rather than have them impact the hull directly..

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Not all of their weapons are plasma based. Remember the supercarrier's laser that dusted the Grafton?


that was plasma from the grav lift, and yes all thier weapons are ether needle,radoactive, or plasma bassed (spikers not included).

  • 12.26.2010 1:16 PM PDT

it was an energy projector, a particle beam weapon supposidly similar to a giant covenant beam rifle (at least thats the description on halopedia!)

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Plausible, but it still would not be as effective as shield technology.

  • 12.26.2010 1:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrimsonVelocity
I read somewhere that the fusion in use by humans in the Human-Covenant war was cold fusion not the millions of kelvin fusion


As much as sci-fi people like to say that there is such thing as cold-fusion... sadly it isn't possible and probably never will be. I'm sure i'll get people that try to say complicated things to try and prove their points, but ask any credible physicist and they too will agree, cold fusion = silly impossible.

  • 12.26.2010 4:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrimsonVelocity
I read somewhere that the fusion in use by humans in the Human-Covenant war was cold fusion not the millions of kelvin fusion


As much as sci-fi people like to say that there is such thing as cold-fusion... sadly it isn't possible and probably never will be. I'm sure i'll get people that try to say complicated things to try and prove their points, but ask any credible physicist and they too will agree, cold fusion = silly impossible.


People also think faster than light travel is impossible, but the UNSC uses it in Slipspace. Halo is set 500 years in the future, if we can get faster than light travel, I'm sure they figured out cold fusion.

[Edited on 12.26.2010 4:47 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2010 4:47 PM PDT

Plasma is hotter than the energy released by cold fusion, at least the stuff the covenant use is.

  • 12.26.2010 9:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrimsonVelocity
I read somewhere that the fusion in use by humans in the Human-Covenant war was cold fusion not the millions of kelvin fusion


As much as sci-fi people like to say that there is such thing as cold-fusion... sadly it isn't possible and probably never will be. I'm sure i'll get people that try to say complicated things to try and prove their points, but ask any credible physicist and they too will agree, cold fusion = silly impossible.


People also think faster than light travel is impossible, but the UNSC uses it in Slipspace. Halo is set 500 years in the future, if we can get faster than light travel, I'm sure they figured out cold fusion.


Well both are plausible, its just that mathematically, FTL is much MORE plausible.

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  • 12.26.2010 9:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrimsonVelocity
I read somewhere that the fusion in use by humans in the Human-Covenant war was cold fusion not the millions of kelvin fusion


As much as sci-fi people like to say that there is such thing as cold-fusion... sadly it isn't possible and probably never will be. I'm sure i'll get people that try to say complicated things to try and prove their points, but ask any credible physicist and they too will agree, cold fusion = silly impossible.


People also think faster than light travel is impossible, but the UNSC uses it in Slipspace. Halo is set 500 years in the future, if we can get faster than light travel, I'm sure they figured out cold fusion.


Well both are plausible, its just that mathematically, FTL is much MORE plausible.

~B2


True. I'm just saying we can't estimate the breakthroughs in Physics that could occur in 500 years. If we can get FTL travel, I firmly believe cold fusion is a very plausible breakthrough, if not the breakthrough that allowed the ships to have the energy to perform FTL travel.

  • 12.26.2010 9:30 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

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Posted by: CrimsonVelocity
I read somewhere that the fusion in use by humans in the Human-Covenant war was cold fusion not the millions of kelvin fusion


As much as sci-fi people like to say that there is such thing as cold-fusion... sadly it isn't possible and probably never will be. I'm sure i'll get people that try to say complicated things to try and prove their points, but ask any credible physicist and they too will agree, cold fusion = silly impossible.


People also think faster than light travel is impossible, but the UNSC uses it in Slipspace. Halo is set 500 years in the future, if we can get faster than light travel, I'm sure they figured out cold fusion.


Well both are plausible, its just that mathematically, FTL is much MORE plausible.

~B2


True. I'm just saying we can't estimate the breakthroughs in Physics that could occur in 500 years. If we can get FTL travel, I firmly believe cold fusion is a very plausible breakthrough, if not the breakthrough that allowed the ships to have the energy to perform FTL travel.


I have an idea on how FTL could be plausible in the 22nd century (seriously.) its been a long project, and the maths will take me 3-10 years to complete, but itll be worth it if correct.

~B2

  • 12.26.2010 9:32 PM PDT


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Posted by: ferrrari
Didn't that frigate in long night of solace take like 20 plasma torpedoes and still stay intact up to a point?
Gameplay, and was not canon.

Plus, they weren't plasma torpedoes - those things are huge balls of fire. These seemed to be the equivalent of Archer missiles, whilst a plasma torpedo is the equivalent of a MAC, in terms of purpose and capability.

That was one of the most pathetically-scripted pieces of the campaign, for various reasons.


Just because it happens while you are playing the game does not make it gameplay, it was a scripted event, just like Foe Hammer getting shot down in Halo:CE, and is the same as a cut-scene. And frankly if the Covenant was really as powerful as they are in the books they would have completely, totally, and utterly steam-rolled the UNSC into oblivion and the UNSC would have had no victories at all.

And while I think that gameplay and some of the cut-scenes they're a little weak in power, they are powered more realistically. I'd say it's a balance between the two, books and games, you can't either one is the definitive power of the Covenant. Bungie has also said that even though the games and books are on fairly equal level canon wise, when it comes to small details the games take authority over the books or other published media.

  • 12.26.2010 9:38 PM PDT

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I have an idea on how FTL could be plausible in the 22nd century (seriously.) its been a long project, and the maths will take me 3-10 years to complete, but itll be worth it if correct.

~B2


Why the 22nd century and not sooner? If the math only takes 10 years we could do it before the end of the 21st.

  • 12.26.2010 9:47 PM PDT

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