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isn't Bungie supposed to have a superior reputation in game development quality (and judging by Halo and Halo 2, they do), but Oni, a game by Bungie, really sucks. What is the deal?

  • 08.20.2004 2:52 PM PDT
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Oni doesent suck, Your Mom sucks. In bed.

  • 08.20.2004 3:13 PM PDT
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Wow. Real clever. Are you finally graduating from 3rd grade, after ten years of repeating it?

  • 08.20.2004 3:18 PM PDT
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That was a stupid reply...a mom joke?!? Are you serious?! Grow up.

  • 08.20.2004 3:20 PM PDT
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I see you dont know how important "Your Mom" jokes are in Bungie history, so I'll rephrase that. Have you played Oni? If not, I think you should have your own opinions instead of listening to reviewers. Oni may have not been up to Bungie snuff, but it was a rushed release. Third of all, Bungie provides you with hundreds of hours of entertainment and all you can do is badmouth one of their games? Ingrate.

  • 08.20.2004 3:23 PM PDT
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I've played it. Didn't like it. If you read my question, then you would know I was asking why it wasn't up to the high standards of Bungie's other games.

  • 08.20.2004 3:26 PM PDT
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Not every game is perfect, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  • 08.20.2004 3:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lt Devon
Not every game is perfect, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

well put. if you dont like it, okay, but please dont come and say it sucks. to each his own.

  • 08.20.2004 4:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jodan
Oni, a game by Bungie, really sucks. What is the deal?

"It sucks" is one of the most useless comments you can possibly make when critiquing a game. If that's all you can come up with, then a "Your Mom" joke is about all the answer you can expect.

What sucks? The story? The animation? The user interface? The characters? The presentation? The backdrop? The game play?

How does it suck? Too short? Too long? Too much? Too little? Too tough? Too hard to see? Too hard to understand? Too grainy? Too jerky?

When does it suck? Cut scenes? In-game? Multiplayer? Splash screen? Loading?

Answer some of these, and somebody might be able to give you a decent answer.

Just saying "it sucks" can be interpreted as the act of an ass or a lazy-ass, and neither act really merits an answer.

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  • 08.20.2004 6:16 PM PDT
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  • 08.20.2004 6:26 PM PDT

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  • 08.20.2004 7:25 PM PDT
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I'd agree if you said Oni was not the best of Bungie's games, because it is not. By a long shot.

And yeah, there are plenty of better games by other developers (blasphemy, yeah, yeah, I know).
There are also many, many worse games. Oni does not 'suck'. It merely isnt the best.

Personally, the thing I liked the least about it was the controls, and the somewhat bland level designs.



And for the record, the "your mom' joke was not only deserved, but also required. Bungie expects no less of us.

  • 08.20.2004 7:41 PM PDT
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This may prove my very opimiated view points but... I'm going to guess you are a die hard Halo gamer and are obviously unhappy without the superb fluff and graphics, and probably unable to deal with the difficulty of the game, because that is how most Halo fans have trouble with older games... so until you actually specify on any part of the game, in my mind you are just too wimpy to take the hard yards of a hard game or one without poads of well done graphics...

PS- don't flame... don't try and make cracks about peoples level of intellectual power as far as schooling, he is quite well known around here and you are not... upsetting well known people is not going to kame you popular or liked.

  • 08.20.2004 8:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: VII Toast
This post is the closest thing to a flame war I have ever seen......


Hah! You must not have read some of the topics in New Mombasa lately (or ever been to the Penny Arcade forums to read a Halo2 weekly update...)

  • 08.21.2004 12:12 AM PDT

All your moms suck. In bed.

Anyway. Oni isn't the best, but it certainly isn't the worse. Plus it meant that Bungie got to keep Lorraine ;-)

  • 08.21.2004 12:25 AM PDT
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You know maybe I am weird but I loved ONI. I had the game on PS2 and had a blast. I think for everything going on at the time it is amazing. Remember Bungie was being bought at the time. Also you can tell that the game wasn't polished. It is more like a game that got to a stable state and then wasn't allowed to be polished. I loved it none the less.

In fact it really saddens me that Bungie gave up the rights to ONI. I would love to have seen another ONI using the halo engine or something similar.

  • 08.21.2004 1:32 AM PDT
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I'll try something different and offer a "decent" answer to an otherwise valid question. Granted, you didn't give me much to refute or rebuttal since "really sux" is kinda hard to argue against. Letme try though.

Bungie is sitting around making games. It has finished Myth. One group inside Bungie starts Myth II. jason jones declares he won't make a sequel to myth, and starts BLAM! (Halo, with a few other people). Another group is started, located in San Jose, called Bungie West. The idea is having two game companies in one. Myth II gets made, and that team fractures/ joins the other groups (or just Halo?). either way, Halo is coming along quite nicely, then it gets bought out by M$. We're told that this was vital because Bungie was having trouble with money and such (M$ tends to solve everyone's money problems, doesn't it?). In the deal however, Take 2 was sold rights to Oni and to Myth. All of the sudden, Oni had to go.

I'm sure something can give you better facts than that, or you can even find better information on b.net about it maybe (Bungie history). Certainly, Oni had to be rushed. Also, I want to hazard limitations cropped up. Oni was/is a very revolutionary title. Bungie West wasn't following a formula that has been tried and true. When you inivate you run greater risks. And Bungie isn't going to ever stop that small company innovation that makes it so incredible. But with Oni, time caught up, and some things just didn't get done (say water fountains that were found in beta versions).

I find it an excellent game. And unparrelleled. (maybe i don't play, or have heard of, enough other 3rd person action fighting/gun slinging games). IMO, what I feel is the only vice is how "spartan" its levels can feel.

::shrugs:: hope this response meant something to you.

  • 08.21.2004 2:05 AM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

I don't think Oni is one of Bungie's best but I love it anyway, since it owns Tomb Raider big time.

The reason some people don't find it up to Bungie standards may have something to do with the fact that it was the first and only product Bungie's West Coast division released before the whole company moved from Chicago to Redmond.

  • 08.21.2004 7:33 AM PDT
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Not implying anything or trying to be rude but, you sure seem to mention Lorraine alot goweb. Can we get an explanation for that? (and possibly the username for B.net, cos I always forget who you're talking about :S )

  • 08.21.2004 7:56 AM PDT
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Eh yo iv'e noticed that to and hell yea it suckz

  • 08.21.2004 8:08 AM PDT
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Well oni was back in the day... asking Oni to be anywhere close to Halo is like asking Marathon to be like Doom3.. (minus a little bit of the exaggeration)

  • 08.21.2004 11:44 AM PDT
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Marathon is better than Doom 3.

  • 08.21.2004 1:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jager
I'll try something different and offer a "decent" answer to an otherwise valid question. Granted, you didn't give me much to refute or rebuttal since "really sux" is kinda hard to argue against. Letme try though.

Bungie is sitting around making games. It has finished Myth. One group inside Bungie starts Myth II. jason jones declares he won't make a sequel to myth, and starts BLAM! (Halo, with a few other people). Another group is started, located in San Jose, called Bungie West. The idea is having two game companies in one. Myth II gets made, and that team fractures/ joins the other groups (or just Halo?). either way, Halo is coming along quite nicely, then it gets bought out by M$. We're told that this was vital because Bungie was having trouble with money and such (M$ tends to solve everyone's money problems, doesn't it?). In the deal however, Take 2 was sold rights to Oni and to Myth. All of the sudden, Oni had to go.

I'm sure something can give you better facts than that, or you can even find better information on b.net about it maybe (Bungie history). Certainly, Oni had to be rushed. Also, I want to hazard limitations cropped up. Oni was/is a very revolutionary title. Bungie West wasn't following a formula that has been tried and true. When you inivate you run greater risks. And Bungie isn't going to ever stop that small company innovation that makes it so incredible. But with Oni, time caught up, and some things just didn't get done (say water fountains that were found in beta versions).

I find it an excellent game. And unparrelleled. (maybe i don't play, or have heard of, enough other 3rd person action fighting/gun slinging games). IMO, what I feel is the only vice is how "spartan" its levels can feel.

::shrugs:: hope this response meant something to you.


Thank you, that does make sense. If someone had said that in the beginning, and didn't flame like an ass, then I might have known.

  • 08.21.2004 8:39 PM PDT

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