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Subject: how is there a gravemind on installation 05?

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If you think about it how could the gravemind have rebuilt its self on Delta Halo, or how could the flood have even survived breaking out of quarentine? The flood broke out of containment on Delta Halo centuries before the events of Halo. with no organisms to infect, and therefore no way to reproduce, how could the escaped flood have survived so long out of stasis. If they didnt all starve then the sentinals should have eventually killed off all of the escaped infection forms. in addition, how could they have possibly formed a gravemind, which requires thousands of assimilated corpses to form? The gravemind couldnt have been there already because Halo's firing destroyes graveminds and other high level flood forms (at least in theory). none of this has ever added up to me, and Ive never heard anyone raise this point before. anyone have any theories to explain this? or is it simply a massive oversight?

[Edited on 12.27.2010 5:24 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2010 5:23 PM PDT
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I was literally just about to make the same sort of thread when I saw yours. I've been wondering about this myself for some time now.

  • 12.27.2010 5:30 PM PDT

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Well the flood propagated due to 2401 neglect of protocol but how the flood found enough biomass is beyond me

  • 12.27.2010 7:16 PM PDT

Well the ring is a world full of animals.

  • 12.27.2010 7:34 PM PDT

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The forerunners kept a gravemind in stasis and it broke free during the events of halo.

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It broke out and feasted upon the stored DNA upon halo.

  • 12.27.2010 7:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Well the ring is a world full of animals.
yeh, but nothing sentient. The flood can only infect sentient lifeforms, and without combat forms to produce spores, they arent even good for biomass.

  • 12.27.2010 7:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Well the ring is a world full of animals.
yeh, but nothing sentient. The flood can only infect sentient lifeforms, and without combat forms to produce spores, they arent even good for biomass.

The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor begs to differ. The Flood infected an animal preserve on the Infinite Succor.

  • 12.27.2010 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Well the ring is a world full of animals.
yeh, but nothing sentient. The flood can only infect sentient lifeforms, and without combat forms to produce spores, they arent even good for biomass.

The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor begs to differ. The Flood infected an animal preserve on the Infinite Succor.
were the animals turned into combat forms, or just melted into biomass?

  • 12.27.2010 8:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Well the ring is a world full of animals.
yeh, but nothing sentient. The flood can only infect sentient lifeforms, and without combat forms to produce spores, they arent even good for biomass.

The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor begs to differ. The Flood infected an animal preserve on the Infinite Succor.
were the animals turned into combat forms, or just melted into biomass?

Looked like Combat Forms, they were using human weapons too.

  • 12.27.2010 8:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Well the ring is a world full of animals.
yeh, but nothing sentient. The flood can only infect sentient lifeforms, and without combat forms to produce spores, they arent even good for biomass.

The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor begs to differ. The Flood infected an animal preserve on the Infinite Succor.
were the animals turned into combat forms, or just melted into biomass?

Looked like Combat Forms, they were using human weapons too.
huh, thats odd, but even so a gravemind needs sentient lifeforms to form. it uses their knowlege and nervous system to function.

  • 12.27.2010 8:05 PM PDT

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Gravemind already existed on the installation - there was probably sufficient biomass from, perhaps, what was supposed to be a 'controlled' experiment on the Flood's propagation through consummation, but that might have gotten out of hand due to 'neglect of protocol', allowing the newly formed Gravemind to capture the Monitor.

Another explanation would be that the Gravemind that formed previously might have hidden out on the Halo as Mendicant Bias kept Offensive and the rest of the Forerunners occupied.

Final explanation might be that the sheer amount of specimen samples kept by the Forerunner (as also shown on Installation 04) might have converged together to form another Gravemind - it doesn't take that much biomass, relatively, to create one, as shown with the Proto-Gravemind in Halo CE.

I might get on tomorrow and make these sound a little more coherent, but I'm off to be for now.

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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Well the ring is a world full of animals.

this. But also put in the fact that we don't know if any other intelligent life forms came to installation 05 before humanity and the covenant.

  • 12.27.2010 8:57 PM PDT

I personally believe that that was the same Gravemind that the Forerunners fought.

The Sentinel Wall had a fairly small circumference. This means that the Flood was more or less cornered, and on the verge of defeat.

Then a surge of sentient bioforms and effective weaponry arrived in the form of the Covenant Fleet and In Amber Cladp...

[Edited on 12.27.2010 10:51 PM PST]

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Posted by: Darthbill99

huh, thats odd, but even so a gravemind needs sentient lifeforms to form. it uses their knowlege and nervous system to function.

Many animals have nervous system too. They are sentient as well. If a species don't show any sign of technological advancement doesn't mean it isn't sentient. Non sentient lifeforms are lifeforms like plants, mushroom and bacteria. Any of those doesn't have nervous system.

Short answer: Animals are sentient too.

  • 12.27.2010 11:24 PM PDT
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It may be possible the Forerunner captured or created their own Gravemind to learn more about their enemy. I believe that at a certain stage in Flood maturity it can produce it's on biomass, this is based on High Charity in Halo 3.

  • 12.27.2010 11:30 PM PDT

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BUT HOW THE HELL DID IT DRAG ITS BULP A** OF HALO AND ONTO HIGH CHARITY!?!

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  • 12.28.2010 5:30 AM PDT

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BUT HOW THE HELL DID IT DRAG ITS BULP A** OF HALO AND ONTO HIGH CHARITY!?!

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It boarded In Amber Clad and sped off to High Charity.

  • 12.28.2010 5:33 AM PDT


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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Well the ring is a world full of animals.
yeh, but nothing sentient. The flood can only infect sentient lifeforms, and without combat forms to produce spores, they arent even good for biomass.


sentience=/=sapience.

Dolphins are sentient, but are not sapient (like us); all the Flood needs is sufficient biomass, really, as any sentient creature has already evolved to the point of proper biomass (eg: you're not going to find a sentient fruit fly)

@Plasma 3150

Techincally, it was the same Gravemind, just with less power. Each Gravemind is the same consciousness, just a different state of physical being, like how this Mind had all of the memories of the last one, and how he (however fleetingly) referrs to the assimilation of Medicant Bias as if he was the one who did it in Human Weakness.

[Edited on 12.28.2010 5:43 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2010 5:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Darthbill99

huh, thats odd, but even so a gravemind needs sentient lifeforms to form. it uses their knowlege and nervous system to function.

Many animals have nervous system too. They are sentient as well. If a species don't show any sign of technological advancement doesn't mean it isn't sentient. Non sentient lifeforms are lifeforms like plants, mushroom and bacteria. Any of those doesn't have nervous system.

Short answer: Animals are sentient too.
well, yes but I think when they refere to sentient they are more refering to intelligent lifeforms like elites, and humans.

  • 12.28.2010 9:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Darthbill99

huh, thats odd, but even so a gravemind needs sentient lifeforms to form. it uses their knowlege and nervous system to function.

Many animals have nervous system too. They are sentient as well. If a species don't show any sign of technological advancement doesn't mean it isn't sentient. Non sentient lifeforms are lifeforms like plants, mushroom and bacteria. Any of those doesn't have nervous system.

Short answer: Animals are sentient too.
well, yes but I think when they refere to sentient they are more refering to intelligent lifeforms like elites, and humans.


Anything with a nervous system can be infected.

  • 12.28.2010 9:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Darthbill99

huh, thats odd, but even so a gravemind needs sentient lifeforms to form. it uses their knowlege and nervous system to function.

Many animals have nervous system too. They are sentient as well. If a species don't show any sign of technological advancement doesn't mean it isn't sentient. Non sentient lifeforms are lifeforms like plants, mushroom and bacteria. Any of those doesn't have nervous system.

Short answer: Animals are sentient too.
well, yes but I think when they refere to sentient they are more refering to intelligent lifeforms like elites, and humans.


Anything with a nervous system can be infected.
with sufficiant calcium and biomass of course.

  • 12.28.2010 6:16 PM PDT


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Posted by: Darthbill99

huh, thats odd, but even so a gravemind needs sentient lifeforms to form. it uses their knowlege and nervous system to function.

Many animals have nervous system too. They are sentient as well. If a species don't show any sign of technological advancement doesn't mean it isn't sentient. Non sentient lifeforms are lifeforms like plants, mushroom and bacteria. Any of those doesn't have nervous system.

Short answer: Animals are sentient too.
well, yes but I think when they refere to sentient they are more refering to intelligent lifeforms like elites, and humans.
That is Sapience. It is the prefered host, but not a necessity.

  • 12.28.2010 9:49 PM PDT