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Subject: Halo Time-Travel

Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.

If we assume that the Forerunner Crystal found by Halsey works: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner_Crystal


Spartans II = Security Officers from Marathon

According to: http://marathon.bungie.org/story/
Either that or 'not all cyborgs are equal' and you are "bigger and stronger, and a better shot" than the other nine cyborgs.

This is important for two reasons:
1)Similar to Fred of the Spartan II's
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Fred
n fact, John once said that Fred came in 2nd place in all of the contests the Spartans had as children, John thought he could have come out on top but didn't like the attention.

2)There are 10 Spartan II's alive
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=31135064&p ostRepeater1-p=1


Theory: The remaining 10 Spartan II's timetravelled via the Forerunner Crystal and was taken back to a Forerunner planet located in the same Galactic System 10,000 years in the past following the Human-Forerunner War. The human's, with their (it is mentioned as something else in Halo: Cryptum) suit's of armor fit in with the Forerunners in their suits and assume the roles of Security Officers under the guidance of Cortana and/or Halsey.

This would explain why 343 GS and the other Monitor confuse John with Forerunner and call him "Reclaimer":
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/343_Guilty_Spark
You are a child of my makers, inheritors of all they left behind. You are Forerunner, but this ring... is mine!"
343 Guilty Spark turning rampant


If you know all about Marathon, Halo, and Bungie, and have read the first 2 chapters of Halo: Cryptum then you should be able to prove this or disprove it.

I can do neither, I am only here to guide you...

[Edited on 12.28.2010 1:19 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2010 12:49 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Unfortunately, I must disprove it.
Bungie has explicitly stated that the timelines of Halo and Marathon do not intersect.

The coincidences you have listed are most likely intentional (though obscure) references.

  • 12.28.2010 12:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Unfortunately, I must disprove it.
Bungie has explicitly stated that the timelines of Halo and Marathon do not intersect.


Plotlines are a different story.

If you have read the first two chapters of Halo: Cryptum you may begin to see similarities that are surely more than coincidental.

  • 12.28.2010 1:01 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

I've not, I thought it was out mid-January, not December.

  • 12.28.2010 1:12 AM PDT

Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.

The first two chapters are. I suggest reading it.

Further similarities:

Cortana described in Marathon Terminals

From Marathon Terminals:
http://marathon.bungie.org/story/


SMUG INTELLECTUAL. Formerly-rampant human- coded AI with a sense of humor seeks bipedal oxygen-breathing cyborg for serious relationship in the galactic core. I've got cool guns if you like to break stuff. No yuppies. MRa2572 (5/23).

SLEEPING BEAUTY. Long-deactivated extraterrestrial personality construct in search of gullible carbon-based cyborg (< 20% machine) to confuse, irritate and teleport randomly around an abandoned desert planet in the core. All answered. MRa268' (5/30).

GOD'S GIFT TO NEURAL NETS. Traitorous extremely-rampant reprogrammed human AI with no sense of humor seeks elusive, heroic cyborg of uncertain manufacture (you know who you are) for mindgames and long walks in hard vacuum. MRa2261 (5/16)

DAMSEL IN DISTRESS. Captured and partially-disassembled human-coded AI trapped on alien homeworld seeks succor from a tall, dark and handsome cyborg with big guns. Let my rescue be the basis of a lasting relationship. MRa4451 (5/23).


Less than 20% machine? Spartan II's easily fit that.

As for the rest, well you tell me if you honestly don't believe Cortana's mindset fits all those descriptions.

  • 12.28.2010 1:34 AM PDT

nah man; people have thought this same thing before time and time again over the years and it has always been strictly stated by Bungie that the two are seperate universes.

They just like making innocent referances to their past games; no need to over-complicate things.

  • 12.28.2010 5:46 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

The remaining 10 Spartan II's timetravelled via the Forerunner Crystal and was taken back to a Forerunner planet located in the same Galactic System 10,000 years in the past following the Human-Forerunner War. The human's, with their (it is mentioned as something else in Halo: Cryptum) suit's of armor fit in with the Forerunners in their suits and assume the roles of Security Officers under the guidance of Cortana and/or Halsey.

A few problems with your theory.

1) Locklear destroyed the Crystal (which is never said to be Forerunner and doesn't seem likely to be), the Covenant only managed to recover a single fragment of it.
2) Red Team are currently aboard the Spirit of Fire adrift in space, no time travel for them.
3) Grey Team are deep behind enemy lines towards the end of the war, we know nothing of what happened after that so no time travel for them.
4) Blue Team are trapped in the Micro Dyson Sphere with Halsey, Mendez, Team Katana and Team Gladius (the latter absorbed into Blue Team). No time travel for them.
5) Mendicant Bias pretty much tells John he's sending him to the Forerunners to prove he has atoned. Why use time travel when the Forerunners are still alive, but outside the Milky Way?
6) I think you mean 100,000 years.
7) Cortana would be rampant, John and Cortana are adrift by 2559. Cortana was created in 2549, at the end of Origins she begins to show signs of succumbing to rampancy.

  • 12.28.2010 6:00 AM PDT

Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.

1) Shards of the Crystal were recovered by both the Covenent and the UNSC.
2)The destruction of the shield world may have caused a time-warp. John-117 would have gone through the same event following the destruction of the Ark.
3)We don't know what happened to Gray Team, therefore we can assume that they have stumbled upon a method of Time-Travel.
4)Dyson Sphere = Forerunner Structure, Time-Travel is a possibility within the sphere.
5)MB knows that all Forerunner are dead, he is attoning for his past actions by sending John into the past to prevent the Human-Forerunner war and stop the Flood from revolting and turning upon their enslavers(Phfor=Forerunners)(who very closly resemble the S'pht in Marathon, organic beings who are only sentient with the aid of technology. Controlled by a central intelligent being [Gravemind?]).
6) Yeah, my bad. 100,000 years ago...
7)What's your point behind this?

The picture is clear if you do the research.

  • 12.28.2010 10:42 AM PDT

(MLG)

I agreed, but i confesse i havent read any halo novel or marathon

  • 12.28.2010 10:57 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: cpv18
1) Shards of the Crystal were recovered by both the Covenent and the UNSC.


No, the Covenant only got a single shard (Tartarus giving it to Truth in the epilogue of First Strike). The UNSC didn't get any of the shards.

2)The destruction of the shield world may have caused a time-warp. John-117 would have gone through the same event following the destruction of the Ark.

Oh, this is hilarious. No, Onyx was comprised of trillions of Sentinels that disengaged and began fighting off the Covenant fleet. If it caused a "time warp" and they were sent into the acid-based idea you have, then why is the epilogue set within the Micro Dyson Sphere?

3)We don't know what happened to Gray Team, therefore we can assume that they have stumbled upon a method of Time-Travel.
4)Dyson Sphere = Forerunner Structure, Time-Travel is a possibility within the sphere.


*Convinced you are trolling.*

5)MB knows that all Forerunner are dead, he is attoning for his past actions by sending John into the past to prevent the Human-Forerunner war and stop the Flood from revolting and turning upon their enslavers(Phfor=Forerunners)(who very closly resemble the S'pht in Marathon, organic beings who are only sentient with the aid of technology. Controlled by a central intelligent being [Gravemind?]).

The Forerunners aren't dead, they left the galaxy at the end of the Forerunner-Flood war after reseeding life and passing the Mantle to humanity. Bias is atoning by sending a Reclaimer to them to prove he's changed, that's going to mean bugger all if he sends John back before the Human-Forerunner war where the Forerunners hate humans.

The Human-Forerunner war was about 50,000 years before the Flood showed up. How can you make up a theory on the basis of a part of Halo history that we've had about a paragraph of info about?

7)What's your point behind this?

You said Cortana or Halsey would be their guide. Cortana is rampant, Halsey doesn't fit into the "theory" at all.

The picture is clear if you do the research.

All that's clear right now is that you're either a very successful troll, or just plain stupid.

[Edited on 12.28.2010 11:16 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2010 11:15 AM PDT

Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.

"This Galaxy is vast; its wonders and beauty are almost unfathomable. But the galaxy also hides dark secrets, some of which have lain dormant since the beginning of time itself. There is a danger in secrets, both in seeking and in knowing. Some things are meant to be hidden from view. Some mysteries defy understanding, and sometimes even the things we think we know are untrue. Some secrets should remain untouched."
-Cortana


Bungie is in the process of creating the most complex story every told.

I don't believe I will be able to convince you (ajw34307), but I believe in Bungie's complex storytelling ability.

The proof is out there.

  • 12.28.2010 11:38 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: cpv18
"This Galaxy is vast; its wonders and beauty are almost unfathomable. But the galaxy also hides dark secrets, some of which have lain dormant since the beginning of time itself. There is a danger in secrets, both in seeking and in knowing. Some things are meant to be hidden from view. Some mysteries defy understanding, and sometimes even the things we think we know are untrue. Some secrets should remain untouched."
-Cortana


Bungie is in the process of creating the most complex story every told.

I don't believe I will be able to convince you (ajw34307), but I believe in Bungie's complex storytelling ability.

The proof is out there.


Yeah, that's 343 Industries, Bungie aren't making Halo anymore.

Oh, and complex doesn't mean "made up with no basis of common sense". There is absolutely no proof out there, Moulder, that what you have proposed is even remotely correct.

[Edited on 12.28.2010 11:44 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2010 11:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: cpv18
Spartans II = Security Officers from Marathon

According to: http://marathon.bungie.org/story/
Either that or 'not all cyborgs are equal' and you are "bigger and stronger, and a better shot" than the other nine cyborgs.

This is important for two reasons:
1)Similar to Fred of the Spartan II's
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Fred
n fact, John once said that Fred came in 2nd place in all of the contests the Spartans had as children, John thought he could have come out on top but didn't like the attention.

If you are using this to suggest that the Marathon Protagonist is John (or Fred) then there is a problem. No Spartan-II is bigger, stronger and a better shot than the others.

Kelly is the fastest; Linda is the best shot; Sam was the biggest and strongest; John was the best leader (Or perhaps that was Kurt?). Anyway, regardless of that, John was average in everything. He was just the Luckiest.

Posted by: cpv18
2)There are 10 Spartan II's alive
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=31135064&p ostRepeater1-p=1

Black Team. We do not know what their status is. That makes it potentially 14.

  • 12.28.2010 11:47 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: A18

Anton?

  • 12.28.2010 11:49 AM PDT

Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.

I suggest you go ahead and read everything on this website:

http://marathon.bungie.org/story/

Until you do, I disregard everything that you claim disproves my theory.

  • 12.28.2010 11:54 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: cpv18
I suggest you go ahead and read everything on this website:

http://marathon.bungie.org/story/

Until you do, I disregard everything that you claim disproves my theory.


I don't give a flying toss what you regard or disregard, at the end of the day you're wrong - you just can't accept that.

  • 12.28.2010 11:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: A18
Anton?

Yup. ;)

  • 12.28.2010 11:57 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: A18
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: A18
Anton?

Yup. ;)


Your coup = obvious. :L

  • 12.28.2010 11:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: cpv18
I suggest you go ahead and read everything on this website:

http://marathon.bungie.org/story/

Until you do, I disregard everything that you claim disproves my theory.

lol

I do not need to understand Marathon to know that 10 =/= 14!

  • 12.28.2010 12:05 PM PDT


Posted by: cpv18
"This Galaxy is vast; its wonders and beauty are almost unfathomable. But the galaxy also hides dark secrets, some of which have lain dormant since the beginning of time itself. There is a danger in secrets, both in seeking and in knowing. Some things are meant to be hidden from view. Some mysteries defy understanding, and sometimes even the things we think we know are untrue. Some secrets should remain untouched."
-Cortana


Bungie is in the process of creating the most complex story every told.




While I--and anyone who is as informed of the mysteries and history of the Halo universe as I am would--agree, I do not think this is the way its going to go. Bungie already stated Marathon and Halo are seperate.

But yes, I have never heard of such a story with as much intrigue, thought process, symbolism, and depth as Halo before. What other story have you heard that--when properly told--takes 16 years (its ending in 6 years according to Frankie) to tell via cryptic messages and hints for the fans to uncover?

  • 12.28.2010 12:11 PM PDT

Sour0deez is the leader of the t-P-t
And Administrator of The Clan Union Group
this file is not linked to sour0deez due to technical difficulties this file is linked to MUGBEER19 also IMPORTANT here my name is sourodeez on xbox it is sour0deez

roberto, I don't know what to think about you...
grrrrr

  • 12.28.2010 12:28 PM PDT


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roberto, I don't know what to think about you...
grrrrr


how so?

  • 12.28.2010 12:31 PM PDT

Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.

Jjaro=Precursors
http://marathongame.wikia.com/wiki/Jjaro
W'rkncacnter=Flood
http://marathongame.wikia.com/wiki/W%27rkncacnter


Oddly , this is familiar to you, as if it were from an old dream, but you can't exactly remember...

This is Bungie's style! They are mysterious! The story is in front of us, and Bungie is leading us to the Tru7h that we should already know.

  • 12.28.2010 12:59 PM PDT


Posted by: cpv18
Jjaro=Precursors
http://marathongame.wikia.com/wiki/Jjaro
W'rkncacnter=Flood
http://marathongame.wikia.com/wiki/W%27rkncacnter


Oddly , this is familiar to you, as if it were from an old dream, but you can't exactly remember...

This is Bungie's style! They are mysterious! The story is in front of us, and Bungie is leading us to the Tru7h that we should already know.


they have literally said the stories are unrelated, that they are two seperate universes!

Why do you not understand this?

Look, I'm willing to have an open mind, but when the story teller says "these stories are unrelated" I listen.

  • 12.28.2010 1:04 PM PDT

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