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Subject: UNSC Firearms Compared to Modern counterparts.

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Hi
Don't chastise me since I'm new here, but one thing kept on bothering me.
How is it that the battle rifle, assault rifle, and human assault rifle all have inferior ranges compared to modern firearms ?
I mean the MA5C Assault Rifle has a maximum range of 300 meters,and the battle rifle cited in Contact Harvest had a range of 950 meters and only was a prototype.
The Sniper rifle has a range of up to 2300 meters.

Compared to the m16 which has a range of up to 3600 meters and the Barrett 50.cal has a maximum range of up to 6000 meters and a maximum effective range of up to 2000 meters.

You'd think 500 years into the future, we would also be integrating coil gun technology into most of out firearms instead of primitive propellants.

I got some of my info from halopedia, not sure if that's reliable to you guys but.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/MA5C_Individual_Combat_Weapon_Syst em

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/BR55HB_SR_Battle_Rifle

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sniper_Rifle_System_99D-S2_Anti-Ma t%C3%A9riel

Here are the links i got for the modern firearms.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m16.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82

"The maximum range of this weapon (specifically the M107 variant) is 7,450 yards (6,812m). The maximum effective range of the M107 is 2,000 yards (1,829m). This is, in fact, the distance as quoted in the owner's manual that should be allowed downrange for bullet travel. Fifty caliber (and larger) rounds have the potential to travel great distances if fired in an artillery-like fashion, necessitating the observance of large safety margins when firing on a range."

  • 12.29.2010 12:39 PM PDT

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You already posted this in the flood.

  • 12.29.2010 12:42 PM PDT

Yea but the right forum is this one he didnt know....

  • 12.29.2010 12:43 PM PDT

Well, to be honest, you're never really that far to even consider firing that far, you're always in CQC and if that's the case, so be it, the BR55 varies in range and effectiveness, it has 3 settings, semi auto, three round burst, and fully automatic, it is most effective at semi auto as it was said that it's range pretty much doubles, that and with a new scope.

MA5C isn't meant for range.

Now the sniper is a different story, you're reffering to the sniper primarily used in Halo 3, sure, that might seem like the newest sniper, but look at it first of all. It is extremely light, equipped with a thermal scope, no recoil once fired, and fires 14.5x114mm rounds. What more can you ask for in a sniper?

  • 12.29.2010 1:03 PM PDT

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  • 12.29.2010 1:05 PM PDT

I'm sure they only made the UNSC weapons so short ranged is because otherwise people would be using them as sniper rifles. Balancing basically. Canon wise I'm not sure, I guess it's a decent enough range considering what they do. But there is a difference between accurate range and maximum range.

[Edited on 12.29.2010 1:10 PM PST]

  • 12.29.2010 1:09 PM PDT

If the Barrett .50 cal has a maximum range of 2,000 yards, how would the m16 have a longer range?

As Jun said in Reach, the sniper "can take the hat off an elite a 2,000 yards" meaning it still has very high power at the Barrett's maximum range. Also the ranges in contact harvest were be novices without high power scopes, I'm sure the assault rifle could have a further effective range.

Also in contact harvest it mentions use of coil gun tech in a sniper used by Sgt. Johnson.

  • 12.29.2010 8:36 PM PDT

The guns would be much too overpowered if they were as good as they should be, so Bungie made toned them down...that's why

  • 12.29.2010 8:45 PM PDT

Question: Why do we need to shoot a gun half way across a planet?

We don't have hyper-advanced guns in the UNSC because more modern technology kills just fine.

Like this one guy who's name I cant remember posted in another thread, we needed cheap and reliable weapon technology on the field ASAP on account of the little quasi-wars such as the Insurrection, and the Covenant, that kept cropping up.

I just don't get laser weapons like in Star War. Do they kill any better then projectiles? No, they kill worse actually in some cases.

[Edited on 12.30.2010 7:12 AM PST]

  • 12.30.2010 7:10 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I just don't get laser weapons like in Star War. Do they kill any better then projectiles? No, they kill worse actually in some cases.


Actually, all laser weapons in Star Wars are plasma weapons, and if they are high-powered enough, they can go cleanly through people. The tiny little holdout blasters like laser pistols are used mainly for stunning the enemy. (With the exception of Han Solo's illegally modified, overpowered blaster)

  • 12.30.2010 7:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Question: Why do we need to shoot a gun half way across a planet?

We don't have hyper-advanced guns in the UNSC because more modern technology kills just fine.

Like this one guy who's name I cant remember posted in another thread, we needed cheap and reliable weapon technology on the field ASAP on account of the little quasi-wars such as the Insurrection, and the Covenant, that kept cropping up.

I just don't get laser weapons like in Star War. Do they kill any better then projectiles? No, they kill worse actually in some cases.
We need to fire guns halfway across the planet for the same reason we need to drive a car on the moon. I agree completely, and you're absolutely right.

Saying we should have lasers or gauss weapons instead of bullets is like saying we should all have light daggers or something instead of steel knives. The knife hasn't changed much since the dawn of time for a reason.

The purpose of guns are to kill stuff, and they do that just fine. I do believe, however, that humanity would develop different types of weapons than guns. Hard to say what that would be, and it would probably be stuff that standard infantry wouldn't be able to use anyway so that point is moot in this discussion.

  • 12.30.2010 8:57 AM PDT

Well considering the bullets can pierce through vehicles im fine with their range

  • 12.30.2010 2:06 PM PDT


Posted by: yumistoast
The guns would be much too overpowered if they were as good as they should be, so Bungie made toned them down...that's why


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  • 12.30.2010 2:07 PM PDT

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Firs off, your ranges are not the effective combat range of the rifles. The longest confirmed kill ever was at 2475m. by a man with a bolt action rifle. The longest kill with an M-107 (Barrett .50) is only 1380m.
Posted by: Painbow 6
The purpose of guns are to kill stuff, and they do that just fine. I do believe, however, that humanity would develop different types of weapons than guns. Hard to say what that would be, and it would probably be stuff that standard infantry wouldn't be able to use anyway so that point is moot in this discussion.

We as humans are always thinking of new and creative ways to kill each other. There is no reason to believe that this will stop in the next 500 years.

As for the people saying that weapons now "kill just fine", people could have had the same conversation about longbows and trebuchets, but these weapons became outdated with the use of the musket. There is no reason that there won't be another proverbial musket in the next 500 years.

The reason that weapons in game have such short ranges is that if weapons had longer ranges then everything would be a sniper rifle, or people would have to walk too far for it to be fun. The reason that all of the human weapons aren't futuristic is that Bungie wanted the human stuff in game to feel familiar.

  • 12.30.2010 6:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
As for the people saying that weapons now "kill just fine", people could have had the same conversation about longbows and trebuchets, but these weapons became outdated with the use of the musket. There is no reason that there won't be another proverbial musket in the next 500 years.
Yes, but we didn't create a heat tracking arrow to fire from a longbow. Or a giant rocket propelled ball that we shoot from a trebuchet. There's not much reason to change a gun, they work just fine. Why have an expensive, complicated weapon when you can have a cheap simple one that does the same thing?

What you are saying is what I said earlier- there might not even be guns at all.

[Edited on 01.03.2011 8:33 AM PST]

  • 01.03.2011 8:32 AM PDT

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But yes, I think in 500 years powder propellants will be history.



  • 01.03.2011 8:41 AM PDT

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You already posted this OP. And the M16 Rifle does not have an effective range of around 2 and a quarter miles...

  • 01.03.2011 8:42 AM PDT

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Dont forget this little detail, have you ever seen a UNSC weapon jam? Some of these weapons are really powerful but Bungie couldnt show how much due to the game. Do you think anything less than a Deagle of todays pistols could knock off an elite's shields with a single clip?

  • 01.03.2011 8:57 AM PDT

Learn to accept people interest.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you think the American m-16 has a range of 3600m. Let kept the this simple. the max range of an m-16 is 400-600m MAX

  • 01.04.2011 9:23 AM PDT
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Having uber-long range guns in useless. By that point - and the longest-distance record sniper kill guy said this himself - you have to take into account the spinning of the Earth into your shot.

Why not just close in on the enemy and devastate them with ferocious firepower from the BR55, MA5C and M7?

  • 01.04.2011 10:29 AM PDT

think your all missing the point, the UNSC are supposed to be a modern force, based on todays modern forces since the developers didn't want to go into stupid laser pistols and such with the humans. also why bother? lasers aren't some incredible end all weapons, you would likely do more damage by tearing through someones body with a high velocity solid projectile than a beam of energy. you really think in five hundred years all soldiers are gonna be running round with directed energy weapons? get real, how much are these weapons gonna cost? don't think the projectile weapon is going anywhere anytime soon, if it ain't broke, why fix it..?

the only things that really need improved with projectile weapons are things like jamming, metal storm style weapons could fix that since they have moving parts. the only thing i dislike about the halo universe, and human technology is how old fashioned their implimentation of modern firearms is, think about it this way, the XM-29 or OICW as it was called was a neat weapon, 5.56mm assault rifle with a 20mm cannon (yes, a cannon) which could be programmed to detonate at a set distance after leaving the barrel, it also had cameras on the gun which could be linked via fibre optics to the soldiers head-up display, letting him/her physically point their gun round a corner, without risking themselves. things like that have a home in the halo universe potentially, to demonstate human thinking and to offset the technological divide between the two enemies, the covenant plasma weapons should be horrific, maiming or killing you, not just causing a minor inconvienience. personally think UNSC weapons should be projectile, but innovative and clever and covenant weapons advanced, energy based and lethal.

  • 01.04.2011 10:47 AM PDT

If you think about it the covenant aren't really that advanced. They copied their technology from the Forerunners it states in the books that they don't even realize the full potential of their weapons and ships some of their technology they don't even realize how it works. Examples being that in first strike the Destroyer class UNSC ships nuclear plant put out more energy than the giant one on the super carrier covenant ship it was attached to. Cortana even made the plasma weapons better and more efficient by rewriting the codes for the magnetic coils.

  • 01.04.2011 3:03 PM PDT