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Subject: They had good hearts, but were led by a corrupt prophet

I have a huge amount of sympathy towards the elites in halo. I think it started when the elite hugged Sgt. Johnson in the Legendary ending of Halo:CE. It just shows that they were misrepresented by humans and they saw all of our sins and wanted to change us.

For some reason it seems as if the relationship between the spartans and elites are much like Native Americans and Cowboys, except its 500 years later when the Native Americans want to take back Reach (or destroy it because the land is no longer sacred).

Whatever the case I can truly say I sympathized more for the Arbiter in Reach then Master Chief. I mean really Master Chief was a cocky -blam!-. The Arbiter I believe was much wiser and seemed to have a deeper understanding of the world around him. The whole Halo series made me wonder towards the end if the elites were right in their motives.

  • 12.29.2010 4:10 PM PDT
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elites didn't like the prophets in the first place. they fought a war and the prophets won. the elites didn't want to us forunner tools, but the prophets did. so in a sense if the elites won non of it would of started.

  • 12.29.2010 4:33 PM PDT

What motives? :P

They did horrific things and many of them had horrific minds all along. They partook in forcing helpless species into their religion and empire, and although some of them respected our ways, most of the Elites hated humanity as much as they hated the Brutes during after the Schism because of our "heresy". But of course everything wrong they did was in blind faith caused by the Prophets, the real villains. Remember that The Arbiter too used to consider MC a demon that needed to be slain for his heresy.

  • 12.29.2010 4:35 PM PDT
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  • 12.29.2010 4:37 PM PDT

Posted by: spurkis
What motives? :P

They did horrific things and many of them had horrific minds all along. They partook in forcing helpless species into their religion and empire, and although some of them respected our ways, most of the Elites hated humanity as much as they hated the Brutes during after the Schism because of our "heresy". But of course everything wrong they did was in blind faith caused by the Prophets, the real villains. Remember that The Arbiter too used to consider MC a demon that needed to be slain for his heresy.

Look at the "horrific" things we've done to our planet. Seems like karma to me.

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The legendary ending of CE is not canon.

Anyway, personally I think that they are an overrated, rotten-to-the-core race. The Return in Evolutions shattered any ideas I had about them having any sort of Nobility (Not that that was really in question to be honest). They basically just buggered off and left behind all that damage and pain they inflicted. Then there is all the other things they did during the war...

There is a question, raised in the Conversations from the Universe booklet, of whether they even truly believed in what they were doing. Yet they still did it.

  • 12.29.2010 4:46 PM PDT

Posted by: A18
The legendary ending of CE is not canon.

Anyway, personally I think that they are an overrated, rotten-to-the-core race. The Return in Evolutions shattered any ideas I had about them having any sort of Nobility (Not that that was really in question to be honest). They basically just buggered off and left behind all that damage and pain they inflicted. Then there is all the other things they did during the war...

There is a question, raised in the Conversations from the Universe booklet, of whether they even truly believed in what they were doing. Yet they still did it.

You have to take into consideration how they would've been treated by humans if they had stayed. I think they thought it would be best just too leave them alone and that they should leave the humans in peace, remember they had their own planet too.

  • 12.29.2010 4:56 PM PDT

Keep in mind that the Elites are individuals, like humans. We all have our own opinions. I mean, The Arbiter did some very noble things when the Schism started.

[Edited on 12.29.2010 5:06 PM PST]

  • 12.29.2010 5:05 PM PDT

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lol. that short story was abit scary

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Posted by: spurkis
Keep in mind that the Elites are individuals, like humans. We all have our own opinions. I mean, The Arbiter did some very noble things when the Schism started.

Okay. I guess I was being too cynical.

But some are just blatant charlatans with their honour.

  • 12.29.2010 5:19 PM PDT

I fully agree with your view on some of them, MANY of them though. I guess we can conclude that the writers of the games and novels did a great job in creating a very nuanced race.

  • 12.29.2010 5:26 PM PDT

Posted by: spurkis
I fully agree with your view on some of them, MANY of them though. I guess we can conclude that the writers of the games and novels did a great job in creating a very nuanced race.

I think parts of the Campaign are designed to make us question if we are the bad guys in all this and if our existence on earth is "Morally correct" by even our own standards.

[Edited on 12.29.2010 5:44 PM PST]

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Posted by: spurkis
I fully agree with your view on some of them, MANY of them though. I guess we can conclude that the writers of the games and novels did a great job in creating a very nuanced race.

I think parts of the Campaign are designed to make us question if we are the bad guys in all this and if our existence on earth is "Morally correct" by even our own standards.

Why would our existence on Earth be otherwise? If you do not exist, then neither do morals.

The Covenant are definitely the bad guys. They are wiping out an innocent race by the billions for a religion that should not exist, as it is a failure. They are wiping out the race that the Forerunner chose to success them and attempting to take that birthright. They commit sacrilege with the Forerunners technology and [shit] all over the Mantle.

They knew deep down that what they were doing was wrong, it is just that no one had the courage to usurp the Prophets

  • 12.29.2010 6:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: propheceit
Posted by: spurkis
I fully agree with your view on some of them, MANY of them though. I guess we can conclude that the writers of the games and novels did a great job in creating a very nuanced race.

I think parts of the Campaign are designed to make us question if we are the bad guys in all this and if our existence on earth is "Morally correct" by even our own standards.

Why would our existence on Earth be otherwise? If you do not exist, then neither do morals.

The Covenant are definitely the bad guys. They are wiping out an innocent race by the billions for a religion that should not exist, as it is a failure. They are wiping out the race that the Forerunner chose to success them and attempting to take that birthright. They commit sacrilege with the Forerunners technology and [shit] all over the Mantle.

They knew deep down that what they were doing was wrong, it is just that no one had the courage to usurp the Prophets

Innocent! We by no means are an innocent race buddy.

  • 12.29.2010 7:03 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins


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Innocent! We by no means are an innocent race buddy.
well, we sure as hell didnt do anything to them!!!

  • 12.29.2010 7:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: propheceit
Innocent! We by no means are an innocent race buddy.
well, we sure as hell didnt do anything to them!!!

Yeah but we poison the sacred ground we stand on much like rats.

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CoD is a good game, even if the Halo series are better in some aspects. Anyone who insults either is just bad in that game. Grow up.


Posted by: propheceit
I have a huge amount of sympathy towards the elites in halo. I think it started when the elite hugged Sgt. Johnson in the Legendary ending of Halo:CE. It just shows that they were misrepresented by humans and they saw all of our sins and wanted to change us.

For some reason it seems as if the relationship between the spartans and elites are much like Native Americans and Cowboys, except its 500 years later when the Native Americans want to take back Reach (or destroy it because the land is no longer sacred).

Whatever the case I can truly say I sympathized more for the Arbiter in Reach then Master Chief. I mean really Master Chief was a cocky -blam!-. The Arbiter I believe was much wiser and seemed to have a deeper understanding of the world around him. The whole Halo series made me wonder towards the end if the elites were right in their motives.

Another canonically ignorant post. Seriously, read the novels, they will help you realize that things in the Halo story isn't just one-sided. Master Chief is far from being cocky, for example.

  • 12.29.2010 7:34 PM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.

So you're saying the Human race isn't corrupt? I feel bad for you OP.

  • 12.29.2010 7:34 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins


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Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: propheceit
Innocent! We by no means are an innocent race buddy.
well, we sure as hell didnt do anything to them!!!

Yeah but we poison the sacred ground we stand on much like rats.
wow, someone doesnt like his own species very much, or rats for that matter. were not perfect but at least by that time we stopped polluting planets

[Edited on 12.29.2010 7:41 PM PST]

  • 12.29.2010 7:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: propheceit
Innocent! We by no means are an innocent race buddy.
well, we sure as hell didnt do anything to them!!!

Yeah but we poison the sacred ground we stand on much like rats.
wow, someone doesnt like his own species very much, or rats for that matter. were not perfect but at least by that time we stopped polluting planets

Look at our planet man I know its hypocritical but I mean We really done goofed.

  • 12.29.2010 7:52 PM PDT


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Posted by: propheceit
Innocent! We by no means are an innocent race buddy.
well, we sure as hell didnt do anything to them!!!

Yeah but we poison the sacred ground we stand on much like rats.
Yeah, and the Covenant totally didn't destroy about 50 worlds biosphere, making the only life on it to be bacteria and that is if they are lucky with the only way complex oganisms would be able to thrive on them naturally would be to allow it to repair itself over the course of tens on millions of years.

  • 12.29.2010 7:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: propheceit
Innocent! We by no means are an innocent race buddy.
well, we sure as hell didnt do anything to them!!!

Yeah but we poison the sacred ground we stand on much like rats.
Yeah, and the Covenant totally didn't destroy about 50 worlds biosphere, making the only life on it to be bacteria and that is if they are lucky with the only way complex oganisms would be able to thrive on them naturally would be to allow it to repair itself over the course of tens on millions of years.

But they looked cool while doing it :].

  • 12.29.2010 8:00 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Conversations from the Universe? Look it up. You should find that Elites were already starting to question the Prophets refusal for the humans to join The Covenant, and actually started to respect them as warriors with "limited, but useful technology" and excellent battle strategies.

~B2

  • 12.29.2010 8:46 PM PDT

all men are equal, except i am more equal than you because i am alive and you are dead

to add to your point B2 at the end og GoO the fleet master is descirbed looking at kurt as an equall and fellow warrior and even allowed him a few last word before he nuked them

(my memory is horendous though)

  • 12.30.2010 2:19 AM PDT

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