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Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: Terminus
-Slipspace
(Otherwise known as Hyperspace, Phase Space, Subspace, -insert cool word here-space)

One of the most used explanations for FTL travel. The idea that there exists a dimension or place outside of the universe in which the speed of light does not apply.

Scientific Grounding:
... Well there is none. This is the lightest and fluffiest of all FTL methods and as such I can't really think of any relevant theories that postulate that such a place would and could exist. So lets just say this is one that's up in the air (Really far in the air)

Difficulty:
As this is the cuddliest of all the FTL methods it can be one of the easiest to implement. Depending on how 'hard' (Moh's Scale) you want to make your universe seem it came be anywhere from a Do It Your Self project to Industrial level effort to turn one of these out.


Read the entire thread, perhaps you can find that Hyperspace has had a calculated energy requirement. Also, the point of this thread is not discussing existing theories, but your own ideas.

~B2


Eh I thought if people were going to be a talk about people's preferred method of FTL or their theory of FTL then I could throw out some of the most common if a couple people don't have a strong opinion.

Myself I think I prefer the quiet dignity of Slower Than Light Travel. I'm a fan of Generation ships.

  • 01.01.2011 12:11 AM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: Terminus
Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: Terminus
-Slipspace
(Otherwise known as Hyperspace, Phase Space, Subspace, -insert cool word here-space)

One of the most used explanations for FTL travel. The idea that there exists a dimension or place outside of the universe in which the speed of light does not apply.

Scientific Grounding:
... Well there is none. This is the lightest and fluffiest of all FTL methods and as such I can't really think of any relevant theories that postulate that such a place would and could exist. So lets just say this is one that's up in the air (Really far in the air)

Difficulty:
As this is the cuddliest of all the FTL methods it can be one of the easiest to implement. Depending on how 'hard' (Moh's Scale) you want to make your universe seem it came be anywhere from a Do It Your Self project to Industrial level effort to turn one of these out.


Read the entire thread, perhaps you can find that Hyperspace has had a calculated energy requirement. Also, the point of this thread is not discussing existing theories, but your own ideas.

~B2


Eh I thought if people were going to be a talk about people's preferred method of FTL or their theory of FTL then I could throw out some of the most common if a couple people don't have a strong opinion.

Myself I think I prefer the quiet dignity of Slower Than Light Travel. I'm a fan of Generation ships.


Bah, if theres a small fraction of speed below the speed of light, say a 5 lightyear trip taking 6. Then i'd be ok with it.

~B2

  • 01.01.2011 12:21 AM PDT
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As many people here have explained FTL travel in theory I will try to explain what would we need to make an FTL drive. I will use slip space as an example. This is just a theory and my knowledge of quantum physics isn't extremely high.

If there really are eleven dimensions and if slipspace really exists (NOTICE: Even if there are eleven dimension that doesn't mean slipspace exists.) we would need a particle accelerator as large or even bigger than LHC. (I assume that everyone here knows what it is.) The particle accelerator would rip those seven universes open for us too see them. In theory that would mean that we would be able to go to alternate dimension while still being in this universe.

How would it be possible to travel faster than light with those extra dimensions?
If we think a cube that is a three dimensional object then we think a hyper cube that is a four dimensional object. Now when we get to higher numbers of dimensions our cube doesn't look like a cube anymore. It looks more like a blob.

Now that you understand the difference between 3D and 11(or possibly even more)D we can think what happens when we lower the power level of our particle accelerator while we are part of that ultra multi dimensional space. Remember that eleven dimensional cube? It looked like a blob. Now it doesn't look like anything. Because we lowered the power of our particle accelerator our extra dimension imploded. You can think it as a paper that is being wrinkled. Parts of it that weren't close to each other may now be connected to each other.

Now if you're still with me comes the practical part. We already have a particle accelerator but we don't know how this actually works. There are two options:

A) We need a device that transfers the power of the particle accelerator straight in front of our ship into a powerful magnetic field. This way is much like it is done in Halo. A hole forms in front of the ship and the ship jumps.

B) The particle accelerator creates kind of a field around our ship. This would require extremely large amounts of energy as LHC for example may only be able to create microscopic ultra multi dimension fields. This could work if we had a device that is kind of an amplifier.

I don't know how we would be able to build that kind of machinery and how we could get them to work.

That theory may be completely wrong or it may be exactly how FTL travel is possible. We really can't know.

  • 01.01.2011 12:22 AM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: tsassi2
As many people here have explained FTL travel in theory I will try to explain what would we need to make an FTL drive. I will use slip space as an example. This is just a theory and my knowledge of quantum physics isn't extremely high.

If there really are eleven dimensions and if slipspace really exists (NOTICE: Even if there are eleven dimension that doesn't mean slipspace exists.) we would need a particle accelerator as large or even bigger than LHC. (I assume that everyone here knows what it is.) The particle accelerator would rip those seven universes open for us too see them. In theory that would mean that we would be able to go to alternate dimension while still being in this universe.

How would it be possible to travel faster than light with those extra dimensions?
If we think a cube that is a three dimensional object then we think a hyper cube that is a four dimensional object. Now when we get to higher numbers of dimensions our cube doesn't look like a cube anymore. It looks more like a blob.

Now that you understand the difference between 3D and 11(or possibly even more)D we can think what happens when we lower the power level of our particle accelerator while we are part of that ultra multi dimensional space. Remember that eleven dimensional cube? It looked like a blob. Now it doesn't look like anything. Because we lowered the power of our particle accelerator our extra dimension imploded. You can think it as a paper that is being wrinkled. Parts of it that weren't close to each other may now be connected to each other.

Now if you're still with me comes the practical part. We already have a particle accelerator but we don't know how this actually works. There are two options:

A) We need a device that transfers the power of the particle accelerator straight in front of our ship into a powerful magnetic field. This way is much like it is done in Halo. A hole forms in front of the ship and the ship jumps.

B) The particle accelerator creates kind of a field around our ship. This would require extremely large amounts of energy as LHC for example may only be able to create microscopic ultra multi dimension fields. This could work if we had a device that is kind of an amplifier.

I don't know how we would be able to build that kind of machinery and how we could get them to work.

That theory may be completely wrong or it may be exactly how FTL travel is possible. We really can't know.


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So close...but a hole wouldn't just form. Revise A and B. Your concept of the dimensions and the crumpled paper is semi-accurate though :)

~B2

  • 01.01.2011 12:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: tsassi2
As many people here have explained FTL travel in theory I will try to explain what would we need to make an FTL drive. I will use slip space as an example. This is just a theory and my knowledge of quantum physics isn't extremely high.

If there really are eleven dimensions and if slipspace really exists (NOTICE: Even if there are eleven dimension that doesn't mean slipspace exists.) we would need a particle accelerator as large or even bigger than LHC. (I assume that everyone here knows what it is.) The particle accelerator would rip those seven universes open for us too see them. In theory that would mean that we would be able to go to alternate dimension while still being in this universe.

How would it be possible to travel faster than light with those extra dimensions?
If we think a cube that is a three dimensional object then we think a hyper cube that is a four dimensional object. Now when we get to higher numbers of dimensions our cube doesn't look like a cube anymore. It looks more like a blob.

Now that you understand the difference between 3D and 11(or possibly even more)D we can think what happens when we lower the power level of our particle accelerator while we are part of that ultra multi dimensional space. Remember that eleven dimensional cube? It looked like a blob. Now it doesn't look like anything. Because we lowered the power of our particle accelerator our extra dimension imploded. You can think it as a paper that is being wrinkled. Parts of it that weren't close to each other may now be connected to each other.

Now if you're still with me comes the practical part. We already have a particle accelerator but we don't know how this actually works. There are two options:

A) We need a device that transfers the power of the particle accelerator straight in front of our ship into a powerful magnetic field. This way is much like it is done in Halo. A hole forms in front of the ship and the ship jumps.

B) The particle accelerator creates kind of a field around our ship. This would require extremely large amounts of energy as LHC for example may only be able to create microscopic ultra multi dimension fields. This could work if we had a device that is kind of an amplifier.

I don't know how we would be able to build that kind of machinery and how we could get them to work.

That theory may be completely wrong or it may be exactly how FTL travel is possible. We really can't know.


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So close...but a hole wouldn't just form. Revise A and B. Your concept of the dimensions and the crumpled paper is semi-accurate though :)

~B2

I knew I couldn't get some part right. A and B were only quick explanations because I wouldn't want to use an hour explaining it accurately and my knowledge isn't infinite. The paper part was to clarify. If you can give better explanation that still doesn't require you to be a physician to understand then be my guest.

But thank you for criticism. I didn't expect it to be perfect. :)

[Edited on 01.01.2011 12:49 AM PST]

  • 01.01.2011 12:48 AM PDT

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My life is dependant on proving the worlds greatest geniuses wrong!

  • 01.01.2011 6:18 AM PDT

"You dead yet? No? You will be!"

"How you like them pears? Guess what I mean by pears."

"I'm gonna rip off his partridge and kick him in the pear tree!"

I would create FTL by harnessing the power of human gas, then attach it to a ship and release the gas in one mighty blow.

  • 01.01.2011 8:23 AM PDT

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Hah, fart joke...

  • 01.01.2011 5:02 PM PDT

slap some butter on spaceships so they'll slip through space faster. ;P

  • 01.01.2011 5:16 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: tsassi2

Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: tsassi2
As many people here have explained FTL travel in theory I will try to explain what would we need to make an FTL drive. I will use slip space as an example. This is just a theory and my knowledge of quantum physics isn't extremely high.

If there really are eleven dimensions and if slipspace really exists (NOTICE: Even if there are eleven dimension that doesn't mean slipspace exists.) we would need a particle accelerator as large or even bigger than LHC. (I assume that everyone here knows what it is.) The particle accelerator would rip those seven universes open for us too see them. In theory that would mean that we would be able to go to alternate dimension while still being in this universe.

How would it be possible to travel faster than light with those extra dimensions?
If we think a cube that is a three dimensional object then we think a hyper cube that is a four dimensional object. Now when we get to higher numbers of dimensions our cube doesn't look like a cube anymore. It looks more like a blob.

Now that you understand the difference between 3D and 11(or possibly even more)D we can think what happens when we lower the power level of our particle accelerator while we are part of that ultra multi dimensional space. Remember that eleven dimensional cube? It looked like a blob. Now it doesn't look like anything. Because we lowered the power of our particle accelerator our extra dimension imploded. You can think it as a paper that is being wrinkled. Parts of it that weren't close to each other may now be connected to each other.

Now if you're still with me comes the practical part. We already have a particle accelerator but we don't know how this actually works. There are two options:

A) We need a device that transfers the power of the particle accelerator straight in front of our ship into a powerful magnetic field. This way is much like it is done in Halo. A hole forms in front of the ship and the ship jumps.

B) The particle accelerator creates kind of a field around our ship. This would require extremely large amounts of energy as LHC for example may only be able to create microscopic ultra multi dimension fields. This could work if we had a device that is kind of an amplifier.

I don't know how we would be able to build that kind of machinery and how we could get them to work.

That theory may be completely wrong or it may be exactly how FTL travel is possible. We really can't know.


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So close...but a hole wouldn't just form. Revise A and B. Your concept of the dimensions and the crumpled paper is semi-accurate though :)

~B2

I knew I couldn't get some part right. A and B were only quick explanations because I wouldn't want to use an hour explaining it accurately and my knowledge isn't infinite. The paper part was to clarify. If you can give better explanation that still doesn't require you to be a physician to understand then be my guest.

But thank you for criticism. I didn't expect it to be perfect. :)


Haha, not criticising, just revising :P. With A, you are correct the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Drive contains a sort of accelerator. However by magnetism, thats not the full case. The Drive, as I imagine it, does produce a sort of hole, but is rather extremely cunning. The Drive uses Highly Powered cyclic generators via magnetic acceleration in a field to generate thousands or even millions of microscopic black-holes. Now, because they are microscopic, their lifetimes will be extremely small due to something called Hawking Radiation, or the result of the black hole taking in negative mass, to which it shrinks, and eventually explodes as a burst of energy. Within that nanosecond of the black holes existing, the machine "manipulates" the black holes and literally rips a path from normal, Minkowski Space, to a higher, 11-D space called the Slipstream. This is actually one of the most logical ways for FTL to be plausible, as Black Holes, due to super-st...nevermind. You still follow me, right? xD.

With B, If you had an 11-D object in space, such as this polygon, that object = nothing, as it is in its natural space. I deduce that magnetic fields would indeed be, alongside with sufficient propellant, powerful enough to push a ship through the Slipstream without damaging effects due to the ships unnatural 3-Dness in an 11-D universe. of course, this is all theoretical. Just remember than in a parallel plane of existence (11-D), (c) is an undefined value, and therefore, we aren't breaking the 11-D speed of light, holding the Theory of Relativity true. Neither are we violating it in 3-D space, as well...we are not in 3-D space. Therefore, everyone wins.

Sciency Crap:
To be specific, black holes are known to be a possible subject for creating wormholes that can be crossed, with the Kerr Metric as a back bone.

~B2

  • 01.01.2011 6:28 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Wouldn't all these methods still violate causality though? How would we get around that?

  • 01.01.2011 7:00 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: anton1792
Wouldn't all these methods still violate causality though? How would we get around that?


The relationship between one event and another, or cause/effect? my method doesn't.

~B2

  • 01.01.2011 7:19 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: anton1792
Wouldn't all these methods still violate causality though? How would we get around that?


The relationship between one event and another, or cause/effect? my method doesn't.

~B2

Cause/effect.

I am not that high up in physics knowledge yet, so I might be getting this slightly off. Anyway, from what I understand, we are keeping Relativity and going with FTL, so causality is left out. Some people believe that the universe may have failsafes to prevent anything that could lead to these violations. Hawkins Chronology Protection Conjecture I think it is called, in which he says quantum Gravitational effects could destabilise any wormholes or other methods of producing an FTL pathway.

They do not know for sure because a theory of Quantum Gravity does not exist yet. String Theory apparently hints at certain things that could support the Protection conjecture though.

  • 01.01.2011 7:35 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: anton1792
Wouldn't all these methods still violate causality though? How would we get around that?


The relationship between one event and another, or cause/effect? my method doesn't.

~B2

Cause/effect.

I am not that high up in physics knowledge yet, so I might be getting this slightly off. Anyway, from what I understand, we are keeping Relativity and going with FTL, so causality is left out. Some people believe that the universe may have failsafes to prevent anything that could lead to these violations. Hawkins Chronology Protection Conjecture I think it is called, in which he says quantum Gravitational effects could destabilise any wormholes or other methods of producing an FTL pathway.

They do not know for sure because a theory of Quantum Gravity does not exist yet. String Theory apparently hints at certain things that could support the Protection conjecture though.


And yet causality is not affected in my post. Read closely, The speed of light (c) is different in a higher dimension, therefore c than therefore be higher (or lower) in that dimensional space, therefore we do not breach relativity as we are below the speed of light in that plane, nor are we breaking it in 3-D as we are in that parallel plane. Once you leave the plane, you'll simply snap back below Minkowski (c).

~B2

  • 01.01.2011 7:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: anton1792
Wouldn't all these methods still violate causality though? How would we get around that?


The relationship between one event and another, or cause/effect? my method doesn't.

~B2

Cause/effect.

I am not that high up in physics knowledge yet, so I might be getting this slightly off. Anyway, from what I understand, we are keeping Relativity and going with FTL, so causality is left out. Some people believe that the universe may have failsafes to prevent anything that could lead to these violations. Hawkins Chronology Protection Conjecture I think it is called, in which he says quantum Gravitational effects could destabilise any wormholes or other methods of producing an FTL pathway.

They do not know for sure because a theory of Quantum Gravity does not exist yet. String Theory apparently hints at certain things that could support the Protection conjecture though.


And yet causality is not affected in my post. Read closely, The speed of light (c) is different in a higher dimension, therefore c than therefore be higher (or lower) in that dimensional space, therefore we do not breach relativity as we are below the speed of light in that plane, nor are we breaking it in 3-D as we are in that parallel plane. Once you leave the plane, you'll simply snap back below Minkowski (c).

~B2


I'm not sure how that solves the causality problem. It still seems possible to construct situations that result in paradoxes, just as with most other FTL methods. It doesn't matter that you're not actually traveling faster than c in our normal space.

What's to stop someone from making a trip to Epsilon Eridani from Earth, accelerating to the right frame of reference, going FTL, then arriving back at earth before they left?

[Edited on 01.01.2011 8:21 PM PST]

  • 01.01.2011 8:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: opogjijijp
I'm not sure how that solves the causality problem. It still seems possible to construct situations that result in paradoxes, just as with most other FTL methods. It doesn't matter that you're not actually traveling faster than c in our normal space.

What's to stop someone from making a trip to Epsilon Eridani from Earth, accelerating to the right frame of reference, going FTL, then arriving back at earth before they left?

Doesn't my method solve this? Even though you're traveling in a "gap dimension" and using a warp drive in that dimension to boot, the actual amount of "time" that you're receiving, the bleed effect from the fourth dimension, is stronger. I haven't decided my T1 value yet, but I'm going to construct it so that always--always--it will be impossible to enter that dimension and then exit it before you entered it in the first place. I think it might be the answer.

  • 01.01.2011 8:34 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: anton1792
Wouldn't all these methods still violate causality though? How would we get around that?


The relationship between one event and another, or cause/effect? my method doesn't.

~B2

Cause/effect.

I am not that high up in physics knowledge yet, so I might be getting this slightly off. Anyway, from what I understand, we are keeping Relativity and going with FTL, so causality is left out. Some people believe that the universe may have failsafes to prevent anything that could lead to these violations. Hawkins Chronology Protection Conjecture I think it is called, in which he says quantum Gravitational effects could destabilise any wormholes or other methods of producing an FTL pathway.

They do not know for sure because a theory of Quantum Gravity does not exist yet. String Theory apparently hints at certain things that could support the Protection conjecture though.


And yet causality is not affected in my post. Read closely, The speed of light (c) is different in a higher dimension, therefore c than therefore be higher (or lower) in that dimensional space, therefore we do not breach relativity as we are below the speed of light in that plane, nor are we breaking it in 3-D as we are in that parallel plane. Once you leave the plane, you'll simply snap back below Minkowski (c).

~B2


I'm not sure how that solves the causality problem. It still seems possible to construct situations that result in paradoxes, just as with most other FTL methods. It doesn't matter that you're not actually traveling faster than c in our normal space.

What's to stop someone from making a trip to Epsilon Eridani from Earth, accelerating to the right frame of reference, going FTL, then arriving back at earth before they left?

Because (t) is not affected in 3-D space. Because of its parallel location, time will continue moving forward, although the only effect of going at super-luminal speeds would be that if you go to Epsilon Eridani and come back, all within 2 years, people on earth wouldve aged 4 or so. Time is not affected, and it is virtually impossible for it top be affected via my equations.

~B2

  • 01.01.2011 11:11 PM PDT

""We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up and ruthlessly destroyed. And our answer is at hand."

There are multiple ways.

Wormhole Travel

Warp Drive Field (Create a field around the ship and travel faster than FTL)

Teleportation involving Quantum Entanglement (As of now, the best way to send information faster than light speed)

  • 01.01.2011 11:14 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: Lord Snakie
[quote]Posted by: opogjijijp
I'm not sure how that solves the causality problem. It still seems possible to construct situations that result in paradoxes, just as with most other FTL methods. It doesn't matter that you're not actually traveling faster than c in our normal space.

What's to stop someone from making a trip to Epsilon Eridani from Earth, accelerating to the right frame of reference, going FTL, then arriving back at earth before they left?

Doesn't my method solve this? Even though you're traveling in a "gap dimension" and using a warp drive in that dimension to boot, the actual amount of "time" that you're receiving, the bleed effect from the fourth dimension, is stronger. I haven't decided my T1 value yet, but I'm going to construct it so that always--always--it will be impossible to enter that dimension and then exit it before you entered it in the first place. I think it might be the aId say both our methods are plausible. By how you say warp, our main difference is that my frigate would be just slower than the speed of light constant in the 11-D space, in which c is exponentially higher than 3x10^8 in 3D space, while you are talking about gap dimensions with warp drives.

~B2

  • 01.01.2011 11:14 PM PDT

While i don't have expertise in physics but i have one question about higher dimensions, do we even know that something we create say a spaceship with a FTL drive that can enter said dimension with passengers and be alright at the end of the journy, how will it declerate once left the higher dimension?

  • 01.02.2011 5:38 AM PDT

An assassin will always carry on, even after death.

My understanding of lightspeed is this:

Example: you are traveling close to lightspeed, and you are traveling a distance of 4ly.

So it should take you four years to get to your intended destination right? Wrong. In reality yes, however to you it seems like just four minutes.

Reason: You are traveling so fast, time itself slows down drastically. Even walking at a normal speed slows down time, however by so little no one will ever notice.

Traveling fast = more mass, more mass = time slowed down for you.

So no, I see no need for Faster than light travel.

Now all you have to do is get around the fact that if, lets say you have a child, leave him on Earth and go off on a huge journey of, lets say 20ly, then when you get back, he will appear older than you.

[Edited on 01.02.2011 6:32 AM PST]

  • 01.02.2011 6:28 AM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: Skulblaka
My understanding of lightspeed is this:

Example: you are traveling close to lightspeed, and you are traveling a distance of 4ly.

So it should take you four years to get to your intended destination right? Wrong. In reality yes, however to you it seems like just four minutes.

Reason: You are traveling so fast, time itself slows down drastically. Even walking at a normal speed slows down time, however by so little no one will ever notice.

Traveling fast = more mass, more mass = time slowed down for you.

So no, I see no need for Faster than light travel.

Now all you have to do is get around the fact that if, lets say you have a child, leave him on Earth and go off on a huge journey of, lets say 20ly, then when you get back, he will appear older than you.


Yes...the conundrum of time dilation. But hey, take your family on a 100ly trip with your calculations and come back with only 200 minutes passing to you, Happy 200+ th!

~B2

  • 01.02.2011 9:30 PM PDT

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A true slower than light civilization would likely be a posthuman one.

  • 01.02.2011 9:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bungie2
Haha, not criticising, just revising :P. With A, you are correct the Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Drive contains a sort of accelerator. However by magnetism, thats not the full case. The Drive, as I imagine it, does produce a sort of hole, but is rather extremely cunning. The Drive uses Highly Powered cyclic generators via magnetic acceleration in a field to generate thousands or even millions of microscopic black-holes. Now, because they are microscopic, their lifetimes will be extremely small due to something called Hawking Radiation, or the result of the black hole taking in negative mass, to which it shrinks, and eventually explodes as a burst of energy. Within that nanosecond of the black holes existing, the machine "manipulates" the black holes and literally rips a path from normal, Minkowski Space, to a higher, 11-D space called the Slipstream. This is actually one of the most logical ways for FTL to be plausible, as Black Holes, due to super-st...nevermind. You still follow me, right? xD.

With B, If you had an 11-D object in space, such as this polygon, that object = nothing, as it is in its natural space. I deduce that magnetic fields would indeed be, alongside with sufficient propellant, powerful enough to push a ship through the Slipstream without damaging effects due to the ships unnatural 3-Dness in an 11-D universe. of course, this is all theoretical. Just remember than in a parallel plane of existence (11-D), (c) is an undefined value, and therefore, we aren't breaking the 11-D speed of light, holding the Theory of Relativity true. Neither are we violating it in 3-D space, as well...we are not in 3-D space. Therefore, everyone wins.

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To be specific, black holes are known to be a possible subject for creating wormholes that can be crossed, with the Kerr Metric as a back bone.

~B2

I remember that Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Drives jump into slipspace by forming trillions of microscopic black holes. However, I was trying to give an alternate method to jump into slipspace.

With B I was thinking Slipspace pods from Ghosts of Onyx. If I'm correct they were slipspace bubbles in normal space. As we have only seen them by Forerunners I believe it would need too much energy.

You probably know about the theory that our universe may contain those seven missing dimensions. They're just imploded. My theory is that when you take a 11 dimensional object and crease it. It breaks into pieces and that's why slipspace is so random and you can't shoot in it without causing too much danger to yourself. Again I can give an example of a paper. Slipspace is when impoded more like a paper that has been ripped apart, sunk to water then shaped to a ball. That's why the 11D object doesn't look like anything when you collapse the slipspace bubble to a lower power level. It simply breaks. Of course it's totally different if you don't have a slipspace bubble in normal space.

That may not sound very intelligent because I am in bit of a hurry and didn't have time to explain. I hope you understood what I tried to say.

  • 01.03.2011 3:51 AM PDT

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I'd think it would be able if we leave these three dimensions we currently reside in. If we'd be able to get into a higher dimension, it would be possible. To get there you'd need to inform that every particle of matter in OUr dimensions are practically in another dimension.

Slipspace tech works on breaking into the other dimensions. In these dimensions flat 3d space is crumpled to a tiny ball. This makes the space smaller and has no effect on the speed whatsoever


Posted by: Backfjre
Someone could also post what the Mass Effect drive cores do, I'm sure Bioware has a very detailed description of how those work somewhere.

Mass relays function on an Eezo core(element Zero). When eezo is subjected to a positive voltage it creates a mass effect field whitch makes the mass smaller. This enables FTL travel. The Mass Realys have instantanueos travel.

  • 01.03.2011 9:29 AM PDT