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Subject: New York City in The Halo Universe
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In 2552, Africa is super-urbanized, as we see from New Alexandria an other cities. So I have one question:

Do already-modern cities like New York reach a plateau and stop advancing while other cities catch up to them, or do they advance equally and become mega-cities more built up than anything we can imagine today and even more built up than cities like New Alexandria?

  • 12.31.2010 11:34 AM PDT

I would guess logically that, since NYC already uses up jsut about all the space it can get, it won't be able to grow much except up. If it grows, it'll become the tallest city in the world. I doubt that they would place new bulding in place of the iconic ones like the Empire State Building though. So it'll probably be old and new together.

  • 12.31.2010 11:48 AM PDT

I think that's one of the main flaws in Halo 2 and Halo 3, the brief fight against the Covenant on Earth.

Now, I have nothing against Bungie deciding that the main fight would be in Africa, but how about more fights, maybe using different characters, or Master Chief having a longer stay and fighting in different countries? That would be pretty awesome.

I believe they advance equally, so New York City must be a mega-city during the events of Halo 2.

  • 12.31.2010 11:48 AM PDT

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  • 12.31.2010 11:59 AM PDT

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Well mombasa in the Halo universe i think was the first city to get an orbital elevator, which made it Earths center for offworld shipping.

But NYC has got to be huge, same with other metropolises.

  • 12.31.2010 12:00 PM PDT

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According to contact harvest, Chicago spans three states. We can assume that New York City is the same way, the city expands into more states.

  • 12.31.2010 12:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
According to contact harvest, Chicago spans three states. We can assume that New York City is the same way, the city expands into more states.


I see...

I have to get to reading Contact Harvest and Ghosts of Onyx.

  • 12.31.2010 2:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Goalie Master 8
Posted by: privet caboose
According to contact harvest, Chicago spans three states. We can assume that New York City is the same way, the city expands into more states.


I see...

I have to get to reading Contact Harvest and Ghosts of Onyx.


Hmm... Maybe NYC expands into the Ocean artificially? I don't think that all the preservationists would want the city moving into New York State and ruining nature. I guess it could expand inwards.

but if this is how much our major cities grow by then, what happens to the smaller cities like Harrisburg and the other state capitols?

  • 12.31.2010 2:43 PM PDT

Why would it have to? Bridges connect it to the mainland along with various islands, and if Chicago can grow to the point where it has spread out over the territory of three defunct states, why can't New York spread inland and take over territory?

How is this hard?

  • 12.31.2010 3:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Goalie Master 8
Posted by: privet caboose
According to contact harvest, Chicago spans three states. We can assume that New York City is the same way, the city expands into more states.


I see...

I have to get to reading Contact Harvest and Ghosts of Onyx.


Hmm... Maybe NYC expands into the Ocean artificially? I don't think that all the preservationists would want the city moving into New York State and ruining nature. I guess it could expand inwards.

but if this is how much our major cities grow by then, what happens to the smaller cities like Harrisburg and the other state capitols?
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OT: I think it would be like Futurama. New New York.

  • 12.31.2010 3:16 PM PDT


Posted by: forthnback
Why would it have to? Bridges connect it to the mainland along with various islands, and if Chicago can grow to the point where it has spread out over the territory of three defunct states, why can't New York spread inland and take over territory?

How is this hard?


The dang hippies won't let us "destroy nature" or whatever reason they say

  • 12.31.2010 7:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Gruntpocalypto

Posted by: forthnback
Why would it have to? Bridges connect it to the mainland along with various islands, and if Chicago can grow to the point where it has spread out over the territory of three defunct states, why can't New York spread inland and take over territory?

How is this hard?


The dang hippies won't let us "destroy nature" or whatever reason they say


Lets not forget that the immediate area is already mostly urbanized. I don't know what the area around Chicago is like, but NJ is the most densely populated state in the US. Come up any of the highways, I recommend Route 3, and see how you have shopping centers and such for a good hour before you even reach the Lincoln Tunnel.

It would be unreasonable to establish a foothold outside of New York, at least where I am. What point would a few buildings on the other side of the GWB or the Lincoln have in calling themselves part of NYC? Can you imagine the commute for someone who lives in the city to pay the tolls to go to and from work within the same city?

IE, no reason or ability to expand NYC outwards when the 'gates' are solidly in place and the area outside is already city.

  • 01.01.2011 7:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Juan Teran
I think that's one of the main flaws in Halo 2 and Halo 3, the brief fight against the Covenant on Earth.

Now, I have nothing against Bungie deciding that the main fight would be in Africa, but how about more fights, maybe using different characters, or Master Chief having a longer stay and fighting in different countries? That would be pretty awesome.

I believe they advance equally, so New York City must be a mega-city during the events of Halo 2.


Chicago has become a huge industrial zone so probably New York is a mega city during Halo.

  • 01.01.2011 7:49 AM PDT
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I thought it would also rise in height a lot.

  • 01.01.2011 7:33 PM PDT

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I bet it died and became a ghost city slowly becoming reclaimed by rust and vegetation as it is stripped for materials. This caused by when it grew too large before efficiency in agriculture and industry revolutionized again thus causing it to collapse in on itself during a depression and kill the system the city run on.

Coolest interpretation in my opinion.

  • 01.01.2011 8:02 PM PDT

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I'm just trowing this out there, but in the novles i remember them saying stuff about moving citys and things like that. I would be willing to guess that afyer the first outer rim colonies were populated they moved NYC and other major citys to make room for more. I know that sounds kinda far fetched but it's still a possability.

  • 01.01.2011 8:03 PM PDT
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I watched a TV special on NYC. It said that it would be hard to renovate the city's underground workings because it would cut off water mains and electricity to most of the city since the pipes and tunnels are so old. This would make it hard for NYC to expand because there already isn't much room underneath NYC to put more lines and pipes in.

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  • 01.01.2011 8:11 PM PDT

This topic makes me tremble with nerdrage.

Lets not forget that the immediate area is already mostly urbanized. I don't know what the area around Chicago is like, but NJ is the most densely populated state in the US. Come up any of the highways, I recommend Route 3, and see how you have shopping centers and such for a good hour before you even reach the Lincoln Tunnel.

It would be unreasonable to establish a foothold outside of New York, at least where I am. What point would a few buildings on the other side of the GWB or the Lincoln have in calling themselves part of NYC? Can you imagine the commute for someone who lives in the city to pay the tolls to go to and from work within the same city?

IE, no reason or ability to expand NYC outwards when the 'gates' are solidly in place and the area outside is already city.


I'm from Queens, I'm pretty familiar. I promise you that Chicago took over plenty of urbanized areas. Know why? Because it spread, the single city, over three ****ing entire states. Each of which have capital cities, and sprawling urbanized areas. Three whole states.

But don't worry guys, somehow the crap outside of NYC can't be knocked over or rebuilt. The USA certainly doesn't have laws where the state can evict you to lay in a highway, or anything like that. Wait, we do.

However Chicago took over 3 states, I'm certain New York could. If we can build FTL drives, augment soldiers with metal bones, terraform planets to the point where they are liveable within a single generation, and create shoulder mounted lasers....I'm pretty sure your concerns about plumbing and pre-existing buildings is a moot god-damned point.

If you don't find that realistic, despite Chicago having done it (and ignoring the second Civil War which shattered America), then you shouldnt be playing a game where you fight armored space dinosaurs that shoot lasers.

  • 01.01.2011 10:54 PM PDT

Posted by: forthnback

I'm from Queens, I'm pretty familiar. I promise you that Chicago took over plenty of urbanized areas. Know why? Because it spread, the single city, over three ****ing entire states. Each of which have capital cities, and sprawling urbanized areas. Three whole states.

But don't worry guys, somehow the crap outside of NYC can't be knocked over or rebuilt. The USA certainly doesn't have laws where the state can evict you to lay in a highway, or anything like that. Wait, we do.

However Chicago took over 3 states, I'm certain New York could. If we can build FTL drives, augment soldiers with metal bones, terraform planets to the point where they are liveable within a single generation, and create shoulder mounted lasers....I'm pretty sure your concerns about plumbing and pre-existing buildings is a moot god-damned point.

If you don't find that realistic, despite Chicago having done it (and ignoring the second Civil War which shattered America), then you shouldnt be playing a game where you fight armored space dinosaurs that shoot lasers.


I am not saying they couldn't, merely that there would be little incentive and it would be significantly more difficult.

Indiana: 6.5 Million
Wisconsin: 5.6 Million
Missouri: 5.6 Million
Iowa: 3 Million

New Jersey: 8.7 Million
Pennsylvania: 12.6 Million
Rhode Island: 1 Million

Sure, I could definitely see Rhode Island and the greater New York State being thrown under a bus, but when the population of two of New York's neighbors is greater than four of of Illinois' neighbors (combined), your argument seems to weaken a little.

Not every city could have/would have expanded like Chicago. States adjoining Illinois are generally less densely populated and "built up" than those near New York. Nerdrage all you want, it doesn't make you right.

P.S. I apologize for the delayed response. More important things to do, and all of that.

  • 01.12.2011 5:56 AM PDT
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I could only imagine that they would keep building as well.

  • 01.12.2011 5:57 AM PDT

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Well, in Contact Harvest, Chicago is described as a massive urban sprawl covering much of Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana.

I imagine NYC would have spread out in much the same way, spreading to cover much of New York New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. Possible even merging with Philadelphia and Pittsburg to become a giant megalopolis.

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  • 01.12.2011 6:03 AM PDT

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It would have turned into a mega city just like Chicago.

  • 01.12.2011 6:27 AM PDT

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Actually, that area of the country (from Washington D.C. to New Hampshire) is already considered a megalopolis.

There isn't really much room for NYC to grow out and judging by the vague economic details we get out of Halo (orbital elevators around the equator being uberimportant) I don't think it's necessary for NYC to have grown all that much. The reason New Mombassa and Quito have grown into Manhatteny cities is the orbital lifts; New York wouldn't have that.

Look at it like Central Florida: Pretty much everything from Ocala to Sarasota is part of the "Tampa Bay Area" and in like 20 years it'll be a built up mass of urban sprawl but the individual cities/towns/counties are still independant. The modern North East already has that.

I imagine the Chicago Industrial Zone and Future York will work much the same way; they may be part of the CIN, but will places like Madison or Indianapolis or Tri-Cities just stop existing? More likely they'd just become subdivisions of the larger whole. Sort of the like the EU only on a smaller scale.

So do I think NYC becomes Mega City One? No. But, will the smaller cities grow up and fill in the gaps surrounding each other? I'd think so.

  • 01.12.2011 6:49 AM PDT

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I bet it didn't expand, but it did upgrade. Like, many parts of the city is crap. There's litter everywhere and it just doesn't look nice. I was at Little Italy and that was very disappointing. Therefore, I predict it upgraded all those things (i.e. No trash, better housing/buildings, more technology present, etc.)

[Edited on 01.12.2011 6:50 AM PST]

  • 01.12.2011 6:50 AM PDT

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I imagine NYC would have spread out in much the same way, spreading to cover much of New York New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. Possible even merging with Philadelphia and Pittsburg to become a giant megalopolis.


See, thats a reasonable theory. Not *zomg, NYC Requisitioned EVERYTHING!!!111!*

Merging? Sure. But moving from and island to conduct total war an all neighbors?

  • 01.12.2011 6:54 AM PDT

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