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Does anyone know what happens to the Spartan after the war? I am pretty sure that some Spartans lived.

  • 01.02.2011 1:08 PM PDT

No they all died.

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.

  • 01.02.2011 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
No they all died.

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.


yeah. Reach basically says the events of Fall of Reach never happened. Also, Reach kind of screwed up Ghosts of Onyx too because isn't Halsey supposed to be in Onyx with the Spartans?

But anyway, Spartans (if there were any left) would probably be used for incredibly high threat and high priority missions for the UNSC as they were before they were fully trained and sent into the war.

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Like Drowsy Demon said, yea some were left trapped in the Shield World on Onyx but they all died except for John 11(master Chief) who is floating, in the middle of no where, to some type of Forerunner planet

  • 01.02.2011 3:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
No they all died.

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.


yeah. Reach basically says the events of Fall of Reach never happened. Also, Reach kind of screwed up Ghosts of Onyx too because isn't Halsey supposed to be in Onyx with the Spartans?

But anyway, Spartans (if there were any left) would probably be used for incredibly high threat and high priority missions for the UNSC as they were before they were fully trained and sent into the war.

Reach didn't say that Nylund's books never happened. They just changed some dates around. Halsey went to Castle with Jun as Noble 6 made sure the PoA got off Reach safely. She stayed there until Red Team picked her found her, and stayed at Castle while the Covenant were glassing the planet. After John came back from Halo, they were picked up and before the Spartans could launch their first strike, Halsey took Kelly to Onyx, hoping to preserve at least one of them, and hoping to find out more about the mysterious file labeled SIII in Ackerson's computer. It all fits.

  • 01.02.2011 3:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
No they all died.

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.


yeah. Reach basically says the events of Fall of Reach never happened. Also, Reach kind of screwed up Ghosts of Onyx too because isn't Halsey supposed to be in Onyx with the Spartans?

But anyway, Spartans (if there were any left) would probably be used for incredibly high threat and high priority missions for the UNSC as they were before they were fully trained and sent into the war.
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Posted by: Master Penguin5
Posted by: Drowsy Demon
No they all died.

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.


yeah. Reach basically says the events of Fall of Reach never happened. Also, Reach kind of screwed up Ghosts of Onyx too because isn't Halsey supposed to be in Onyx with the Spartans?

But anyway, Spartans (if there were any left) would probably be used for incredibly high threat and high priority missions for the UNSC as they were before they were fully trained and sent into the war.
Yeah, it actually says exactly that, since Bungie has stated that games over-rule all other canon. I personally see a mix of game and book as canon.

  • 01.02.2011 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
No they all died.


No, there are roughly 350 Spartans still alive (Gamma Company, Black Team, Red Team, Blue Team, Grey Team etc).

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.

Er... 343 have about 6 novels planned to be written by Greg Bear and Karen Traviss exploring the Halo universe before and after the war delving deep into the history of the Forerunners. There is no way they're going to be dumping the story of the books when they're intent on continuing the story through books.

  • 01.02.2011 3:35 PM PDT

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Some Spartan's remain alive, but their ultimate fate is unknown. They were probably deployed to help the Elite's with whatever was left of the Brutes.

  • 01.02.2011 3:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
No they all died.


No, there are roughly 350 Spartans still alive (Gamma Company, Black Team, Red Team, Blue Team, Grey Team etc).

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.

Er... 343 have about 6 novels planned to be written by Greg Bear and Karen Traviss exploring the Halo universe before and after the war delving deep into the history of the Forerunners. There is no way they're going to be dumping the story of the books when they're intent on continuing the story through books.


No there might have been 350 Spartans alive at the start but all of them are dead except for the ones stranded on Onyx. I mean, seriously, in Halo 3 do we see 350 Spartans walking around? Hell no, they all got killed, or, as ONI likes to put it, became "Missing in Action." As soon as each Spartan was ready the UNSC sent them into the field. Also, I think the 350 number is what you get after you combine both the Spartan 2 and Spartan 3 programs headed under Doc. Halsey and Ackerson, respectively.

And while I'm fully aware that all those new shiny and nice Halo novels are coming out soon...well, 343 industries hinted they'd do a Halo 4 and that's probably going to screw up Karen Traviss's work completely, since she is focusing on post-Halo 3 stories.

There's a bunch of inconsistancies with the Reach game and the book, but I don't want to point out every little tidbit that was changed.

*Cough* Like how the Pillar of Autumn was in a completely different place in-game compared to the book *cough*

*Cough* Like how there were absolutely no MAC platforms at all defending Reach *cough*

  • 01.02.2011 5:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
No they all died.


No, there are roughly 350 Spartans still alive (Gamma Company, Black Team, Red Team, Blue Team, Grey Team etc).

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.

Er... 343 have about 6 novels planned to be written by Greg Bear and Karen Traviss exploring the Halo universe before and after the war delving deep into the history of the Forerunners. There is no way they're going to be dumping the story of the books when they're intent on continuing the story through books.


No there might have been 350 Spartans alive at the start but all of them are dead except for the ones stranded on Onyx. I mean, seriously, in Halo 3 do we see 350 Spartans walking around? Hell no, they all got killed, or, as ONI likes to put it, became "Missing in Action." As soon as each Spartan was ready the UNSC sent them into the field. Also, I think the 350 number is what you get after you combine both the Spartan 2 and Spartan 3 programs headed under Doc. Halsey and Ackerson, respectively.

And while I'm fully aware that all those new shiny and nice Halo novels are coming out soon...well, 343 industries hinted they'd do a Halo 4 and that's probably going to screw up Karen Traviss's work completely, since she is focusing on post-Halo 3 stories.

There's a bunch of inconsistancies with the Reach game and the book, but I don't want to point out every little tidbit that was changed.

*Cough* Like how the Pillar of Autumn was in a completely different place in-game compared to the book *cough*

*Cough* Like how there were absolutely no MAC platforms at all defending Reach *cough*

just because you dont see the remaining spartains doesnt mean there all dead, just deployed somewhere else. Reach only breacks Nylunds canon where the two contradict. Most of Fall of Reach still applies

  • 01.02.2011 5:28 PM PDT

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  • 01.02.2011 5:42 PM PDT

Posted by: AngrydoG
Kat mentions the Platforms.


Really?

I don't remember.

I think Auntie Dot did in the beginning of TOTS when she says: "We are under attack across the Vietry territory including orbital defenses" or lines to that effect, but I just find it hilarious that on Long Night of Solace you can go anywhere and there isn't a platform in sight for miles in any direction.

And at the end of TOTS I think it's just complete bull-blam!- that the Covenant SuperCarrier that uncloaked as soon as the Spire went down wasn't immediately one-shotted by a MAC Orbital Defense Platform.



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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
No they all died.

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.


yeah. Reach basically says the events of Fall of Reach never happened. Also, Reach kind of screwed up Ghosts of Onyx too because isn't Halsey supposed to be in Onyx with the Spartans?

But anyway, Spartans (if there were any left) would probably be used for incredibly high threat and high priority missions for the UNSC as they were before they were fully trained and sent into the war.


Reading Halsey's journal=Canon fixed.

I'm pretty sure all the Spartan 2's are either in the Shield World or in that lonely frigate at the Legendary Planet.

  • 01.02.2011 5:50 PM PDT

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FYI to those ignorant to the actual time line.

GoO take place about 3-4 months after the events of reach.

[Edited on 01.02.2011 5:53 PM PST]

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Posted by: AngrydoG
Kat mentions the Platforms.


Really?

I don't remember.

I think Auntie Dot did in the beginning of TOTS when she says: "We are under attack across the Vietry territory including orbital defenses" or lines to that effect, but I just find it hilarious that on Long Night of Solace you can go anywhere and there isn't a platform in sight for miles in any direction.

And at the end of TOTS I think it's just complete bull-blam!- that the Covenant SuperCarrier that uncloaked as soon as the Spire went down wasn't immediately one-shotted by a MAC Orbital Defense Platform.
You do realise, there's only 20 Orbital MACS above Reach? And, they were under attack?

Not only are they spread thinly, but the remaining ones are probably in very inconvenient locations and/or disabled.

  • 01.02.2011 7:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
No they all died.

Some lived and got stranded in the Onyx Shield World or something but that's only if you read the books and accept it as canon before 343 Industries/Bungie makes another game and goes "oh lol no that never happened" like they did with Reach.

Wow. My head hurts after reading this post.

  • 01.02.2011 7:32 PM PDT

Posted by: ZedFish
You do realise, there's only 20 Orbital MACS above Reach? And, they were under attack?

Not only are they spread thinly, but the remaining ones are probably in very inconvenient locations and/or disabled.


In the ending cutscene of Long Night of Solace, Auntie Dot says something like "Multiple Covenant signatures warping in below the orbital defense grid".

Since the Orbital Cannons are obviously not going to be pointing in towards the planet, they're basically rendered useless when the Covenant fleet appears below them.

  • 01.02.2011 7:36 PM PDT

So much ****ing ignorance in this topic.

1. The books are all still perfectly valid, the only thing that changes are two facts. The timeline of how long Reach falls in, and the Pillar now docks at the planet. Reading the journal shows -everything- meshes. Perfectly.

2. There easily could be more Spartan alive. We know what happens to the first class of S2's. We do not know what happens with the revived/repaired "washouts" of the first class, but Halsey had them all frozen and ONI planned to thaw them and get them back in the field.

We have the second class of S2's, activated in 2537 of an unknown size. We have the unknown quantity of Alpha and Beta S3's extracted and active, like Noble Team. They do mention two other Spartan teams, Gauntlet and Echo.

We also have 315 Gamma S3's deployed in late October to locations unknown. Granted, they are raw 13-14 year old Spartan newbs.....as far as Spartans can be newbs. After all, John at 14 owned 4 ODST in hand to hand combat, accidently killing 3 of them.

Halsey's journal even mentions that the lie of all Spartan available being at Reach could come back and bite them. There are likely many survivors. Anyways, all this excludes the Onyx survivors and John at Legendary Planet.

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You do realise, there's only 20 Orbital MACS above Reach? And, they were under attack?

Not only are they spread thinly, but the remaining ones are probably in very inconvenient locations and/or disabled.
In the ending cutscene of Long Night of Solace, Auntie Dot says something like "Multiple Covenant signatures warping in below the orbital defense grid".

Since the Orbital Cannons are obviously not going to be pointing in towards the planet, they're basically rendered useless when the Covenant fleet appears below them.
Touché.

  • 01.02.2011 7:40 PM PDT