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Subject: Can We Decide on the Canonical Strength of the MJOLNIR Armor?

Does anyone have a secure reading on how strong the Armor actually is?

I am going to think of times it has been penetrated Cannonically to try and decide how strong it actually is.

First off times it has been clearly penetrated
Kat gets killed by a needle rifle when she has no shields
Black 2's helmet gets penetrated by a covenant carbine round (although she survives)

Those are the only times I can remember

Master chief gets penetrated by a flood spore in The Flood, but it makes note that the spore can't penetrate his armor, only the gel layer around his neck.

What I am curious about is...

Is there any proof that shows the MJOLNIR armor is bullet proof? I remember somethingin one of the books saying so but I can't remember what or where it was.
How much plasma damage can the shields take cannonically before they fall?
Can the armor plates on MJOLNIR withstand any plasma bolts at all?

  • 01.03.2011 11:49 AM PDT

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MkIV armour is 'dinged' by two close-range .50cal rounds to the chest plate from M6 series magnums, from Cole Protocol.

Shields took a 'smattering' of high-explosive armour piercing 50mm cannon rounds from a ground-attack aircraft which drained the shields to half. The shield charge metre flickers 'a hairbreadth' from a 3 round burst from an AR.
Linda was hit 3 or 4 times by plasma blasts in her unshielded armour, which melted the armour in multiple sections and fused it to her skin and bone.

[Edited on 01.03.2011 11:57 AM PST]

  • 01.03.2011 11:55 AM PDT

Hmm alright so that seems to be enough evidence to say that the chest plate is strong enough to withstand against high calibre bullets and is also strong enough to weaken the impact of plasma bolts while not completely stopping them.

Do you know if the pistol was an M6 series pistol?

I'll look for more examples when I have my book collection with me all I have right now is Blood Line.

  • 01.03.2011 12:07 PM PDT

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In GoO it says the rebels neded armar piercing rounds to kill a spartan

  • 01.03.2011 12:13 PM PDT

The rebels never killed any spartans, however so i don't know if I can take this quote at face value

  • 01.03.2011 12:16 PM PDT

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

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It's as a strong as the plot needs it to be.

  • 01.03.2011 12:19 PM PDT

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It also states that the 50mm cannon rounds would have punched clean through MC's old Mjolnir suit. I'm not sure about the strength differences of the Armour between the Mk. V and Mk. VI suits, but I know that the shield is a key feature.

  • 01.03.2011 12:21 PM PDT

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You have to remember that the MJOLNIR program produced several armour variants, Mk IV (Used up untill 2551) had no sheilds Mk V (Halo One) and Mk V:b (Halo Reach) Had Less sheild capacity and lover recharge rate than the Mk VI (halo 2 & Halo 3). Also most spartans had unique armor, For example Jorge-52's armor had a prototype sheilding system. Dr. Halsey was constently working on improvements for MJOLNIR so sheild and armor strength weren't consistant.

[Edited on 01.03.2011 1:49 PM PST]

  • 01.03.2011 1:48 PM PDT

the spartan 2's like MC and black team and blue team didn't have any armour mods so their armor would be the best to set the benchmark at.

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Halo Evolutions Volume 2:Blunt instruments Black 2 took a direct shot(I think) from a Hunter Assault cannon. Killed her shield and knocked her down..

Also.. Didn't Kat lose her arm from a banshee plasma bomb?(Can't remember what they call it in the books..)

[Edited on 01.03.2011 4:38 PM PST]

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Anyway, the strength of Mark VI shields is able to withstand a total force of over 3,100,000 N before failing

  • 01.03.2011 4:41 PM PDT

I'm more interested in the strength of the plates as that is what is more open to debate

  • 01.04.2011 8:47 AM PDT
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Let me put it this way, if you punched it it would hurt... A lot

OT: Its gotta be pretty strong considering all of the beatings that MC went through(at least with me controling him)

  • 01.04.2011 9:04 AM PDT

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I wondered the same thing.

Non-energy sheild armor's stranght in the halo universe seems off.

In contact harvest, it was said that bullets from the rebels rounds just "bounced" off of Johnson's heavy armor, and that was a good 15 years or more so before Mjonler IV was made.

Yet, in 2552, the standred marine's helmet is said to not protect agansit anything other than glancing blows, the same of their battledress.

Yet, in game, a marine with a helmet can take one magnum shot to the head, and go uharmed, but his helmet will fall off.

So, we have it that the marine helmet, which supposdly is not actually very combat ready, is better protecting than the mjonler helmet.

Riiight.

The covie's armor is even more spastic, with the grunt and jackal's armor seems to be negilgent as far as bullets go, brute have barely anything better.

Hunter's armor is canonically explained, it's super strong, hence why the use it on star ships, yet super heavy, explauining why other troops don't use it.

Of course, that doesn't explain why they leave huge blank sectio ns off it of thjough, but whatever.

Elte's armor seems to be like mjonler, in canon it's stated to be strong, yet in the books during combat and in game, it acts weak.

  • 01.04.2011 1:11 PM PDT

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low-mid cal. rounds bounced right off of the mkIV

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During The Fall of Reach it said something like "The chief watched as bullets bounced of his new armor" while we was getting it for the first time.

  • 01.04.2011 2:21 PM PDT

This has always had me confused as in the books i read the shields were always down fast and after that their armor and gel and stuff saved them a lot. But in the games it seems if your shields go down other than being fast ans super strong it was worthless. However halo reach fixed this a bit.

  • 01.04.2011 2:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jon Paul Jones
During The Fall of Reach it said something like "The chief watched as bullets bounced of his new armor" while we was getting it for the first time.


Yes in other places they do nothing at all.

They are very inconsit.

  • 01.05.2011 12:29 PM PDT

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In Cole Protocol, a Spartan (can't recall which) charged into a bar and took suppressive fire from a pistol and assault rifle.

Also, it withstood the force of zero-gravity fighting with the battle rifles rounds bouncing off. I can't recall it all, but that's some.

  • 01.05.2011 12:53 PM PDT

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In Cole Protocol, a Spartan (can't recall which) charged into a bar and took suppressive fire from a pistol and assault rifle.

Also, it withstood the force of zero-gravity fighting with the battle rifles rounds bouncing off. I can't recall it all, but that's some.
Jai charged into a bar, but was not fired at IIRC until well after he had left.
Adriana was hit by two .50cal rounds from M6-series pistols when boarding the Distancia, I referenced that near the start of the thread.

  • 01.05.2011 2:44 PM PDT

MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor is a technologically advanced combat exoskeleton system designed to vastly improve the strength, speed, agility, reflexes and durability of a SPARTAN-II or SPARTAN-III supersoldier. If a spartan did not have the armor they could die faster. For example Black 2 probably would of died with out the armor. But the armor was still penetrated. So it is not bullet proof. But the weapons are very powerful. The armor makes spartans more durable not bullet proof. The armor that Kat was wearing is built to withstand plasma rounds. So i don't think MJOLNIR armor is bullet proof. Yes it does say in the Fall of Reach "The chief watched as bullets bounced of his new armor" but those were UNSC bullets bouncing of his Armor. The ones that killed Kat were covenant needle rounds.

[Edited on 01.05.2011 6:57 PM PST]

  • 01.05.2011 6:45 PM PDT

Yeah I agree. But also in Ghosts Of Onyx didn't it say that spartan III's were equiped with SPI armor not MJOLNIR this is something that I wondered about in reach.

  • 01.06.2011 4:50 PM PDT

As one person mentioned above, the rebels did indeed need AP rounds capable of penetrating the armor of a tank to kill a Spartan, sooo....

I would say that the armor is durable enough to take most of whatever can be thrown at it, but not so much in the way of plasma technology, despite the whole "refractive coating" thing.

  • 01.06.2011 7:27 PM PDT