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Subject: If you've finished Cryptum like me, come here. (MAJOR SPOIL)

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Anyone else notice the many possible parallels between the Halo Universe and the Marathon Universe?

  • 01.04.2011 7:29 PM PDT

Wait, so when did the Flood arrive? If humanity discovered a way to destroy the Flood, then why didn't the Forerunners harvest this knowledge? Was this before, or after the Human-Forerunner War?

On the side. I have to say this:

Humanity: 2.
Flood: 0.

  • 01.04.2011 7:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rolling Flame
Wait, so when did the Flood arrive? If humanity discovered a way to destroy the Flood, then why didn't the Forerunners harvest this knowledge? Was this before, or after the Human-Forerunner War?

On the side. I have to say this:

Humanity: 2.
Flood: 0.


We hid it from them.

Understandable considering how pissed off at them we were for their genocide against us.

  • 01.04.2011 7:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: keeno 111
I don't get it, so it dosn't really tell you much about the backround of the human forunner war? although it's intresting stuff that's what i wanted to know about.


There's quite a bit in there about the Human-Forerunner war. You won't be disappointed.

  • 01.04.2011 7:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rolling Flame
Wait, so when did the Flood arrive? If humanity discovered a way to destroy the Flood, then why didn't the Forerunners harvest this knowledge? Was this before, or after the Human-Forerunner War?

On the side. I have to say this:

Humanity: 2.
Flood: 0.


We hid it from them.

Understandable considering how pissed off at them we were for their genocide against us.


Fair enough, but what was this about Mendicant shooting the Halos into the Forerunner capital? Someone mentioned it earlier in this thread. Did he mean activating the ring, or something else?

My head is in a bit of a spin at the moment.

  • 01.04.2011 7:55 PM PDT

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He activated 3 or 4 of them I think. Medicant could only control Five out of the Twelve and the Forerunner ships that were there destroyed a fair number of the ones that were there both in his control and out.

The book reveals that a halo can deliver a very localized pulse confined to one star system.

  • 01.04.2011 8:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Terminus
He activated 3 or 4 of them I think. Medicant could only control Five out of the Twelve and the Forerunner ships that were there destroyed a fair number of the ones that were there both in his control and out.

The book reveals that a halo can deliver a very localized pulse confined to one star system.


So, does that mean that there are, in fact, no original Halos; that they are all replacements? Out of interest, is there any mention of 343 Guilty Spark or Offensive Bias?

  • 01.04.2011 8:04 PM PDT

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I'm honestly not happy with the fact that there were Humans and other species near Forerunner intelligence back then. It ruins the Forerunner "mysticism" and just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I thought it was cooler knowing that the Forerunners who were so incredibly advanced had fought the Flood on their own and ultimately triumphed on their own.

The canon could have been so much better here, in my opinion. Why would the Forerunners war with the Humans and then crush them, ultimately devolving them, but still name them Reclaimers? That really just makes no sense, not logically, but simply because the Forerunners acted like the Human Race was an adopted child, not an ancient race reduced to rubble for going to war. I don't know, I still need to read the entire novel, but I honestly don't like the general summary at all.

I also hate how the Flood was also a dust used on pets that mutated and became what it does. That's just bad writing and a bad plot-twist. The Flood's origins should never have been tampered with, especially in this sense. This is probably one of the biggest things about this canon that makes me cringe. Who from which company pitched this idea in by the way?

Regardless, I'll probably still enjoy it. Halo books are always enjoyable to me, so besides the quirky canon, I'll definitely have to read this one.

  • 01.04.2011 8:09 PM PDT

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anyone know what stores have it right now?

  • 01.04.2011 8:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Snakie
All of my theories are trashed, trashed, trashy-trash-trashed, trashed, trashed, trashy-trash-trashed....

Well, there was my fun and there went my fun.
Ouch. I had hope for 'em in Cryptum.

  • 01.04.2011 8:25 PM PDT

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It mentions the monitors but never names any of them.

  • 01.04.2011 8:27 PM PDT

Sounds interesting. I will probably pick this up.

  • 01.04.2011 8:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkHalo003
Why would the Forerunners war with the Humans and then crush them, ultimately devolving them, but still name them Reclaimers?

A major part of the war was caused by the flood infecting the human occupied planets, in the the book, just after the humans used their "fight fire with fire" flood killing method, it says

By the time of this heroic struggle, humans were fighting Forerunners as well. Humans were desperate. Their desperation made them cruel. They needed new worlds, uninfected worlds-and took them. Cruelty and apparently irrational conquest and destruction forced Forerunners to act decisively.
This double war was the source of the Didact's shame, though how he would have altered his conduct, had he known, was far from clear.

  • 01.04.2011 10:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Rolling Flame
So, does that mean that there are, in fact, no original Halos; that they are all replacements? Out of interest, is there any mention of 343 Guilty Spark or Offensive Bias?


Only one installation made it through the portal to the Ark, well, in one peice any way.

  • 01.04.2011 11:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Justice One Duo
Sounds interesting. I will probably pick this up.


  • 01.05.2011 12:04 AM PDT

Valiant men have died here so we don't have to, so let's get the hell out.

It's a pretty good book, a bit hard to get into because of the Forerunner POV, but man do you get to dig in once it happens.

The weird thing is that this book comes in line with a lot of the less out there theories of the past.

A few spoilery predictions:

"The Captive" is, in my opinion, clearly the Gravemind (or at the very least the thing which becomes the Gravemind.)

I think Bornstellar, or NeoDidact, is the reason Humanity inherits the mantle and is called to be the Reclaimers of all the Forerunner left behind (Think his concern for his human friends and the Librarian's genetic meddling).

I also think Bear left open the possibilty that Guilty Spark's pronouncment that MC was Forerunner is not as Rampancy based as previously believed.

I think instead of lamenting the death of old theories we should rejoice in the continuing progress of hypothesis. There is a lot in the old theories which can be retained and tweaked for the future and I look forward to the next two books. I'm interested in seeing if my suspicions are correct.

  • 01.05.2011 12:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Joeaxamus
It's a pretty good book, a bit hard to get into because of the Forerunner POV, but man do you get to dig in once it happens.

The weird thing is that this book comes in line with a lot of the less out there theories of the past.

A few spoilery predictions:

"The Captive" is, in my opinion, clearly the Gravemind (or at the very least the thing which becomes the Gravemind.)

I think Bornstellar, or NeoDidact, is the reason Humanity inherits the mantle and is called to be the Reclaimers of all the Forerunner left behind (Think his concern for his human friends and the Librarian's genetic meddling).

I also think Bear left open the possibilty that Guilty Spark's pronouncment that MC was Forerunner is not as Rampancy based as previously believed.

I think instead of lamenting the death of old theories we should rejoice in the continuing progress of hypothesis. There is a lot in the old theories which can be retained and tweaked for the future and I look forward to the next two books. I'm interested in seeing if my suspicions are correct.
A very good overall assessment. I just have to disagree with the assumed premise that the captive is what later becomes the Gravemind. From what the books reveal, the captive had the appearance of a sea scorpion and, while larger than a human, certainly does not have enough mass to be the Gravemind (going by how it was presented in Halo 2 - a massive venus-flytrap like creature with lots of tendrils.) However, we cannot go simply on appearances alone. It is stated numerous times throughout the series that the Flood must attain a certain mass of bio material in order to construct a Gravemind (in fact many believe Keyes was a proto-gravemind in Halo 1). Having a being simply "be" the Gravemind doesn't make much sense.

That being said, it is more then possible that the captive is absorbed by the Flood and his knowledge used to wage war against the Forerunner. It is also heavily implied that the Precursor (or at least the captive) know of the Flood as the captive seems to claim it to be "their answer" to the destruction of their species caused by the Forerunner.

  • 01.05.2011 12:55 AM PDT

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OH god, this sounds so awesome!

This triologie about the forerunner will be awesome!.

NEED THIS ****ING BOOK WAAAAA.


:)

  • 01.05.2011 2:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
That's a little melodramatic, Snakie. I have a 337 page fan fiction completed which has many elements rendered impossible by this, but I'm not getting upset.

A tad melodramatic, perhaps, but can you blame me? For four years I've been one of the best-known theorists on the site--forgive my honesty in my old age, even if it is part arrogance--and now, my principals are preventing me from buying any new content so I can stay that way.


Well, you know, Snakie, it's a bit like science.

My biology teacher once told me about a man he knew from university who had spent decades working on a theory (the specifics escape me now.) For all those years he worked tirelessly to gather proof and evidence supporting his theory.

Then one day another scientist came over and proved his life's work completely wrong. Instead of being resentful and upset, the scientist who now had a destroyed theory took the other man's hand, shook and thanked him for correcting him.

I thought that tale was very inspiring. And I try to live by it too, in a way. We're all going to waste time on things that eventually are proven pointless or incorrect at some point in our lives, but we should see it not as us being proven wrong, but as our knowledge regarding the truth being expanded.

I'd much rather be proven wrong so I can learn the truth than cling to a falsity.

  • 01.05.2011 5:57 AM PDT

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A little bit, I also felt like the Halo old Halo Canon had parallels between Marathon.
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Anyone else notice the many possible parallels between the Halo Universe and the Marathon Universe?

  • 01.05.2011 6:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Well, you know, Snakie, it's a bit like science.

My biology teacher once told me about a man he knew from university who had spent decades working on a theory (the specifics escape me now.) For all those years he worked tirelessly to gather proof and evidence supporting his theory.

Then one day another scientist came over and proved his life's work completely wrong. Instead of being resentful and upset, the scientist who now had a destroyed theory took the other man's hand, shook and thanked him for correcting him.

I thought that tale was very inspiring. And I try to live by it too, in a way. We're all going to waste time on things that eventually are proven pointless or incorrect at some point in our lives, but we should see it not as us being proven wrong, but as our knowledge regarding the truth being expanded.

I'd much rather be proven wrong so I can learn the truth than cling to a falsity.

You... you don't seem to understand that me being proven wrong isn't the problem?

I've been proven wrong countless times before. While I don't like it, it doesn't bother me. When I learn more about things, I'm as thankful as that guy whose theory was disproven. But I have principals as far as game development is concerned, and that is what prevents me from being willing to purchase these things, not me being proven wrong. They don't care about the story, and I won't continue to be involved in it until they disappoint me so terribly that I get more annoyed than I am already.

  • 01.05.2011 7:15 AM PDT

Did Microsoft ever care about the story?

Yet you bought the Bungie games for years because Bungie cared, even though Microsoft was the publisher.

I'm sure Greg Bear also cares about the story. So what if 343 are the instigators of it?

  • 01.05.2011 7:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Did Microsoft ever care about the story?

Yet you bought the Bungie games for years because Bungie cared, even though Microsoft was the publisher.

I'm sure Greg Bear also cares about the story. So what if 343 are the instigators of it?

This is a good point, but I've thought this through. Bear was likely contracted by 343i to do the story, and potentially had no real interest in it beforehand. Perhaps has no real interest in it now--maybe he's just throwing things together that sound cool and fit with the lore, I dunno. I don't know the guy personally and I'm not going to make assumptions about him.

But I haven't bought any 343i material since Legends. So what if I buy Cryptum? It's just going to be that I fund 343 a little longer and stay on top of the lore for a little while more until 343i's work starts up again and I'm forced to ignore it. Sticking by my principals, I'd wind up knowing half the new lore and being totally separated from half of it.

Best to just leave it as a clean cut.

  • 01.05.2011 7:32 AM PDT