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I tell you, we're here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different.
Everyone is arguing about whether "the Captive" is or is not "the Gravemind". I feel a few key points have been left out.
*note: these are direct quotes from Cryptum
"We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago.
I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthelessly destroyed.
I am the last Precursor.
And our answer is at hand.
I feel like everyone's getting hung up on the point of whether the Captive is really a Precursor or not, not the last line. Obviously, He is speaking for the Precursors, if not actually a Precursor.
Something manufactured by humans... pushing through Precursor technology. How was that possible...?
Was this actually a Precursor, as the humans had at first believed? Or was it something manufactured by Precursors--possibly a strange, distorted sibling to both Forerunners and (the Didact was reluctant to consider this) humans?
Looking down into the deactivated human timelock, and beyond that secondary cage, tuning the Precursor tool, so small and simple--merely a smooth oval with three notches on its side...."The humans found a way to active at least one Precursor artifact," I said.
I include these quotes for a few reasons. First off, whether the Captive is actually a Precursor or not, he was unarguably put there BY the Precursors, and given a means to communicate with others at a later point, by the Precursors.
That means that, Precursor or not, he was left to leave at the very least a message to those left behind. The message being that the Flood is implied as the Precursor's revenge for their creation's betrayal.
Now that we've established the Captive was at the very least deliberately left behind by the Precursors, and the Flood is their creation, the fact that the Captive, once free, would eventually assume leadership of the flood, makes complete sense.
More sophisticated, more devious. More vital. And soon to acquire a new Master, if we did not act quickly--if we did not locate the lost installation and the former captive
This, I feel, proves the Captive is the Gravemind, without even using the huge amounts of evidence from the Terminals, or evidence from Cryptum that collaborates with them.
just a side note, did anyone else notice the "subtitle" under the Bungie Universe forum title makes more sense now because of the whole "geas" concept?
[Edited on 01.06.2011 3:45 PM PST]