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Poll: Thel and Rtas vs Six and Emile  [closed]
Thel and Rtas:  66%
(77 Votes)
Six and Emile:  28%
(33 Votes)
Draw:  6%
(7 Votes)
Total Votes: 117

So who will win?

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  • 01.07.2011 7:53 AM PDT

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  • 01.07.2011 8:03 AM PDT
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Takes at least 7 Elites to kill Six alone in a gun fight. Pretty sure he can deal with 2 Elites with a Spartan back up.

  • 01.07.2011 8:05 AM PDT

Keep in mind that Thel is former Supreme Commander of a major Covenant fleet turned legendary Arbiter, and Rtas was the commander of the Special Operations Elites and later the second in charge of the Separatists.
Not the regular Elites, in other words.

  • 01.07.2011 8:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: manwith
Takes at least 7 Elites to kill Six alone in a gun fight. Pretty sure he can deal with 2 Elites with a Spartan back up.


Those 7 elites were stupid,they fired and didn't tried to dodge or take cover.

Thel and Rtas won't fail

  • 01.07.2011 8:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: manwith
Takes at least 7 Elites to kill Six alone in a gun fight. Pretty sure he can deal with 2 Elites with a Spartan back up.


Those 7 elites were stupid,they fired and didn't tried to dodge or take cover.

Thel and Rtas won't fail


Six killed 3 Elite field marshalls single handedly which are the highest ranked Elite warriors. Doubt the Arbiter is that much better Elite than an Elite general/zealot/marshall in combat.

  • 01.07.2011 8:20 AM PDT

I reckon the Elite duo would win, but then it depends on location, equipment and stuff. Hand to hand, no knives, Elites.

  • 01.07.2011 8:21 AM PDT

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Two of the best elites or two Spartan 3s which both are inferior to Spartan 2s.

  • 01.07.2011 8:29 AM PDT

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Depends on the situation, weapons, location etc.

This is like asking John Vs Fred almost; equal and therefore could go either way.

The thing about Rtas and Thel is that they are cool headed and methodical; Rtas seems quite intuitive, so they are not average Joe Elites.

  • 01.07.2011 8:38 AM PDT

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Thel doesn't need Rtas to win.

  • 01.07.2011 9:02 AM PDT

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Six and Emile are very strong.... but I'd go with the Elite pair. It really depends on what they are wielding, the setting etc.

  • 01.07.2011 9:38 AM PDT
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Spartan's and Elite's are roughly physically equal, however Spartan's are much better trained. They are put into the best training course in the world at a very young age, and are trained to become thinking killers, a very deadly combination. Even without superhuman augmentations, Spartan's would be extremely dangerous.

Our combatants:

1. Noble 6: One of the better Spartan-III's. Has been shown as being capable of taking on multiple Field Marshall, Zealot, General, and Ultra class Elites in hand to hand combat.

2. Emile: Not at Noble 6's level, but is still one of the better Spartan-III's.

3. Thel: According to evidence and feats, Thel is the most skilled Elite in the entire Covenant. He was a Zealot before being "promoted" to Arbiter, and after his "Promotion", he showed incredible feats such as taking out the Heretics almost single handedly, killing their leader, etc...This puts him equal to a Spartan-III, and is possibly the only Sangheili who can match a Spartan in 1v1 combat.

4. Rtas: Special Operations Commander. This puts him slightly under a Zealot in terms of skill and experience.

Scenario 1: The Elite's both have swords, and the Spartan's are unarmed, maybe carrying combat knives/Kukri's:

A Spartan-III (and II's) training in hand to hand combat allows him to easily take on Sword wielding Elites by utilizing ducks, dodges, blocks, grapples, throws, and counter's taught in many human martial arts forms. They could just duck under a sword swing, then land a right hook taking out the Elite's shields, and a left hook which cracks the Elites skull.

Now lets say that Noble 6 takes on Thel. As mentioned above, Thel is the most skilled Elite, and can match a Spartan in 1v1 combat. This would mean that a sword wielding Thel would have a draw against an unarmed Noble 6, with Thel finding that Noble 6 is too fast and skilled to be able to land a solid sword swing, and Noble 6 realizing that Thel is also too skilled for him to succesfully counter attack and land a solid bone breaking punch or kick.

While Thel and 6 are fighting, Emile would take on Rtas. Now, in Ghosts of Onyx, a 12 year old Spartan-III in crappy SPI Armor, the type thats bulky, slow, has no shields, and does not make the user twice as strong and five times as fast, is shown to be easily able to take on a sword wielding Spec-Ops Elite in hand to hand combat. If a child Spartan-III in SPI Armor can easily take on an experienced Spec-Ops Elite in "hand to sword" combat, than a fully grown, slightly above average Spartan-III in MJOLNIR (Such as Emile), would be easily capable of taking on a sword wielding Zealot with his bare hands, and Rtas's rank and skills are roughly equal to that of a Zealot. Emile would kill Rtas, most likely with a punch or a kick, than go and assist Noble 6, who is still duking it out with the Arbiter. The two Spartan's would then stomp Thel.

Scenario 2: All 4 combatants have swords. Now, contarary to popular beleif, the Spartan's would not win any quicker if they had swords, because Elites are more skilled swordsman than Spartan's are, which means that the two Spartan's would have their swords disarmed in a matter of seconds. Then, we would be reverted back to scenario 1, in which the Spartan's are unarmed, and the Elites have swords. The Spartan's win, but not any quicker than in scenario 1.

Scenario 3: All 4 combatants are armed with the approapriate weapons. Thel has a Sword and a Carbine, Rtas has a Sword and dual Plasma Rifles, Noble 6 has an Assault Rifle and a Pistol, and Emile has a Shotgun and a Pistol. Spartan's are much more skilled in the use of firearms than Elites, mainly due to the fact that an Elites training focuses on the spiritual and honorable practices, while a Human Spartan's training is more focused on the tactical and practical aspects, which is also why Spartan's are more skilled in hand to hand combat as well.

I don't see anyway the Elite's would win in any scenario.

  • 01.07.2011 12:13 PM PDT
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Glad someone understands. An elite (any kind) would have to be incredibly lucky successfully killing a Spartan on 1v1 without costing his own life.

  • 01.07.2011 12:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Grizzwizz
I reckon the Elite duo would win, but then it depends on location, equipment and stuff. Hand to hand, no knives, Elites.


Typically this. I like all four, so...

  • 01.07.2011 1:06 PM PDT


Posted by: manwith
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: manwith
Takes at least 7 Elites to kill Six alone in a gun fight. Pretty sure he can deal with 2 Elites with a Spartan back up.


Those 7 elites were stupid,they fired and didn't tried to dodge or take cover.

Thel and Rtas won't fail


Six killed 3 Elite field marshalls single handedly which are the highest ranked Elite warriors. Doubt the Arbiter is that much better Elite than an Elite general/zealot/marshall in combat.


Ummm, Six only killed one field marshal. Also the Arbitor can take down a Scarab, Six can't.

  • 01.07.2011 1:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: manwith
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: manwith
Takes at least 7 Elites to kill Six alone in a gun fight. Pretty sure he can deal with 2 Elites with a Spartan back up.


Those 7 elites were stupid,they fired and didn't tried to dodge or take cover.

Thel and Rtas won't fail


Six killed 3 Elite field marshalls single handedly which are the highest ranked Elite warriors. Doubt the Arbiter is that much better Elite than an Elite general/zealot/marshall in combat.


Ummm, Six only killed one field marshal. Also the Arbitor can take down a Scarab, Six can't.


When did Thel the Arbiter take down a scarab? Also, how do you know six can't take down a Scarab if he was never ordered to do so?

And besides, taking down a Scarab is completely irrelevant to who wins in a 1v1 fight. I suggest you read my long post if you get the chance to do so, as it explains everything using facts and evidence.

  • 01.07.2011 1:42 PM PDT

Spartan 3s which both are inferior to Spartan 2s.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Emile and Six are genetically equal to the S2's, along with every other Alpha & Beta extract from the suicide pushes. With identical Mjolnir armor.

So, your wrong. According to Kurt, Mendez, and Bungie. But hey, what do they know.

[Edited on 01.07.2011 1:58 PM PST]

  • 01.07.2011 1:45 PM PDT

@ Jonzx5

I didn't think I'd need evidence because it's pretty close to common knowledge.

The Arbitor can take out a Scarab in Halo 3, and if you do manage to get onto a Scarab in Reach it's impossible to kill it. Of course I now realise that this is gameplay and some Halo fans get butt hurt over that and I appoligise.

[Edited on 01.07.2011 1:53 PM PST]

  • 01.07.2011 1:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
@ Jonzx5

I didn't think I'd need evidence because it's pretty close to common knowledge.

The Arbitor can take out a Scarab in Halo 3, and if you do manage to get onto a Scarab in Reach it's impossible to kill it. Of course I now realise that this is gameplay and some Halo fans get butt hurt over that and I appoligise.


Who said Six hasn't and can't take down a scarab? It's probably one of the easiest things to do when you have entire UNSC + Covenant separatist fleet assisting you.

Assuming you were being serious, although you probably weren't.

[Edited on 01.07.2011 2:28 PM PST]

  • 01.07.2011 2:15 PM PDT

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Thel and Rtas are two of the biggest badasses in the game if it was them vs the cheif ok draw but only if it was one at a time. but you take six and emile and have them go up against em theyll get there asses kicked.

  • 01.07.2011 2:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: forthnback
Spartan 3s which both are inferior to Spartan 2s.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Emile and Six are genetically equal to the S2's, along with every other Alpha & Beta extract from the suicide pushes. With identical Mjolnir armor.

So, your wrong. According to Kurt, Mendez, and Bungie. But hey, what do they know.


Incorrect. S-IIIs are genetically inferior to S-IIs and noticeably smaller. Their only advantage is their beserker augmentation that allow them to continue fighting even when badly injured, that we see Six use it at the end of his/her life.

  • 01.07.2011 2:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jonzx5
Spartan's and Elite's are roughly physically equal, however Spartan's are much better trained. They are put into the best training course in the world at a very young age, and are trained to become thinking killers, a very deadly combination. Even without superhuman augmentations, Spartan's would be extremely dangerous.

Our combatants:

1. Noble 6: One of the better Spartan-III's. Has been shown as being capable of taking on multiple Field Marshall, Zealot, General, and Ultra class Elites in hand to hand combat.

2. Emile: Not at Noble 6's level, but is still one of the better Spartan-III's.

3. Thel: According to evidence and feats, Thel is the most skilled Elite in the entire Covenant. He was a Zealot before being "promoted" to Arbiter, and after his "Promotion", he showed incredible feats such as taking out the Heretics almost single handedly, killing their leader, etc...This puts him equal to a Spartan-III, and is possibly the only Sangheili who can match a Spartan in 1v1 combat.

4. Rtas: Special Operations Commander. This puts him slightly under a Zealot in terms of skill and experience.

Scenario 1: The Elite's both have swords, and the Spartan's are unarmed, maybe carrying combat knives/Kukri's:

A Spartan-III (and II's) training in hand to hand combat allows him to easily take on Sword wielding Elites by utilizing ducks, dodges, blocks, grapples, throws, and counter's taught in many human martial arts forms. They could just duck under a sword swing, then land a right hook taking out the Elite's shields, and a left hook which cracks the Elites skull.

Now lets say that Noble 6 takes on Thel. As mentioned above, Thel is the most skilled Elite, and can match a Spartan in 1v1 combat. This would mean that a sword wielding Thel would have a draw against an unarmed Noble 6, with Thel finding that Noble 6 is too fast and skilled to be able to land a solid sword swing, and Noble 6 realizing that Thel is also too skilled for him to succesfully counter attack and land a solid bone breaking punch or kick.

While Thel and 6 are fighting, Emile would take on Rtas. Now, in Ghosts of Onyx, a 12 year old Spartan-III in crappy SPI Armor, the type thats bulky, slow, has no shields, and does not make the user twice as strong and five times as fast, is shown to be easily able to take on a sword wielding Spec-Ops Elite in hand to hand combat. If a child Spartan-III in SPI Armor can easily take on an experienced Spec-Ops Elite in "hand to sword" combat, than a fully grown, slightly above average Spartan-III in MJOLNIR (Such as Emile), would be easily capable of taking on a sword wielding Zealot with his bare hands, and Rtas's rank and skills are roughly equal to that of a Zealot. Emile would kill Rtas, most likely with a punch or a kick, than go and assist Noble 6, who is still duking it out with the Arbiter. The two Spartan's would then stomp Thel.

Scenario 2: All 4 combatants have swords. Now, contarary to popular beleif, the Spartan's would not win any quicker if they had swords, because Elites are more skilled swordsman than Spartan's are, which means that the two Spartan's would have their swords disarmed in a matter of seconds. Then, we would be reverted back to scenario 1, in which the Spartan's are unarmed, and the Elites have swords. The Spartan's win, but not any quicker than in scenario 1.

Scenario 3: All 4 combatants are armed with the approapriate weapons. Thel has a Sword and a Carbine, Rtas has a Sword and dual Plasma Rifles, Noble 6 has an Assault Rifle and a Pistol, and Emile has a Shotgun and a Pistol. Spartan's are much more skilled in the use of firearms than Elites, mainly due to the fact that an Elites training focuses on the spiritual and honorable practices, while a Human Spartan's training is more focused on the tactical and practical aspects, which is also why Spartan's are more skilled in hand to hand combat as well.

I don't see anyway the Elite's would win in any scenario.


elites would be more similar to a spartan 2 not a 3 so in your first scenario your replacing the spartan 3s with John and lets say Sam (even though hed be dead @ the time) then you would have a draw incase you havnt noticed when you play h2 Rtas is invincible just like sgt. Johnson XD. If you could literaly take the characters out of the appropriate games and have them vs each other elites would definatly win.

[Edited on 01.07.2011 2:32 PM PST]

  • 01.07.2011 2:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: forthnback
Spartan 3s which both are inferior to Spartan 2s.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Emile and Six are genetically equal to the S2's, along with every other Alpha & Beta extract from the suicide pushes. With identical Mjolnir armor.

So, your wrong. According to Kurt, Mendez, and Bungie. But hey, what do they know.


Incorrect. S-IIIs are genetically inferior to S-IIs and noticeably smaller. Their only advantage is their beserker augmentation that allow them to continue fighting even when badly injured, that we see Six use it at the end of his/her life.


What you call the "beserker" augmentation wasn't introduced to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM until Gamma Company came about, Sic is from Beta Company.

  • 01.07.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: forthnback
Spartan 3s which both are inferior to Spartan 2s.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Emile and Six are genetically equal to the S2's, along with every other Alpha & Beta extract from the suicide pushes. With identical Mjolnir armor.

So, your wrong. According to Kurt, Mendez, and Bungie. But hey, what do they know.


Incorrect. S-IIIs are genetically inferior to S-IIs and noticeably smaller. Their only advantage is their beserker augmentation that allow them to continue fighting even when badly injured, that we see Six use it at the end of his/her life.


What you call the "beserker" augmentation wasn't introduced to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM until Gamma Company came about, Sic is from Beta Company.


Oh you're right, sucks for Alpha and Beta. I always assumed Six was using this augmentation at the end of the game after withstanding such a pasting from that Plasma Rifle. Now that scene seems a bit ridiculous.

I call it "beserker" because I can never remember "Neural-altering non-carcinogenic mutage" off the top of my head.

  • 01.07.2011 2:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: forthnback
Spartan 3s which both are inferior to Spartan 2s.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Emile and Six are genetically equal to the S2's, along with every other Alpha & Beta extract from the suicide pushes. With identical Mjolnir armor.

So, your wrong. According to Kurt, Mendez, and Bungie. But hey, what do they know.


Incorrect. S-IIIs are genetically inferior to S-IIs and noticeably smaller. Their only advantage is their beserker augmentation that allow them to continue fighting even when badly injured, that we see Six use it at the end of his/her life.


What you call the "beserker" augmentation wasn't introduced to Project CHRYSANTHEMUM until Gamma Company came about, Sic is from Beta Company.


Oh you're right, sucks for Alpha and Beta. I always assumed Six was using this augmentation at the end of the game after withstanding such a pasting from that Plasma Rifle. Now that scene seems a bit ridiculous.

I call it "beserker" because I can never remember "Neural-altering non-carcinogenic mutage" off the top of my head.


I get what you mean, there's no way Six should have still been able to fight back for so long whilst on his last bar of health with dozens of plasma bolts impacting on his torso and face.

I kept thinking of the Beserker from GoW when you said that. ;)

  • 01.07.2011 2:51 PM PDT

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